What should have happened this week

JJpool said:
That doesn't make it right, this is football not hedge fund management.

A well meaning statement can go a long way.

SS is admired by many, he is the owner and leader. If he puts of an inspiring message, talking from the heart, people listen and it affects them. Yes some might pick at bits said but that will always happen. It helps people connect to him and also it does no harm to remind people of some realities of running a club.

Fans are easily led or easily misled, say nothing and fans end up filling the void often with negative stuff.

I still think they'll come out with something when they feel it's right, but for me when ST go on sale some basic communication can only help.
Click to expand...
Of course it's not right in my mind or in the minds of many others but it quite simply it doesn't appear to be in the mind of Sadler to communicate.
Don't ask me why, don't ask me to explain it, it appears that's just the way he operates.
 
Do other clubs release statements as often as some are calling for (every other week (every day by a certain someone))? Or because they were relegated? I'm not sure...
 
alginate said:
Morecambe published this lengthy statement.

Stop making excuses. We’re not demanding weekly updates, but the club can’t even manage the bare minimum.
Click to expand...
Bit different again. They're totally financially in the shit, up for sale, and making a loss.

All that's happened is we've been relegated...

Also, that's 2 clubs that have released statements following the seasons close.

2 out of 60. Not including clubs involved in the playoffs.
 
SwannDangerous said:
Do other clubs release statements as often as some are calling for (every other week (every day by a certain someone))? Or because they were relegated? I'm not sure...
Click to expand...
I think most clubs would address the situation where there's no manager, board, recruitment bloke or director of football and they've been relegated and 13 of the squad from the previous season have left...

The last wider communication with the fanbase (excluding a closed doors minuted meeting) was in the opening days of the last season.

It's not about Phil this.

It's about the club filling the void and providing a little bit of insight into what is going on.

It's not asking for 'wow' signings or £50 season tickets - it's just a bit of communication.

I don't think it's particularly unreasonable.
It costs the club nothing in cash and very little in time. There's no downside.

All we need is...

Cheers for the support. Mistakes were made but football is hard and it's all learning. Let's stick together... We're on with it. Determined to get back. Attacking football. Etc. Love and hugs... Tangerine army etc etc. Si. x

Everyone calms the fuck down .

With silence, everyone is gossiping, speculating. The previous season and the rancour drags on and on. The whole deal with Sadler was 'we're on a journey together' - he's driving the bus atm. On his own. Where are we going?

I find it really odd that you wouldn't put something out that draws a line under what was and invites people to think about what will come.
 
td53 said:
I think most clubs would address the situation where there's no manager, board, recruitment bloke or director of football and they've been relegated and 13 of the squad from the previous season have left...

The last wider communication with the fanbase (excluding a closed doors minuted meeting) was in the opening days of the last season.

It's not about Phil this.

It's about the club filling the void and providing a little bit of insight into what is going on.

It's not asking for 'wow' signings or £50 season tickets - it's just a bit of communication.

I don't think it's particularly unreasonable.
It costs the club nothing in cash and very little in time. There's no downside.

All we need is...

Cheers for the support. Mistakes were made but football is hard and it's all learning. Let's stick together... We're on with it. Determined to get back. Attacking football. Etc. Love and hugs... Tangerine army etc etc. Si. x

Everyone calms the fuck down .

With silence, everyone is gossiping, speculating. The previous season and the rancour drags on and on. The whole deal with Sadler was 'we're on a journey together' - he's driving the bus atm. On his own. Where are we going?

I find it really odd that you wouldn't put something out that draws a line under what was and invites people to think about what will come.
Click to expand...
I suppose i can see your point when you put it like that.

But I'm not losing any hair over it.

We know what's happening really don't we? He's looking for a new manager, new board, new sporting director, and then they're going to put a team together. Or try to. And then try and play some football.

My point a bit here as well is that the seasons only 10 days over. Its not actually even fully over yet. A statement may well be released at some point, I hope it does, but there's loads of time for it to come yet. And he might be waiting for a bit more good news before he releases anything.

"Hello folks, yep we're still int shit, no manager, no sporting director, and it's just me on the board. But chin up blokes, it'll all come roses, promise! Just like last year! 🤪"
 
I agree SS oils of scored some easy points with a decent press release.
Instead he’s just released ST that are too dear.
Supply and Demand.
How many empty seats will we have each week at home? Thousands. That means too much supply for the demand. So we are too dear and that’s a fact.
Saddlers missed a chance again imo.
 
td53 said:
I think most clubs would address the situation where there's no manager, board, recruitment bloke or director of football and they've been relegated and 13 of the squad from the previous season have left...

The last wider communication with the fanbase (excluding a closed doors minuted meeting) was in the opening days of the last season.

It's not about Phil this.

It's about the club filling the void and providing a little bit of insight into what is going on.

It's not asking for 'wow' signings or £50 season tickets - it's just a bit of communication.

I don't think it's particularly unreasonable.
It costs the club nothing in cash and very little in time. There's no downside.

All we need is...

Cheers for the support. Mistakes were made but football is hard and it's all learning. Let's stick together... We're on with it. Determined to get back. Attacking football. Etc. Love and hugs... Tangerine army etc etc. Si. x

Everyone calms the fuck down .

With silence, everyone is gossiping, speculating. The previous season and the rancour drags on and on. The whole deal with Sadler was 'we're on a journey together' - he's driving the bus atm. On his own. Where are we going?

I find it really odd that you wouldn't put something out that draws a line under what was and invites people to think about what will come.
Click to expand...
Thanks for the support

I honestly can't believe people can disagree with what I posted in the OP

Play the ball not the man eh?
 
td53 said:
I think most clubs would address the situation where there's no manager, board, recruitment bloke or director of football and they've been relegated and 13 of the squad from the previous season have left...

The last wider communication with the fanbase (excluding a closed doors minuted meeting) was in the opening days of the last season.

It's not about Phil this.

It's about the club filling the void and providing a little bit of insight into what is going on.

It's not asking for 'wow' signings or £50 season tickets - it's just a bit of communication.

I don't think it's particularly unreasonable.
It costs the club nothing in cash and very little in time. There's no downside.

All we need is...

Cheers for the support. Mistakes were made but football is hard and it's all learning. Let's stick together... We're on with it. Determined to get back. Attacking football. Etc. Love and hugs... Tangerine army etc etc. Si. x

Everyone calms the fuck down .

With silence, everyone is gossiping, speculating. The previous season and the rancour drags on and on. The whole deal with Sadler was 'we're on a journey together' - he's driving the bus atm. On his own. Where are we going?

I find it really odd that you wouldn't put something out that draws a line under what was and invites people to think about what will come.
Click to expand...
I think those are fair comments to some extent.

Personally I’m quite happy to only have announcements when there’s something to announce, but can see a business case for something a bit woolier delivered with a “whoop whoop” and some American style enthusiasm.

Of course we also know that if Sadler delivered a statement that didn’t say very much, the same people calling for a statement would dismiss it as being full of platitudes which adds nothing. And then we’d probably get “I only want to hear from the club when a manager’s been appointed and when they know which players are coming here”.

Let’s face it. Sadler can’t win with some fans no matter what he does.
 
Pretty much aligned to what Mex says.

I am not interested in statements filled with obvious cliches but believe me I've sent some in my time. Because when you are trying to manage the expectations of a large and diverse group there will always be a number who like to hear them anyway. Statements achieve nothing themselves but they do shut down some noise.

I personally don't care if SS does touchy feely or not, i just watch and wait to see what actually gets done, but the sad fact is the owner of a football club has to do the PR thing. It's why if SS doesn't/can't do it he definitely needs a day to day person running the club who can.
 
I can only say what I would have done & as a pretty transparent person as soon as the season was over I would have put out a statement of intent. All that said there’s a few things I wouldn’t have done & appointing Appleton would have been the first the other being owning a football club (money pit)
However whilst interested in the new manager appointment I’m not going to lose any sleep whilst waiting for the smoke to turn white.
 
I agree with Phil, a statement before season tickets were released or the day after the season finished would have gone a long way to ease fan concerns going into this Summer.

A simple, "We fucked up this season, we are going to do everything in our power to fix it, we will be back stronger next season," would have been really nice.

People forget that Sadler used to make long statement like the one below every New Year and at the end of the season with updates about his stewardship.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1403968132159610881

I don't think it's a lot to ask and would be very helpful, but ultimately I get why he wouldn't and I don't think it's a major issue to me, things have turned very toxic this season and I can see why he would rather spend his time trying to get things in order than engage with the fans before he has good news to tell us.

Last Summer he had Mansford release a statement on TTV about our plans and then got dogs abuse for it (this is around the time people started calling him Bullshit Ben) so I understand why he wouldn't want to do that again.

Ultimately actions speak louder than words...
 
Insider said:
Of course it's not right in my mind or in the minds of many others but it quite simply it doesn't appear to be in the mind of Sadler to communicate.
Don't ask me why, don't ask me to explain it, it appears that's just the way he operates.
Click to expand...
I agree. Which leads to the obvious conclusion, namely that he doesn't understand the stakeholders interest (I've stopped short).

I'm with @Hevster in that I don't want statements every week and I'll be honest if it wasn't for the interview with Sky Sports at the po final I wouldn't have a clue what Mansford sounded like as 99.9% of these are pure bull. Never listened since.

However, this is about where the Club is heading, what the owner's thoughts and ambitions are and a bit to do with fans buying into the next phase. It's so basic, it's untrue.

I'm not doing it but if there was a poll asking should SS make a statement on the current and short to medium term prospects of the FC, I bet it would be 80/20 in favour. Just a simple yes or no.
 
fcblackpool said:
I agree. Which leads to the obvious conclusion, namely that he doesn't understand the stakeholders interest (I've stopped short).

I'm with @Hevster in that I don't want statements every week and I'll be honest if it wasn't for the interview with Sky Sports at the po final I wouldn't have a clue what Mansford sounded like as 99.9% of these are pure bull. Never listened since.

However, this is about where the Club is heading, what the owner's thoughts and ambitions are and a bit to do with fans buying into the next phase. It's so basic, it's untrue.

I'm not doing it but if there was a poll asking should SS make a statement on the current and short to medium term prospects of the FC, I bet it would be 80/20 in favour. Just a simple yes or no.
Click to expand...
I more or less asked that question via the @SLO_BFC at the last SD meeting with a promise that all questions would be answered.
I'm still waiting.
 
It’s only Bullshît if you say and promise things you don’t deliver.
At the moment all we’ve got is silence and very little evidence of actual progress.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I think those are fair comments to some extent.

Personally I’m quite happy to only have announcements when there’s something to announce, but can see a business case for something a bit woolier delivered with a “whoop whoop” and some American style enthusiasm.

Of course we also know that if Sadler delivered a statement that didn’t say very much, the same people calling for a statement would dismiss it as being full of platitudes which adds nothing. And then we’d probably get “I only want to hear from the club when a manager’s been appointed and when they know which players are coming here”.

Let’s face it. Sadler can’t win with some fans no matter what he does.
Click to expand...


Mex

I'm not so sure that Sadler/the club should stop issuing formal statements because some supporters might be critical of such statements ?

As a successful businessman, I'm sure he is capable of ensuring that his organisations communicate effectively with customers and that he has faced - and conquered - far bigger challenges.
 
tangerine_neil said:
It’s only Bullshît if you say and promise things you don’t deliver.
At the moment all we’ve got is silence and very little evidence of actual progress.
Click to expand...

Neil

What you are saying is bullsh1t.

It comes from the Karl Oyston book of management, "I don't plan anything and I never set targets as it gives supporters a stick to beat me with".

Fans Forum:

Supporters: "So, where do you see the club in x years Karl"

Karl: "Solvent".
 
This issue is maybe a little wider than comms. It feels like there is suddenly no engagement or more pertinently no attempt to get the fans engaged and back on side. SS was good at this as demoed above with his post play off final interview but not any more and that has to be an area for improvement.
 
Hevster said:
Pretty much aligned to what Mex says.

I am not interested in statements filled with obvious cliches but believe me I've sent some in my time. Because when you are trying to manage the expectations of a large and diverse group there will always be a number who like to hear them anyway. Statements achieve nothing themselves but they do shut down some noise.

I personally don't care if SS does touchy feely or not, i just watch and wait to see what actually gets done, but the sad fact is the owner of a football club has to do the PR thing. It's why if SS doesn't/can't do it he definitely needs a day to day person running the club who can.
Click to expand...

Hevster

I'm like both Mex and yourself in that I'm not particularly interested in any formal statement but I can't believe that he hasn't made such a statement.

How shallow are we if we are of the opinion that Sadler/the club shouldn't make any formal statement just because we are not interested personally ?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Thanks for the support

I honestly can't believe people can disagree with what I posted in the OP

Play the ball not the man eh?
Click to expand...

"Play the ball not the man".

That's perfect for this scenario Phil.

I know he didn't invent the saying but I believe it was made famous on here by Roberto Rivellino once of this parish.

To be fair to Robbie plenty were guilty of playing the man and not the ball when responding to his contributions on here.

My tip to the great man would be another saying, "Practice what you preach".
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Hevster

I'm like both Mex and yourself in that I'm not particularly interested in any formal statement but I can't believe that he hasn't made such a statement.

How shallow are we if we are of the opinion that Sadler/the club shouldn't make any formal statement just because we are not interested personally ?
Click to expand...
Agreed and that's exactly why I phrased it the way I did. What is meat and drink for one is ashes for another. I don't pretend just because I don't need to hear anything that it should apply to anyone else. And the club should understand that too.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Mex

I'm not so sure that Sadler/the club should stop issuing formal statements because some supporters might be critical of such statements ?

As a successful businessman, I'm sure he is capable of ensuring that his organisations communicate effectively with customers and that he has faced - and conquered - far bigger challenges.
Click to expand...
I didn’t say Sadler shouldn’t issue a statement because some supporters would automatically criticise it. In fact I said I could see a business case for a “rally the troops” type statement even though I personally didn’t need to see one unless it had some specific news to announce.

I was just predicting that if he came out with a statement that didn’t include some specific news, then I’d expect it to be criticised by some supporters (even some of those who’d been asking for it).
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I didn’t say Sadler shouldn’t issue a statement because some supporters would automatically criticise it. In fact I said I could see a business case for a “rally the troops” type statement even though I personally didn’t need to see one unless it had some specific news to announce.

I was just predicting that if he came out with a statement that didn’t include some specific news, then I’d expect it to be criticised by some supporters (even the ones who’d been asking for it).
Click to expand...
Surely being criticised for doing something and trying is better than saying nothing. Besides it would be the arm around the shoulder some fans would need.

Perhaps he is getting a bit concerned that the off field stuff would need to be included. They don't. They're completely separate and should be dealt with when things change- good or bad.
 
td53 said:
I think most clubs would address the situation where there's no manager, board, recruitment bloke or director of football and they've been relegated and 13 of the squad from the previous season have left...

The last wider communication with the fanbase (excluding a closed doors minuted meeting) was in the opening days of the last season.

It's not about Phil this.

It's about the club filling the void and providing a little bit of insight into what is going on.

It's not asking for 'wow' signings or £50 season tickets - it's just a bit of communication.

I don't think it's particularly unreasonable.
It costs the club nothing in cash and very little in time. There's no downside.

All we need is...

Cheers for the support. Mistakes were made but football is hard and it's all learning. Let's stick together... We're on with it. Determined to get back. Attacking football. Etc. Love and hugs... Tangerine army etc etc. Si. x

Everyone calms the fuck down .

With silence, everyone is gossiping, speculating. The previous season and the rancour drags on and on. The whole deal with Sadler was 'we're on a journey together' - he's driving the bus atm. On his own. Where are we going?

I find it really odd that you wouldn't put something out that draws a line under what was and invites people to think about what will come.
Click to expand...
Fair comments those.
 
fcblackpool said:
Surely being criticised for doing something and trying is better than saying nothing. Besides it would be the arm around the shoulder some fans would need.

Perhaps he is getting a bit concerned that the off field stuff would need to be included. They don't. They're completely separate and should be dealt with when things change- good or bad.
Click to expand...
I haven’t suggested he shouldn’t say anything because he might be criticised.

I’m just saying that if he does make a statement then he shouldn’t be surprised if he’s still being criticised for it.

Two different things.

As I’ve already said, I personally don’t need my tummy tickled (as another poster has phrased it). I appreciate though some others might respond positively to a feel good statement. Pretty much what Hevster said a few posts back really.
 
Hevster said:
Agreed and that's exactly why I phrased it the way I did. What is meat and drink for one is ashes for another. I don't pretend just because I don't need to hear anything that it should apply to anyone else. And the club should understand that too.
Click to expand...

Hevster

Yes, sorry about that.

I've re-read your original post and can only think I didn't go further than you agreeing with Mex.

My bad and apologies.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I haven’t suggested he shouldn’t say anything because he might be criticised.

I’m just saying that if he does make a statement then he shouldn’t be surprised if he’s still being criticised for it.

Two different things.

As I’ve already said, I personally don’t need my tummy tickled (as another poster has phrased it). I appreciate though some others might respond positively to a feel good statement. Pretty much what Hevster said a few posts back really.
Click to expand...
Just on a business front you'd expect something said to his customers.

Anyway, round in circles, so time to jump on the next big thread.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I didn’t say Sadler shouldn’t issue a statement because some supporters would automatically criticise it. In fact I said I could see a business case for a “rally the troops” type statement even though I personally didn’t need to see one unless it had some specific news to announce.

I was just predicting that if he came out with a statement that didn’t include some specific news, then I’d expect it to be criticised by some supporters (even some of those who’d been asking for it).
Click to expand...

That's fair enough Mex.

I don't know what I'm doing regarding my reading today ?

As you say, you clearly referred to the need - or possible need - for some kind of formal statement.

You are certainly right in that Sadler/the club could face criticism following the release of any statement and that Sadler can't win either way.

I did think that you were offering this as justification for not releasing any formal statement and apologies for suggesting that.
 
Last edited:
The only thing SS can say now to make people potentially happy is announcing the new manager

Unless he can do that now which for whatever reason he obviously can’t anything he says will be ripped to pieces so there isn’t any point
 
basilrobbie3 said:
I think they were covered at Structured Dialogue, one way or another. The writing was on the wall by then.
Click to expand...
Was it fuck

The structured dialogue meeting was a load of nonsense and you know it

It was also ** ages ago so has fcuk all to do with what I'm on about to try and increase ticket sales and maximise income for the club

Wow I'm actually speechless reading that post of yours

Give up Robbie
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Was it fuck

The structured dialogue meeting was a load of nonsense and you know it

It was also ** ages ago so has fcuk all to do with what I'm on about to try and increase ticket sales and maximise income for the club

Wow I'm actually speechless reading that post of yours

Give up Robbie
Click to expand...
Let's face it, your opening post is utter bollocks. You want Sadler to apologise for us being relegated? Like he kicked the ball, picked the team and the tactics?
He owes you nothing, and if you don't come back to the stadium ever again, nobody will notice and nobody will care.
The amount of money you chip in, via your ST purchase, won't even pay for the cost of cutting the grass for a day.

ST sales aren't important. If we do well from October onwards, we'll get a full ground. If that full ground is comprised of 75% non ST holders, then the club make more money. Go away.
 
FYForesight said:
Let's face it, your opening post is utter bollocks. You want Sadler to apologise for us being relegated? Like he kicked the ball, picked the team and the tactics?
He owes you nothing, and if you don't come back to the stadium ever again, nobody will notice and nobody will care.
The amount of money you chip in, via your ST purchase, won't even pay for the cost of cutting the grass for a day.

ST sales aren't important. If we do well from October onwards, we'll get a full ground. If that full ground is comprised of 75% non ST holders, then the club make more money. Go away.
Click to expand...
It's not bollocks at all it's just common sense to try and shift some season tickets
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top