When did we become WOKE?

20togo said:
nope. In the eyes of the mods it's ok to call people tight wing nut jobs but if you reply saying loony left wing woke, some-one reports it and it gets deleted. It's tit for tat as Ollygon acknowledges and he doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Biased mods do though.
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Ok will test that theory: LOONY LEFT WING WOKE- SOCIALISM SUCKS- STARMER IS NO GOOD- BORIS FOREVER ! BREXIT IS WUNDERBAR !🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧😜😀😂
 
traffordtang said:
When people decided that using the word woke to describe an opinion they didn’t like was a good way of trying to shut people up for “fear” of being labelled woke. A bit like “leftie”
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Hmm maybe they picked up the strategy from the posters that use the word ‘gammon’ anytime there’s an opinion given which isn’t straight out of Corbyn’s playbook. 🤣
 
On a serious note, whatever the word for it, we have become much more ‘sensitive’ and easily offended.
At the same time we are much less tolerant. This is primarily emanating from our universities which ironically used to be a ‘safe-space’ for open debate. Alas this is no longer the case.
Free speech has been continuously eroded, and replaced with a cancel culture. So now the only real free speech you’ll hear is from those too old and/or too rich to care about the consequences. Sharon Davies for example has seen the consequences of speaking her mind on the topic of transgender athletes in women’s sports. She’s been dropped by various sponsors and has lost several media contracts merely because her opinion has caused unease amongst the trans community. This is quite a good example actually because trans is a hot topic for society to grapple with and address. There’s so much inconsistency in how practicalities are handled in institutions and sport etc. There’s safety concerns. There’s the rights of the trans folk who we don’t want to discriminate against. But we will be hindered in finding a way through any issues, due to the debate being stifled and shut down. Anyone who dares speak out, faces potential career suicide. Even when they’re trying to protect women’s rights which were so hard fought for but unfortunately are no longer flavour of the month.
John McEnroe is a good example of someone too rich and too hard faced to care much about consequences. He spoke common sense when asked how Serena Williams would do in the men’s game. He give his informed opinion that she would not be very successful. Men are stronger and have other biological advantages. But no- this was unacceptable to the woke brigade and they came after him because some viewers were ‘offended’. Unfortunately we’ve reached a state of hyper sensitivity. The effects are this are compounded because our authorities and others in power now completely overreact and side with the offended regardless of what the so called ‘offender’ has said. If someone is offended because of a home truth about a female tennis player’s ability to compete on the men’s game, then in my opinion they’re over sensitive. We shouldn’t react by trying to cancel someone. (We should instead not be afraid to make the completely rational case for segregated sports based on gender. Men and women compete separately for good reason eg men have a huge advantage over women due to biological reasons.) But we do. So it becomes open season and we reach the ridiculous position where the police authorities are literally processing complaints about something (often mildly controversial) someone has written on Twitter etc.
Then we have a police authority that will knock on doors issuing warning etc etc just for someone speaking freely. Meanwhile real crime goes unaddressed and peadophiles are free to ply their sick trade for example. And don’t tell me they’re not. There’s so much peadophile activity online and elsewhere. There’s huge amounts of online fraud too. But we waste resource logging complaints from the woke. Most of these amount to nothing significant and end up with no action or no further action. Yet they have to be logged and processed. It’s nonsense. You should be contacting the police if someone has robbed you or assaulted you or threatened to kill you - but not because they’ve given an opinion trans women in female toilets.

It will only get worse because we have had a generation or two of kids who don’t lose at sports day. Everyone’s a winner. We don’t want to upset anyone. Then they progress through education and get indoctrinated by socialist university lecturers or weirdos on tiktok. There’s this recent trend to identify as something unique and to be addressed by special pronouns. They’re offended if you don’t use their chosen pronouns. How terrible of you if you see someone who looks female and call them miss. This should be reported and logged and you should hang your head in shame and cancel yourself.

For me it’s simple. We need to get back to free speech. Free speech within the constraints of the law. We can’t be doing hate speech and racist speech etc. But we should remember that it’s not illegal to offend by being rude or merely giving an opinion. There is and should be a completely clear gulf between the two so we don’t have to be involving the police in tittle tattle and silly online squabbles.
If we get back to a culture of free speech we will once again develop a slighter thicker skin and benefit from open debate where all sides can appreciate each other’s views and evolve form there.
I’m convinced there’s a link between wokeness and mental health. We have raised a generation who don’t have the interpersonal toolkit or resilience to function in adult life without being offended daily. We’ve failed the university graduates and we’ve set them up for miserable existences where they struggle to come to terms with the fact that there’s more than just their opinion - more than one version of the truth - more than just their feelings to consider.
Turning this around will take years - but in the immediate term I’m just hoping this post survives and I don’t get a knock on the door from PC (politically correct) PLOD. 😮🤣🤣
 
Malced said:
On a serious note, whatever the word for it, we have become much more ‘sensitive’ and easily offended.
At the same time we are much less tolerant. This is primarily emanating from our universities which ironically used to be a ‘safe-space’ for open debate. Alas this is no longer the case.
Free speech has been continuously eroded, and replaced with a cancel culture. So now the only real free speech you’ll hear is from those too old and/or too rich to care about the consequences. Sharon Davies for example has seen the consequences of speaking her mind on the topic of transgender athletes in women’s sports. She’s been dropped by various sponsors and has lost several media contracts merely because her opinion has caused unease amongst the trans community. This is quite a good example actually because trans is a hot topic for society to grapple with and address. There’s so much inconsistency in how practicalities are handled in institutions and sport etc. There’s safety concerns. There’s the rights of the trans folk who we don’t want to discriminate against. But we will be hindered in finding a way through any issues, due to the debate being stifled and shut down. Anyone who dares speak out, faces potential career suicide. Even when they’re trying to protect women’s rights which were so hard fought for but unfortunately are no longer flavour of the month.
John McEnroe is a good example of someone too rich and too hard faced to care much about consequences. He spoke common sense when asked how Serena Williams would do in the men’s game. He give his informed opinion that she would not be very successful. Men are stronger and have other biological advantages. But no- this was unacceptable to the woke brigade and they came after him because some viewers were ‘offended’. Unfortunately we’ve reached a state of hyper sensitivity. The effects are this are compounded because our authorities and others in power now completely overreact and side with the offended regardless of what the so called ‘offender’ has said. If someone is offended because of a home truth about a female tennis player’s ability to compete on the men’s game, then in my opinion they’re over sensitive. We shouldn’t react by trying to cancel someone. (We should instead not be afraid to make the completely rational case for segregated sports based on gender. Men and women compete separately for good reason eg men have a huge advantage over women due to biological reasons.) But we do. So it becomes open season and we reach the ridiculous position where the police authorities are literally processing complaints about something (often mildly controversial) someone has written on Twitter etc.
Then we have a police authority that will knock on doors issuing warning etc etc just for someone speaking freely. Meanwhile real crime goes unaddressed and peadophiles are free to ply their sick trade for example. And don’t tell me they’re not. There’s so much peadophile activity online and elsewhere. There’s huge amounts of online fraud too. But we waste resource logging complaints from the woke. Most of these amount to nothing significant and end up with no action or no further action. Yet they have to be logged and processed. It’s nonsense. You should be contacting the police if someone has robbed you or assaulted you or threatened to kill you - but not because they’ve given an opinion trans women in female toilets.

It will only get worse because we have had a generation or two of kids who don’t lose at sports day. Everyone’s a winner. We don’t want to upset anyone. Then they progress through education and get indoctrinated by socialist university lecturers or weirdos on tiktok. There’s this recent trend to identify as something unique and to be addressed by special pronouns. They’re offended if you don’t use their chosen pronouns. How terrible of you if you see someone who looks female and call them miss. This should be reported and logged and you should hang your head in shame and cancel yourself.

For me it’s simple. We need to get back to free speech. Free speech within the constraints of the law. We can’t be doing hate speech and racist speech etc. But we should remember that it’s not illegal to offend by being rude or merely giving an opinion. There is and should be a completely clear gulf between the two so we don’t have to be involving the police in tittle tattle and silly online squabbles.
If we get back to a culture of free speech we will once again develop a slighter thicker skin and benefit from open debate where all sides can appreciate each other’s views and evolve form there.
I’m convinced there’s a link between wokeness and mental health. We have raised a generation who don’t have the interpersonal toolkit or resilience to function in adult life without being offended daily. We’ve failed the university graduates and we’ve set them up for miserable existences where they struggle to come to terms with the fact that there’s more than just their opinion - more than one version of the truth - more than just their feelings to consider.
Turning this around will take years - but in the immediate term I’m just hoping this post survives and I don’t get a knock on the door from PC (politically correct) PLOD. 😮🤣🤣
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And the flip side is that some people just make stuff up and when they’re challenged they play the victim and claim their right to free speech is being infringed.

See Alex Jones who claimed the Sandy Hook murders of school kids didn’t happen. He claimed it was all staged by actors and was a plot by the Deep State to bring in arms controls. A lots of people believed him and paid him a lot of money.
 
🙄 was that a cut n paste, Malced

i only ask cos it’s very well written and I lost faith in your scribblings when you had a little rant about the lack of hottest ever recorded temperatures a few weeks back. You know, the one that didn’t age well

plenty in our ageing avftt generation, usually the gammons on here, who are ‘offended daily‘ and ‘struggle to come to terms with the fact that there’s more than just their (antiquated) opinions’, without pinning this on the generation that ‘we have raised’
 
Mexboroseasider said:
And the flip side is that some people just make stuff up and when they’re challenged they play the victim and claim their right to free speech is being infringed.

See Alex Jones who claimed the Sandy Hook murders of school kids didn’t happen. He claimed it was all staged by actors and was a plot by the Deep State to bring in arms controls. A lots of people believed him and paid him a lot of money.
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Yeah but that’s an extreme example and one which is rightfully being addressed through the courts.
 
Recidivist3 said:
🙄 was that a cut n paste, Malced

i only ask cos it’s very well written and I lost faith in your scribblings when you had a little rant about the lack of hottest ever recorded temperatures a few weeks back. You know, the one that didn’t age well

plenty in our ageing avftt generation, usually the gammons on here, who are ‘offended daily‘ and ‘struggle to come to terms with the fact that there’s more than just their (antiquated) opinions’, without pinning this on the generation that ‘we have raised’
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To be fair to me I said the news reporters were talking as if the record temp had already been breached, when it hadn’t. It was widely reported that the temp the next day would be even higher but nonetheless my point was they should be factual and not sensationalise.
And I was correct in stating one expert said it would be normal temp by 2050 and another expert said by 2100.
However what got me started on that post was the nonsense that there was a risk to life for fit and healthy people. I think that aged well didn’t it? 😃
 
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Malced said:
To be fair to me I said the news reporters were talking as if the record temp had already been breached, when it hadn’t. It was widely reported that the temp the next day would be even higher but nonetheless my pony was they should be factual and not sensationalise.
And I was correct in stating one expert said it would be normal temp by 2050 and another expert said by 2100.
However what got me started on that post was the nonsense that there was a risk to life for fit and healthy people. I think that aged well didn’t it? 😃
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Ps I don’t cut and paste. Anything I type has come straight from my head to my iPhone. 👍
 
Always tangerine said:
Defintion of "woke" from Merriam- Webster Dictionary
"aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)"

Im happy to fit in with that.
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Two words highly questionable words in that definition; important and facts. Think I'll keep ignoring people like you...thanks all the same. You come around eventually I've noticed - when wanting some actual human interaction the online virtue signalling guard invariably needs to be lowered.
 
rockontommy said:
Two words highly questionable words in that definition; important and facts. Think I'll keep ignoring people like you...thanks all the same. You come around eventually I've noticed - when wanting some actual human interaction the online virtue signalling guard invariably needs to be lowered.
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Dont think so, as youve never met me I dont get the " people like you " , but ignoring me is fine . The rest of what you say is impenetrable. But if you dont get that definition there are lots of others on the same lines .
 
rockontommy said:
The young of today are boring little twats though. Your youth movements of the past had something about them at least, whether that be drugs, or music or the politics. Even the ** hippies were cool in their own way (they were definitely anti-establishment) but this lot are tedious perennial worriers.

I say 'this lot' but there's plenty of kids not into politics and they appear to me to be the most 'right on' because they're all out getting on with it - speaking to actual people, doing courses and jobs, and most importantly, having fun.
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Yes I work with kids that appear to be from another planet. No common sense or respect for elders. Yet when I go to the gym I find some very good respectful kids. It’s probably more about good parenting. But in my day we got corporal punishment in school. It was usually the cane or strap. Usually done in front of the whole class. Did us no harm. I have never been in trouble in my life,
 
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