When should offside be offside?

Cable Cat

Cable Cat

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Any thoughts on this because clearly it is a massive problem for VAR.

Personally I think there has to be daylight between the two players. The decisions are getting tighter and tighter and we should be allowing far more leeway to the striker to allow more goals. VAR is dead if they continue this ridiculous idea of a gnats whisker between players.
 
Cable Cat said:
Any thoughts on this because clearly it is a massive problem for VAR.

Personally I think there has to be daylight between the two players. The decisions are getting tighter and tighter and we should be allowing far more leeway to the striker to allow more goals. VAR is dead if they continue this ridiculous idea of a gnats whisker between players.
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The 10 cm margin of error will certainly help as no one wants the tight calls where someone’s finger tip is offside. The giroud one was a bit more clear tonight so no issue with that as his foot was a foot offside 😉 Chelsea’s first was a clear push so right call on that one too personally
 
Cable Cat said:
Any thoughts on this because clearly it is a massive problem for VAR.

Personally I think there has to be daylight between the two players. The decisions are getting tighter and tighter and we should be allowing far more leeway to the striker to allow more goals. VAR is dead if they continue this ridiculous idea of a gnats whisker between players.
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Never really bothers the thousands of games played elsewhere in the UK over a weekend,where people get on with it and accepts the officials decisions.
The professional game brought this on itself with negative tactics that ruined football as an entertainment,and pandering to the TV audiences that prop up the huge wages and income for clubs.

Back to basics for me and clone George Courtenay while he's still alive 😁
 
I’ve said before that there should be something similar to the umpires call in cricket. Will still put some responsibility on the officials to get the correct decision initially.

That said where do you draw the line? 5cm, 10cm, daylight? And then do the complaints start if the player is a ball hair over that line?
 
Cable Cat said:
Any thoughts on this because clearly it is a massive problem for VAR.

Personally I think there has to be daylight between the two players. The decisions are getting tighter and tighter and we should be allowing far more leeway to the striker to allow more goals. VAR is dead if they continue this ridiculous idea of a gnats whisker between players.
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When the referee and linesman agree it’s offside. Simple
 
I would limit the level of technology available to the VAR team, similar to how it works with rugby. Let the officials/VAR look at slow-mo’s etc...but not countless freeze frames with lines across the pitch to look for a heel or armpit that’s off. If there’s no clear and obvious offside from a slow-mo then the attacking player is clearly not trying to gain an advantage. It’s really simple when you stop and think about it.
 
It's time a lot more attention was made of the actual moment the ball is played . Why no close ups /stills of that ? The difference of just touching the ball to it leaving the boot has been proved to possibly make a player become offside or vice versa.
 
Don't really mind what the rule is, just can't be doing with waiting around after a goal while VAR micro-analyse the entire passage of play leading up to a goal incase there was a slightly robust challenge 3 minutes earlier or the ball brushed across someone's arm or perhaps their left boot-lace was offside. I hate it!
 
Only one workable solution. The player's foot should determine whether he is offside. A finger or elbow cannot decide the position. It is football after all. Whichever way the problem is resolved it is not any fault of the VAR system. All that does is show the exact position. It is the interpretation of the fact that needs to be sorted out.
 
Just posted this on the Chelsea vs MU thread. The Giroud goal looked fine watching live, he came from an onside position and moved beautifully to the near post (not many strikers seem to move much in the box these days).
What I don't get is with the close up of Giroud's foot that was offside, how do we actually know that this image is really at the precise moment that the ball was kicked? These decisions are hair splitting - micro seconds can make the difference and the timings involved will depend upon the distance from the ball to the nearest sound monitor (if they are using audio to pick up the ball being kicked). Can anyone explain how this 'precise moment' is calculated in the VAR system?
There is talk of introducing a tolerance (a bit like umpires call in cricket) but I'm not sure that this would be an improvement.
 
Daylight between attack & defender, gives attacker the slight edge if he times it perfectly, so possibly more goals happen in games, more excitement & clear daylight is the easiest to see with the naked eye, VAR, Must get the present rule spot on, but when its a finger nail infront whilst obviously correct, fans cant see it to accept.
 
Dont know why it is that alot of rules are a bit defensive biased, goalkeepers get to much protection imo, its the same for both teams afterall and youd get more goals
 
Pun_1 said:
The 10 cm margin of error will certainly help as no one wants the tight calls where someone’s finger tip is offside. The giroud one was a bit more clear tonight so no issue with that as his foot was a foot offside 😉 Chelsea’s first was a clear push so right call on that one too personally
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Yes, daylight for me too. And that has to be awarded by the liner's flag supported by the ref; any disagreement between them and it should be on-side.
 
I`ve been saying daylight all season glad others are coming round to that now.

VAR is only as good as the people who operate it but it will get better and ensure that there are more correct decisions which what is needed in the long run.So don`t throw the baby out with the bathwater.It already works very well in both codes of rugby,cricket and tennis.
 
Cable Cat said:
Any thoughts on this because clearly it is a massive problem for VAR.

Personally I think there has to be daylight between the two players. The decisions are getting tighter and tighter and we should be allowing far more leeway to the striker to allow more goals. VAR is dead if they continue this ridiculous idea of a gnats whisker between players.
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That was how it was supposed to be, daylight between the players, it may have caused the odd bit of controversy but not as much as VAR .
 
I think it should be like American football, where the referee and linespeople (!) make the decisions but the two teams are each allowed to "flag" and review two decisions per game. If they contest a decision and the referee was correct, they lose that challenge. If they contest, and it was justified they keep their two further challenges... (similar to cricket too, I suppose)
 
1950`spoolfan said:
It already works very well in both codes of rugby,cricket and tennis.
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I disagree about rugby; it does a good job in cricket and tennis, but in rugby, the waiting around for a decision absolutely kills the atmosphere and excitement of the try scoring. Yes, it's clear and transparent - everyone knows what's going on, but it takes forever. Hate it!
 
Agreed works well in cricket & tennis, using a challenge system, not to bad in rugby, way better than how its applied in football atm, sure they will tinker and get it working best way it can, eventually
 
Problem is football thinks it is bigger and better than other sports and cannot possibly take the lead from other sports that use use the technology to enhance the sport for the fans and to get the correct decision. We should look at cricket but we will not😡no fans of cricket complain about ball tracking I watch it and think it’s great and clear what is going to happen before we get the official announcement
 
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