Where Are Our Goals Coming From??? Reality Check.

The_Busted_Flush

The_Busted_Flush

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I know it’s an exciting time and everybody’s in a positive mood given the takeover, vast array of new signings and relatively decent pre-season, but here’s a reality check.

(List only contains goals records for midfielders and forwards as totting up the defenders records would have been time consuming and quite pointless.)

(Please bear in mind that a fair amount of these appearances will have been substitute appearances. Please ALSO bear in mind that many of these appearance and goals occurred in leagues of lesser quality than league 1.)

MJ Williams- Apps: 85 Goals: 0 Avg: 0 in 85
Matty Virtue- Apps: 50 Goals: 5 Avg: 1 in 10
Ethan Robson- Apps: 38 Goals: 5 Avg: 1 in 8
Grant Ward- Apps: 173 Goals: 11 Avg: 1 in 16
Oliver Sarkic- Apps: 102 Goals: 11 Avg: 1 in 9
Keshi Anderson- Apps: 129 Goals: 22 Avg: 1 in 6
CJ Hamilton- Apps: 177 Goals: 20 Avg: 1 in 9
Sullay Kaikai- Apps: 119 Goals: 24 Avg: 1 in 5
Dan Kemp- Apps: 7 Goals: 1 Avg: 1 in 7
Bez Lubala- Apps: 38 Goals: 12 Avg: 1 in 3
Jerry Yates- Apps: 113 Goals: 28 Avg: 1 in 4
Gary Madine- Apps: 367 Goals: 76 Avg: 1 in 5

Total- Apps: 1398 Goals: 215


Now, not to panic anyone, but where are our goals coming from this season?
 
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A good o/p although somewhat hard on the players we have recruited. We’ve completed changed our approach and brought in players that are all young and have the ability to grow and improve through coaching. You could argue that these young players won’t have the years of successful seasons under them like other older players. I think what you need to ask yourself is would you rather have these types of players than the delfonso / gnado types that have scored a few over time but we cannot look to improve to take us to the next level.
 
The OP is nonsense. Dan Kemp has played 7 matches in his career. In his next 30 games he might score 15 goals. We don't know. Lubala has 12 in 38. He might get 20 this season. Yates got 14 last season, a short season. He might get 20. These are all young players, improving each season, two of them at the beginning of their first team careers, who could all become regular scorers very soon. Likewise, a chap in his 30s with a great goal scoring record could sign for us and score none.

And the OP displays a massive list of players who are all capable of scoring goals. We have 12 players there to share the burden. 5 each is 60 goals.
 
The main thing I draw from those stats is that we have a hell of a lot of young players who have for their age played a lot of games and whose best years await them.

what we need is someone to make it easy for them to score...a player that can deliver pin point balls at distance for them when we counter attack. I’m struggling to think of a deep playing maestro who might be available for such a role though.
 
clappers said:
The main thing I draw from those stats is that we have a hell of a lot of young players who have for their age played a lot of games and whose best years await them.

what we need is someone to make it easy for them to score...a player that can deliver pin point balls at distance for them when we counter attack. I’m struggling to think of a deep playing maestro who might be available for such a role though.
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That's as bad as the OP.


Possibly worse. 😉
 
The_Busted_Flush said:
I know it’s an exciting time and everybody’s in a positive mood given the takeover, vast array of new signings and relatively decent pre-season, but here’s a reality check.

(List only contains goals records for midfielders and forwards as totting up the defenders records would have been time consuming and quite pointless.)

(Please bear in mind that a fair amount of these appearances will have been substitute appearances. Please ALSO bear in mind that many of these appearance and goals occurred in leagues of lesser quality than league 1.)

MJ Williams- Apps: 85 Goals: 0 Avg: 0 in 85
Matty Virtue- Apps: 50 Goals: 5 Avg: 1 in 10
Ethan Robson- Apps: 38 Goals: 5 Avg: 1 in 8
Grant Ward- Apps: 173 Goals: 11 Avg: 1 in 16
Oliver Sarkic- Apps: 102 Goals: 11 Avg: 1 in 9
Keshi Anderson- Apps: 129 Goals: 22 Avg: 1 in 6
CJ Hamilton- Apps: 177 Goals: 20 Avg: 1 in 9
Sullay Kaikai- Apps: 119 Goals: 24 Avg: 1 in 5
Dan Kemp- Apps: 7 Goals: 1 Avg: 1 in 7
Bez Lubala- Apps: 38 Goals: 12 Avg: 1 in 3
Jerry Yates- Apps: 113 Goals: 28 Avg: 1 in 4
Gary Madine- Apps: 367 Goals: 76 Avg: 1 in 5

Total- Apps: 1398 Goals: 215

So, on average roughly 1 goal in every 6.5 games.

Now, not to panic anyone, but where are our goals coming from this season?
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Those bemoaning our lack of a goalscorer often cite Gnanduillet as someone who we could do with right now.

At the time of signing him, his record was 28 goals in 158 appearances. Jerry Yates has managed that in 45 less appearances, but apparently he isn't a goalscorer. So what this tells me is stats mean very little, and Blackpool fans have no patience whatsoever.
 
BFC_53 said:
Those bemoaning our lack of a goalscorer often cite Gnanduillet as someone who we could do with right now.

At the time of signing him, his record was 28 goals in 158 appearances. Jerry Yates has managed that in 45 less appearances, but apparently he isn't a goalscorer. So what this tells me is stats mean very little, and Blackpool fans have no patience whatsoever.
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I'd still like Gnands back mind 😁
 
Excellent post just looked on Wikipedia the stats are there for all to see take a look its even worse when you study each players stats and teams individually.
Our main striker Yates at Rotherham 7 years but loaned out most of the time to teams iv never heard of his record is very poor Williams 85 appearances zero goals
Some saying goals will come from midfield really ????
 
voyeur said:
The OP is nonsense. Dan Kemp has played 7 matches in his career. In his next 30 games he might score 15 goals. We don't know. Lubala has 12 in 38. He might get 20 this season. Yates got 14 last season, a short season. He might get 20. These are all young players, improving each season, two of them at the beginning of their first team careers, who could all become regular scorers very soon. Likewise, a chap in his 30s with a great goal scoring record could sign for us and score none.

And the OP displays a massive list of players who are all capable of scoring goals. We have 12 players there to share the burden. 5 each is 60 goals.
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Take a look at wiki your saying 5 each 60 goals I wouldn't bet on Williams scoring 5 in his whole career with his record up to now 80 plus games zero and the other midfield signings not much better so I would be surprised lets see hopefully your right.
 
voyeur said:
The OP is nonsense. Dan Kemp has played 7 matches in his career. In his next 30 games he might score 15 goals. We don't know. Lubala has 12 in 38. He might get 20 this season. Yates got 14 last season, a short season. He might get 20. These are all young players, improving each season, two of them at the beginning of their first team careers, who could all become regular scorers very soon. Likewise, a chap in his 30s with a great goal scoring record could sign for us and score none.

And the OP displays a massive list of players who are all capable of scoring goals. We have 12 players there to share the burden. 5 each is 60 goals.
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I agree that Yates, Lubala and Kemp could all score a lot more this season and I retrospectively appreciate that those stats aren’t kind to Yates and Lubala given that they had decent records last season, albeit in league 2.
This being said, I don’t think the OP is total nonsense. We have signed a lot of players that don’t score many goals. If you’re a stats man that would suggest that we aren’t going to score enough this season. Could well be wrong, hope I am, time will tell.
 
I do believe quite a few of those listed will chip in with goals, we just need to be patient. But that doesn't mean we can't have our say on what and where we think there are problems. It's what fans of every club do. As long as it's constructive.
 
BFC_53 said:
Those bemoaning our lack of a goalscorer often cite Gnanduillet as someone who we could do with right now.

At the time of signing him, his record was 28 goals in 158 appearances. Jerry Yates has managed that in 45 less appearances, but apparently he isn't a goalscorer. So what this tells me is stats mean very little, and Blackpool fans have no patience whatsoever.
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Fair point. I could well be misinterpreting the stats and placing too much emphasis on them. Time will tell, hope I’m wrong.
 
20togo said:
I do believe quite a few of those listed will chip in with goals, we just need to be patient. But that doesn't mean we can't have our say on what and where we think there are problems. It's what fans of every club do. As long as it's constructive.
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If we don't sign at least a couple of players with a proven track record in this league or above your patience and mine will be running out im thinking.
 
BFC_53 said:
Those bemoaning our lack of a goalscorer often cite Gnanduillet as someone who we could do with right now.

At the time of signing him, his record was 28 goals in 158 appearances. Jerry Yates has managed that in 45 less appearances, but apparently he isn't a goalscorer. So what this tells me is stats mean very little, and Blackpool fans have no patience whatsoever.
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Yates has 32 goals in 128 appearances, the vast majority in league2.
 
O/P has provoked discussion, which is good.
The stats show that many players can chip in with goals, but yes, it also shows we don't 'appear' to have a 20 goal a season striker.
However, 2 thoughts.
Would you rather have one player scoring all the goals, or a dozen chipping in with a handful each?
The problem is, what happens when that 'main' goalscorer is unavailable, ie. injured or suspended, perhaps for half the season - buy another?
Style of football. If we play 'Arsenal' football, where every game is 1-0, we don't get many opportunities to score.
Alternatively, we play expansive attacking football (which we would all enjoy more of course), and games finish 3-2, 4-3 etc, then we'll get lots of goals from all over everywhere with the current players.
Let's enjoy the buzz we have now, let's see how we get on.
UTMP.
 
The_Busted_Flush said:
I agree that Yates, Lubala and Kemp could all score a lot more this season and I retrospectively appreciate that those stats aren’t kind to Yates and Lubala given that they had decent records last season, albeit in league 2.
This being said, I don’t think the OP is total nonsense. We have signed a lot of players that don’t score many goals. If you’re a stats man that would suggest that we aren’t going to score enough this season. Could well be wrong, hope I am, time will tell.
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We have a lot of young players who are going to improve, playing in a system that creates a lot of chances. I don't think looking at stats
like that is terribly helpful. And the fact we have 12 players who are all capable of scoring a few goals is good. And I believe two or three will score more than a few. In our 2006/7 promotion we were top scorers in the division with the following highest scorers in league matches, I see no reason why we can't achieve similar this season...

Morrell 16
Parker 13
Vernon 11
Hoolahan 8
Southern 5
Williams 4
Fox 4
 
voyeur said:
We have a lot of young players who are going to improve, playing in a system that creates a lot of chances. I don't think looking at stats
like that is terribly helpful. And the fact we have 12 players who are all capable of scoring a few goals is good. And I believe two or three will score more than a few. In our 2006/7 promotion we were top scorers in the division with the following highest scorers in league matches, I see no reason why we can't achieve similar this season...

Morrell 16
Parker 13
Vernon 11
Hoolahan 8
Southern 5
Williams 4
Fox 4
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In fact if you compare our attacking options from 2006/7 with our current options, I believe we have a lot more now. Morrell was quality, but not an out and out goal scorer. Parker was frustrating, lightning fast but missed loads of chances. Vernon was a journeyman. Hoolahan fourth highest scorer from midfield. Then nothing much really.
 
voyeur said:
We have a lot of young players who are going to improve, playing in a system that creates a lot of chances. I don't think looking at stats
like that is terribly helpful. And the fact we have 12 players who are all capable of scoring a few goals is good. And I believe two or three will score more than a few. In our 2006/7 promotion we were top scorers in the division with the following highest scorers in league matches, I see no reason why we can't achieve similar this season...

Morrell 16
Parker 13
Vernon 11
Hoolahan 8
Southern 5
Williams 4
Fox 4
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You could well be correct and I hope you are. I don’t yet see a Southern or Morrell in this team, and definitely not a Hoolahan, which makes me think otherwise.
 
I think the key is getting players into the box better than we are doing at the moment. No point in a right winger being out on the touch line if Hamilton is putting a cross in from the left. The right winger should be in the box and the right full/wing back should be the player out wide.
Yates has yet to prove he can get the goals but we've got to give him better service and help from other players in the box. On his own in the box he's too easily dealt with.
 
Finfind said:
Definitely Ward always side and back rarely forward the easy option.
Anderson and Robson i haven't seen enough of to comment lets see the jury's out.
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If you haven't seen enough of Anderson and Robson then you haven't seen much of Ward recently. He's not how you describe him.

But why have you decided to compare Hoolahan with Ward anyway? What does that tell us? What about the rest of our current side?
 
To make the stats more relevant I found the stats for last season alone:

MJ Williams- Apps: 28 Goals: 0 Avg: 0 in 28
Matty Virtue- Apps: 20 Goals: 2 Avg 1 in 10
Ethan Robson- Apps: 16 Goals: 3 Avg: 1 in 5
Grant Ward- Apps: 2 Goals: 0 Avg: N/A
Oliver Sarkic- Apps: 28 Goals: 3 1 in 9
Keshi Anderson- Apps: 17 Goals: 6 Avg: 1 in 3
CJ Hamilton- Apps: 25 Goals: 2 Avg: 1 in 12
Sullay Kaikai- Apps: 17 Goals: 4 Avg: 1 in 4
Dan Kemp- Apps: 6 Goals: 1 Avg: N/A
Bez Lubala- Apps: 32 Goals: 12 Avg: 1 in 2.5
Jerry Yates- Apps: 30 Goals: 13 Avg: 1 in 2.5
Gary Madine- Apps: 9 Goals: 2 Avg: N/A

The stats here look better which is good, though I suppose it suggests we’re relying on Yates, Lubala and Keshi to step up a division in quality for our main source of goals. Questionable but possible.
 
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voyeur said:
If you haven't seen enough of Anderson and Robson then you haven't seen much of Ward recently. He's not how you describe him.

But why have you decided to compare Hoolahan with Ward anyway? What does that tell us? What about the rest of our current side?
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Ward well we'll have to disagree on that one
When did I say i was comparing Ward with Hoolahan ??
But you must agree surely Wes was different class ??
 
The_Busted_Flush said:
To make the stats more relevant I found the stats for last season alone:

MJ Williams- Apps: 28 Goals: 0
Matty Virtue- Apps: 20 Goals: 2
Ethan Robson- Apps: 16 Goals: 3
Grant Ward- Apps: 2 Goals: 0
Oliver Sarkic- Apps: 28 Goals: 3
Keshi Anderson- Apps: 17 Goals: 6
CJ Hamilton- Apps: 25 Goals: 2
Sullay Kaikai- Apps: 17 Goals: 4
Dan Kemp- Apps: 6 Goals: 1
Bez Lubala- Apps: 32 Goals: 12
Jerry Yates- Apps: 30 Goals: 13
Gary Madine- Apps: 9 Goals: 2

The stats here look a bit better which is good, though I suppose it suggests we’re relying on Yates and Lubala to step up a division in quality for our main source of goals. Questionable but possible.
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A lot of teams are relying on players to step up a division in terms of goals. Villa - Watkins. Brentford- Toney. To name but two!

Those stats for last season equal 4.8 games per goal. With six players on the pitch for 46 games that makes 57.5 goals. In 2006/7 our top six scorers scored 57 goals. Karamba! If we pick our current six players in midfield and attack, but sub in Bez for Ward who only had two games, it would be less than 4.8 games per goal. 40 goals in 137 appearances equals a goal every 3.4 games. Over a 46 game season that means 81 goals. Promotion is a formality!

Which just goes to show that stats can be used to show whatever you want them to.
 
voyeur said:
A lot of teams are relying on players to step up a division in terms of goals. Villa - Watkins. Brentford- Toney. To name but two!

Those stats for last season equal 4.8 games per goal. With six players on the pitch for 46 games that makes 57.5 goals. In 2006/7 our top six scorers scored 57 goals. Karamba! If we pick our current six players in midfield and attack, but sub in Bez for Ward who only had two games, it would be less than 4.8 games per goal. 40 goals in 137 appearances equals a goal every 3.4 games. Over a 46 game season that means 81 goals. Promotion is a formality!

Which just goes to show that stats can be used to show whatever you want them to.
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Okay, let’s wait and see.
 
voyeur said:
A lot of teams are relying on players to step up a division in terms of goals. Villa - Watkins. Brentford- Toney. To name but two!

Those stats for last season equal 4.8 games per goal. With six players on the pitch for 46 games that makes 57.5 goals. In 2006/7 our top six scorers scored 57 goals. Karamba! If we pick our current six players in midfield and attack, but sub in Bez for Ward who only had two games, it would be less than 4.8 games per goal. 40 goals in 137 appearances equals a goal every 3.4 games. Over a 46 game season that means 81 goals. Promotion is a formality!

Which just goes to show that stats can be used to show whatever you want them to.
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Also,
Ollie Watkins Apps: 46 Goals: 25 Avg: 1 in 1.8
Ivan Toney Apps: 32 Goals: 24 Avg: 1 in 1.3
True exceptions, bad examples.
 
Sam Parkin on the EFL show on saturday night made a point of saying how much firepower we have.
 
The_Busted_Flush said:
Also,
Ollie Watkins Apps: 46 Goals: 25 Avg: 1 in 1.8
Ivan Toney Apps: 32 Goals: 24 Avg: 1 in 1.3
True exceptions, bad examples.
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Yes, fair enough! That's the power of money.

Yates though got 13 in 30 = 1 in 2.3.

Not bad. And he played on the left of the front three in 30 of his 36 games (all competitions) last season, apparently. He got eleven goals in the first 17 games.
 
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The biggest dissapointment so far for me is Sarkic.....
I thought he would be a revelation....
He looks way overweight
 
Spider29 said:
That’s one where he looks overweight....
Plus the penalties at Stoke
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I think you're basically mad. I'd say simple but that would be unkind and unnecessary. Like your bizarre assessment of Sarkic,and many other things.
 
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