Bend it like Suddick
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Its a football match...it happens. If you don't like it..don't watch the game. Utter Morons
I despair.
I despair.
If Mary Whitehouse wrote in it would be like the second coming, she’s been dead for over 20 years.Because if they didn't they would have mary whitehouse writing in and potential fines
I think they, you and I are wasting our time in trying to maintain said modicum. Profanity, abuse and bad language, by both sexes, seems to be the norm nowadays. I’m beginning to think if expletives were removed from the language the majority of people would be speechless.In order to maintain a modicum of decency in a deteriorating world.
By drawing attention to it with the apology, they make it worse. Just background noise to be ignored.Its a football match...it happens. If you don't like it..don't watch the game. Utter Morons
I despair.
It's time and place though isn't it? A bloke will expect to F and Jeff in the pub after work with his mates but not on a night out with his wife. Everyone should be able to know when it's OK and when it isn't.I think they, you and I are wasting our time in trying to maintain said modicum. Profanity, abuse and bad language, by both sexes, seems to be the norm nowadays. I’m beginning to think if expletives were removed from the language the majority of people would be speechless.
"Swearing is a really important part of one's life. It would be impossible to imagine going through life without swearing and without enjoying swearing... There used to be mad, silly, prissy people who used to say swearing was a sign of a poor vocabulary -such utter nonsense. The people I know who swear the most tend to have the widest vocabularies and the kind of person who says swearing is a sign of a poor vocabulary usually have a pretty poor vocabulary themselves... The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest or -is just a ** lunatic... I haven't met anybody who's truly shocked at swearing, really, they're only shocked on behalf of other people. Well, you know, that's preposterous... or they say 'it's not necessary'. As if that should stop one doing it! It's not necessary to have coloured socks, it's not necessary for this cushion to be here, but is anyone going to write in and say 'I was shocked to see that cushion there, it really wasn't necessary'? No, things not being necessary is what makes life interesting -the little extras in life." |
I spent most of my working life in a transport environment and boy, can those guys swear. So I’m in no way a prude. As you say there is a time and place, however these days it seems that the place is anywhere and the time is anytime in any company and as loudly as possible. Without any consideration for other people or whether or not they can hear, the attitude seems to be if you don’t like it tough.It's time and place though isn't it? A bloke will expect to F and Jeff in the pub after work with his mates but not on a night out with his wife. Everyone should be able to know when it's OK and when it isn't.
Take no notice of Stephen Fry, he’s as crazy as a box of frogs.As Stephen Fry says
"Swearing is a really important part of one's life. It would be impossible to imagine going through life without swearing and without enjoying swearing... There used to be mad, silly, prissy people who used to say swearing was a sign of a poor vocabulary -such utter nonsense. The people I know who swear the most tend to have the widest vocabularies and the kind of person who says swearing is a sign of a poor vocabulary usually have a pretty poor vocabulary themselves... The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest or -is just a ** lunatic... I haven't met anybody who's truly shocked at swearing, really, they're only shocked on behalf of other people. Well, you know, that's preposterous... or they say 'it's not necessary'. As if that should stop one doing it! It's not necessary to have coloured socks, it's not necessary for this cushion to be here, but is anyone going to write in and say 'I was shocked to see that cushion there, it really wasn't necessary'? No, things not being necessary is what makes life interesting -the little extras in life."
Different world now, women I work with swear just as much as the men. All about context and intent for me. The actual words unless directed with violent intent at an individual are just sounds. Can only speak for myself but doesn't bother me whatsoever.It's time and place though isn't it? A bloke will expect to F and Jeff in the pub after work with his mates but not on a night out with his wife. Everyone should be able to know when it's OK and when it isn't.
The relevant part of your post is when you said ‘can only speak for myself’. Just because it doesn’t bother you doesn’t mean it doesn’t bother other people. A little consideration for others of a more sensitive nature costs nothing, but may mean a great deal.Different world now, women I work with swear just as much as the men. All about context and intent for me. The actual words unless directed with violent intent at an individual are just sounds. Can only speak for myself but doesn't bother me whatsoever.
I get that my 80 year old ex mother in law hated swearing but as background noise watching football she wasn't bothered.The relevant part of your post is when you said ‘can only speak for myself’. Just because it doesn’t bother you doesn’t mean it doesn’t bother other people. A little consideration for others of a more sensitive nature costs nothing, but may mean a great deal.
Swearing as part of a chant is perfectly acceptable, it occurs in every match at every ground and as was said earlier if you don’t like it don’t go. I am talking about, walking down the street, in shops, cafés and just about anywhere else. If you’re walking down the street with a few mates having the craich, swearing etc. fine but not so loud that everyone else can hear. As I said a little consideration costs nothing.I get that my 80 year old ex mother in law hated swearing but as background noise watching football she wasn't bothered.
Like I said it's a very different thing directing it at an individual compared to 5000 people singing a swear word in a football chant.
Realistically speaking though, the people it bothered are just a bit up their own arses, if we’re being honest.The relevant part of your post is when you said ‘can only speak for myself’. Just because it doesn’t bother you doesn’t mean it doesn’t bother other people. A little consideration for others of a more sensitive nature costs nothing, but may mean a great deal.
Not going to disagree why would anybody want to knowingly upset others, but in football grounds there is no reason for commentators to apologise for the words of others.Swearing as part of a chant is perfectly acceptable, it occurs in every match at every ground and as was said earlier if you don’t like it don’t go. I am talking about, walking down the street, in shops, cafés and just about anywhere else. If you’re walking down the street with a few mates having the craich, swearing etc. fine but not so loud that everyone else can hear. As I said a little consideration costs nothing.
Not necessarily, people of my generation were brought up in an era which treated others with a little respect. Just because those days are gone, and I fully embrace change, doesn’t mean that the values a lot of people have held all there lives should be abandoned. My generation will soon be gone, just wait a little longer and you can all swear yourselves into oblivion.Realistically speaking though, the people it bothered are just a bit up their own arses, if we’re being honest.
There’s no reason for anyone to apologise for others. A very old friend of mine had a son with Tourettes Syndrome, he spent a lot of time apologising for the lads swearing until eventually gave up and took the view no need to apologise for someone who doesn’t know how to stop. Most people used to find it , daft as it sounds, a little quaint and just ignored it. Whoever is swearing on the broadcast doesn’t know it’s been broadcast so what’s to apologise for?Not going to disagree why would anybody want to knowingly upset others, but in football grounds there is no reason for commentators to apologise for the words of others.
The problem is that your era had no real clue what ‘respect’ really means and your value systems and morality were all arse about tit.Not necessarily, people of my generation were brought up in an era which treated others with a little respect. Just because those days are gone, and I fully embrace change, doesn’t mean that the values a lot of people have held all there lives should be abandoned. My generation will soon be gone, just wait a little longer and you can all swear yourselves into oblivion.
He’s a posh ** though……A ** posh ** at that….the **!As Stephen Fry says
"Swearing is a really important part of one's life. It would be impossible to imagine going through life without swearing and without enjoying swearing... There used to be mad, silly, prissy people who used to say swearing was a sign of a poor vocabulary -such utter nonsense. The people I know who swear the most tend to have the widest vocabularies and the kind of person who says swearing is a sign of a poor vocabulary usually have a pretty poor vocabulary themselves... The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest or -is just a ** lunatic... I haven't met anybody who's truly shocked at swearing, really, they're only shocked on behalf of other people. Well, you know, that's preposterous... or they say 'it's not necessary'. As if that should stop one doing it! It's not necessary to have coloured socks, it's not necessary for this cushion to be here, but is anyone going to write in and say 'I was shocked to see that cushion there, it really wasn't necessary'? No, things not being necessary is what makes life interesting -the little extras in life."
He’s talking about “the good old days”The problem is that your era had no real clue what ‘respect’ really means and your value systems and morality were all arse about tit.
On the one hand you’d happily engage in racism, homophobia and gender inequality. You condoned physical abuse of children as acceptable means of enforcing ‘good behaviour’ etc…
Yet you get all upset if someone swears or puts their elbows on the dinner table.
You couldn’t make that shit up
And impose the death penalty for littering.The problem is that your era had no real clue what ‘respect’ really means and your value systems and morality were all arse about tit.
On the one hand you’d happily engage in racism, homophobia and gender inequality. You condoned physical abuse of children as acceptable means of enforcing ‘good behaviour’ etc…
Yet you get all upset if someone swears or puts their elbows on the dinner table.
You couldn’t make that shit up
To be honest I know a lot of people from what I assume is your generation that say a lot of stuff that really isn't acceptable to many, sometimes they even throw a few expletives in aswell. Better to speak for yourself and not those born over a 20 year timespan, too many of them you wouldn't want to align yourself with!!Not necessarily, people of my generation were brought up in an era which treated others with a little respect. Just because those days are gone, and I fully embrace change, doesn’t mean that the values a lot of people have held all there lives should be abandoned. My generation will soon be gone, just wait a little longer and you can all swear yourselves into oblivion.
You’re tarring a whole generation with a brush that wasn’t of their making. Homosexuality was against the law until the late sixties, we didn’t make those laws, there were homophobes then just as there are now, the same applies to the other two. Regarding, so called, physical abuse of children. The majority of children, in those days, weren’t physically punished in any way , I myself was caned once in my whole childhood. The thing that maintained discipline was knowing the threat was there. That’s why we grew up respecting others and not the disobedient, self centred beings we have today.The problem is that your era had no real clue what ‘respect’ really means and your value systems and morality were all arse about tit.
On the one hand you’d happily engage in racism, homophobia and gender inequality. You condoned physical abuse of children as acceptable means of enforcing ‘good behaviour’ etc…
Yet you get all upset if someone swears or puts their elbows on the dinner table.
You couldn’t make that shit up
I wondered when some clown would bring out that old chestnut. They were certainly not the good old days and I never said they were, we had a hard time of it and I wouldn’t wish them back. To repeat,yet again, I’m talking about respect for other people who don’t want to listen to constant effing and jeffing for no particular reason. Like anything else that’s overused it tends to lose it’s efficacy.He’s talking about “the good old days”
Bad language?…..you’ve just called me a Clown?I wondered when some clown would bring out that old chestnut. They were certainly not the good old days and I never said they were, we had a hard time of it and I wouldn’t wish them back. To repeat,yet again, I’m talking about respect for other people who don’t want to listen to constant effing and jeffing for no particular reason. Like anything else that’s overused it tends to lose it’s efficacy.
There aren’t many of them left to align myself with even if I wanted to.To be honest I know a lot of people from what I assume is your generation that say a lot of stuff that really isn't acceptable to many, sometimes they even throw a few expletives in aswell. Better to speak for yourself and not those born over a 20 year timespan, too many of them you wouldn't want to align yourself with!!
Fuck the kids!Every now and then I find myself swearing at Bloomfield Rd, usually at the officials, then glance round guiltily checking there are no kids in close vicinity.
However, as I used to tell the kids when they came to games, what you hear there you don't repeat to family members.
If being called a clown is bad language Charlie Cairoli was being sworn at for a very long time.Bad language?…..you’ve just called me a Clown?
Like I said… Your era had some pretty mixed up values.You’re tarring a whole generation with a brush that wasn’t of their making. Homosexuality was against the law until the late sixties, we didn’t make those laws, there were homophobes then just as there are now, the same applies to the other two. Regarding, so called, physical abuse of children. The majority of children, in those days, weren’t physically punished in any way , I myself was caned once in my whole childhood. The thing that maintained discipline was knowing the threat was there. That’s why we grew up respecting others and not the disobedient, self centred beings we have today.
Good comebackThere aren’t many of them left to align myself with even if I wanted to.
Can’t ** argue with that you auld Twatspunker!Like I said… Your era had some pretty mixed up values.
The threat of physical abuse as a means to enforce your will is totally abhorrent. And plenty of parents regularly chastised their kids with physical abuse (smacks, the belt etc)
Racism was just a way of life… all over the TV
Men could rape their wives until 1992…
You’re right that society has moved on though and in most ways (especially in terms of how we treat others) it has moved on for the better.
Of course their are times where swearing is inappropriate, but please do not try to convince me that your era had some kind of superior moral value system…. It’s simply not true….
Compared to my era your lot were savages.
Nowhere in any of my posts did I mention moral values, superior or otherwise. I was and am talking about respect for other people, and there sensitivities.Like I said… Your era had some pretty mixed up values.
The threat of physical abuse as a means to enforce your will is totally abhorrent. And plenty of parents regularly chastised their kids with physical abuse (smacks, the belt etc)
Racism was just a way of life… all over the TV
Men could rape their wives until 1992…
You’re right that society has moved on though and in most ways (especially in terms of how we treat others) it has moved on for the better.
Of course their are times where swearing is inappropriate, but please do not try to convince me that your era had some kind of superior moral value system…. It’s simply not true….
Compared to my era your lot were savages.
The ones that deliver down my street are not to shabby on the eye, but you’ve just put me off em nowDifferent world now, women I work with swear just as much as the men. All about context and intent for me. The actual words unless directed with violent intent at an individual are just sounds. Can only speak for myself but doesn't bother me whatsoever.
Who invited you, south stander? This is a war between the north and west.The ones that deliver down my street are not to shabby on the eye, but you’ve just put me off em now
Didn't know you were such a sensitive soul, I'm sure they would be gentle with you!!The ones that deliver down my street are not to shabby on the eye, but you’ve just put me off em now
One of ‘em jumped out of a hire van yesterday, have you run out of red vansDidn't know you were such a sensitive soul, I'm sure they would be gentle with you!!
The women keep crashing them!!!One of ‘em jumped out of a hire van yesterday, have you run out of red vans
Ah right I knew there would be a valid reasonThe women keep crashing them!!!
You said that you were brought up in an era where you ‘treated people with respect’Nowhere in any of my posts did I mention moral values, superior or otherwise. I was and am talking about respect for other people, and there sensitivities.