Why I'll stick with Critch

You don't think there's peaks and troughs on most careers then?
Maybe, but his performance at QPR and realisation he isn’t up to managing big ego players at a reasonably sized championship club has probably hit him hard confidence wise. The debacle at Sunderland clearly did for Grayson and this is a similar scenario in my view. Anyhow we are stuck with him so let’s hope there is another peak, I don’t see it myself. Last night looked like he had lost the players as well as a lot of the fans.
 
This is my view entirely.

Am I happy with the season so far? No, of course I'd rather see us competing up at the top end of the division.

Do I recognise that an average season in L1 doesn't mean its all doom and gloom, nor does it signal a lack of ambition. Yes I do. Far bigger clubs than us have come down and made a pigs ear of getting back up for a number of years. We are where we are on merit.

Granted, improvements need to be made on the pitch (the formation for starters), and investment in the playing squad this summer is going to be crucial in us competing. Make no mistake about it, some of the performances have been terrible this season, and last night is arguably up there with being the worst.

If you look at our average league position over the last 40 years, where we are now is about that (notwithstanding the fact that we all want the club to be ambitious). We are not down the bottom of the division as some may lead you to believe.
I don’t think I was alone in hoping for, but not necessarily expecting, an immediate return. But I and I think many others are very disappointed in, the performance of both the team and especially the manager, away from Bloomers. I didn’t want Critchley back, which has been obvious from many of my posts, that didn’t cloud my judgement nor detract from my expectations for a decent season. I support the club and, begrudgingly, Sadlers choice of manager. My illusions, I’m afraid have been shattered and my worst fears realised. Critchley according to people who should know is a very good coach, as many have said he isn’t a manager. He still thinks he’s coaching Liverpool youngsters, where results aren’t particularly important. His in game management re subs etc is terrible, when he does make his 70 minute subs they are like for like no matter what is happening on the pitch. He desperately needs another Calderwood to replace his clueless yes men. Some who has been there and done it, someone who isn’t afraid to tell him what needs to happen during a game. Someone to teach him how to be proactive and not reactive. It was proven at QPR he isn’t a manager, and it’s being reiterated here. Giving him more time, on his own, won’t work. Is Sadler has any ambition for a reasonably early return to Championship football he should tell Critchley he’s having an experienced assistant, whether he wants one or not. If he doesn’t agree, he’s at liberty to leave.
 
Been very quiet after last night Lytham.
Normally banging the drum telling us loads more games to play, many points to fight for, there's always a couple of teams above us who will balls up etc etc.
The quiet majority seemed very conspicuous by their absence last night!!
Possibly fewer straws to clutch at🤷
Because there's no drum left to bang this season.

Are we going to sack a manager every time they don't make the play offs.
 
I don’t think I was alone in hoping for, but not necessarily expecting, an immediate return. But I and I think many others are very disappointed in, the performance of both the team and especially the manager, away from Bloomers. I didn’t want Critchley back, which has been obvious from many of my posts, that didn’t cloud my judgement nor detract from my expectations for a decent season. I support the club and, begrudgingly, Sadlers choice of manager. My illusions, I’m afraid have been shattered and my worst fears realised. Critchley according to people who should know is a very good coach, as many have said he isn’t a manager. He still thinks he’s coaching Liverpool youngsters, where results aren’t particularly important. His in game management re subs etc is terrible, when he does make his 70 minute subs they are like for like no matter what is happening on the pitch. He desperately needs another Calderwood to replace his clueless yes men. Some who has been there and done it, someone who isn’t afraid to tell him what needs to happen during a game. Someone to teach him how to be proactive and not reactive. It was proven at QPR he isn’t a manager, and it’s being reiterated here. Giving him more time, on his own, won’t work. Is Sadler has any ambition for a reasonably early return to Championship football he should tell Critchley he’s having an experienced assistant, whether he wants one or not. If he doesn’t agree, he’s at liberty to leave.
Amen to that Albert. Spot on.
 
Because there's no drum left to bang this season.

Are we going to sack a manager every time they don't make the play offs.
It’s not about sacking him to make the playoffs. It’s about either sacking him or imposing an experienced sounding board assistant to prevent Critchley running us into the ground next season.
 
It’s not about sacking him to make the playoffs. It’s about either sacking him or imposing an experienced sounding board assistant to prevent Critchley running us into the ground next season.
Because we didn't make the play offs?
 
It's not a good day for reasonableness. Today's all about blood-letting and condemning Critchly to the guillotine.

That said, short-termism achieves nothing. Here's hoping we can hit the ground running next term.
 
I don’t think I was alone in hoping for, but not necessarily expecting, an immediate return. But I and I think many others are very disappointed in, the performance of both the team and especially the manager, away from Bloomers. I didn’t want Critchley back, which has been obvious from many of my posts, that didn’t cloud my judgement nor detract from my expectations for a decent season. I support the club and, begrudgingly, Sadlers choice of manager. My illusions, I’m afraid have been shattered and my worst fears realised. Critchley according to people who should know is a very good coach, as many have said he isn’t a manager. He still thinks he’s coaching Liverpool youngsters, where results aren’t particularly important. His in game management re subs etc is terrible, when he does make his 70 minute subs they are like for like no matter what is happening on the pitch. He desperately needs another Calderwood to replace his clueless yes men. Some who has been there and done it, someone who isn’t afraid to tell him what needs to happen during a game. Someone to teach him how to be proactive and not reactive. It was proven at QPR he isn’t a manager, and it’s being reiterated here. Giving him more time, on his own, won’t work. Is Sadler has any ambition for a reasonably early return to Championship football he should tell Critchley he’s having an experienced assistant, whether he wants one or not. If he doesn’t agree, he’s at liberty to leave.
Would an experienced No2 want to work with Critchley?
Now they all know what he's like (Villa, QPR and this season) they'd probably not be able to get their thoughts through to him☹️
 
It's not a good day for reasonableness. Today's all about blood-letting and condemning Critchly to the guillotine.

That said, short-termism achieves nothing. Here's hoping we can hit the ground running next term.
Sacking him now would be a long term decision I the best interests of the club. I’d back that. Still lots of games to go and nothing to play for either way so zero risk. Allowing him another year to drive us even further into the ground is just a short term easy option.
 
Judged over what period?
since he returned to the club…we finished last season with a bit of pride restored and should have been able to kick on. Instead he’s turned us into the footballing equivalent of a Magnolia living room then blaming the team of painters when it was him who ordered the fricking paint …as soon as his Mrs expressed the need for change and a bit more excitement he’s sat on his arse insisting it’s all fine.
 
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Judged over what period?
In contention for manager of the month a week ago, don't forget.

I was there last night. It was terrible, but I'm also familiar with the phrase throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I don't see the benefit of sacking the manager at this point when the transfer window is shut.

Let's see where we are at the end of the season. In February 2021, there were people on here, probably the same ones shouting now, saying he has to go, we've blown the playoffs.

Maybe we have, but it's not completely over. Things have to change on the road. Its got to the point of being psychological now, where everyone including the players, expects to lose. Its writ large if we concede first.

However it's not completely over.
 
No because we aren’t improving, we are deteriorating and he is doing nothing to resolve that and appears incapable of doing so. I get you don’t agree.
I see what you mean Clappers and in my most disillusioned moments I tend to agree. However, think of what it's like for the first 5 minutes after a raft of substitutes in a game. We can look all at sea. Things take time to bed in. After the window - and losing Rhodes to injury - we are a bit at sixes and sevens. We will get going again but, for me at least, it'll be too late this season. So we go again next season.

The current culture in football is all short-termism. But the great successes happen with managers who've been given time: Busby, Clough, Stein, Shankly, Klopp, Ferguson, Wenger and, in his time, Joe Smith. I say we give long-termism a go with Critchley and see how we do. And yes, his style of play frustrates the hell out of me.
 
So lets sack Critch......

In the last 10 years (almost to the day)....we've had 14 managers (3 interim for a few months )
That works out at an average of 11 months per full time Manager..........Some got even less than 11 months.

If you were an up and coming manager or an established manager with thoughts of getting to the Prem....would you come here?
Knowing how long you're given by the fans before they chop you off at the knee's because you're not winning everything

Give the man a bit of a chance to succeed.......You're just complaining because we're not getting automatically promoted or maybe because he hurt your feelings when he left to go to villa and increase his wages by £700,000

Support until you can't support them any further.....but were not there yet with Critch
Yes, yesterday was a 100% shit show.......but think how Portsmouth, Bolton and Forest fans felt when we played them
Everyone has at least one shit day at work

Sadler may pot him because 'certain' people keep shouting no matter what we win or how we do......But we could be losing an excellent coach.
I think he needs to get another season......I do think he's a good coach (but maybe not a manager)......so rather then kill off any hope and blindly believe Dobbie or Bowyer are the answer.......just give the guy some support and that will give him the backing to succeed.

Do you know that Holloway had a 38% win rate when he left the club
Critchley had a 43% the first time and today he has a 47% win rate.....Maybe Sadler needs to offer him the support....and Critch needs to accept it
 
As I recall it, when NC was appointed for the first time, a strong part of the logic was the Liverpool connection, as NC was an untested youth coach.

That link does not seem to have been very active this time around. And unlikely to be next season when Klopp will have gone.

I think the rest of this season is consolidation and planning for the next. NC will get until at least Christmas, and I can see why from the SS viewpoint of club stability.

The brave decision might be to start afresh in June but who would we get? The risk is equal to sticking with NC. But better than to be forced into a mid-season sacking, I suppose.
 
I never thought 'bouncing back' at the first attempt was going to be that easy. Not many clubs do it and there are enough clubs still in League One like Portsmouth, Derby, Bolton, Barnsley, Charlton etc who have struggled to get to grips with this league.
Despite being appointed a few weeks after the season ended, the fact we had changes with Mansford etc, I don't think our window last season was as good as they would have hoped and we're all in agreement there were a few positions we struggled filling. Not getting Rhodes in the first few games, Joseph and Beesley's injury, the injuries to Lavery and Kouassi has meant our forward line has been a bit stop/start but we've seen enough examples of how effective that can be.
Midfield has struggled for me considering we play a 5 and whilst we have the bodies, I don't feel we have the right personnel and defence has been a bit of an achilles heel and is probably where we need most work.
We are a work in progress and as loathed as Critchley's formation is, I can see what he's trying to do. He's far from blameless - predictable team selections, no Plan B and not getting to grips with teams on the road (and showing them way too much respect) has been a problem.
However, go back to the Billy Ayre era - dominant at home but we struggled away and yet no one called for his head.
The club has a plan and I would give Critchley two more windows. January could help us get a running start next season and the summer is important. There is a lot of deadwood and I hope, unlike with Hamilton, that they don't just keep what we have.
We have a 3rd round FA Cup game and a quarter final in the BSM Trophy to come and anyone writing us off with 21 games to go and just 7 points off the Top 6 is being very pessimistic.
I still think we are in with a shout this season but more than that it would be daft to throw out our plans after 6 months.
I get things aren't great and I have been as frustrated as anyone but let's stick together and see if we can't just string a few wins together and who knows pull off a couple of cup shocks?
Utter nonsense. Just the delusional supporter that people like Critchley needs to steal a living.
 
So lets sack Critch......

In the last 10 years (almost to the day)....we've had 14 managers (3 interim for a few months )
That works out at an average of 11 months per full time Manager..........Some got even less than 11 months.

If you were an up and coming manager or an established manager with thoughts of getting to the Prem....would you come here?
Knowing how long you're given by the fans before they chop you off at the knee's because you're not winning everything

Give the man a bit of a chance to succeed.......You're just complaining because we're not getting automatically promoted or maybe because he hurt your feelings when he left to go to villa and increase his wages by £700,000

Support until you can't support them any further.....but were not there yet with Critch
Yes, yesterday was a 100% shit show.......but think how Portsmouth, Bolton and Forest fans felt when we played them
Everyone has at least one shit day at work

Sadler may pot him because 'certain' people keep shouting no matter what we win or how we do......But we could be losing an excellent coach.
I think he needs to get another season......I do think he's a good coach (but maybe not a manager)......so rather then kill off any hope and blindly believe Dobbie or Bowyer are the answer.......just give the guy some support and that will give him the backing to succeed.

Do you know that Holloway had a 38% win rate when he left the club
Critchley had a 43% the first time and today he has a 47% win rate.....Maybe Sadler needs to offer him the support....and Critch needs to accept it
I agree with this however let's not forget that a good portion of Holloway's games were in the PL.
 
Because we didn't make the play

I see what you mean Clappers and in my most disillusioned moments I tend to agree. However, think of what it's like for the first 5 minutes after a raft of substitutes in a game. We can look all at sea. Things take time to bed in. After the window - and losing Rhodes to injury - we are a bit at sixes and sevens. We will get going again but, for me at least, it'll be too late this season. So we go again next season.

The current culture in football is all short-termism. But the great successes happen with managers who've been given time: Busby, Clough, Stein, Shankly, Klopp, Ferguson, Wenger and, in his time, Joe Smith. I say we give long-termism a go with Critchley and see how we do. And yes, his style of play frustrates the hell out of me.
Your patience is admirable, but I think misguided. I don’t think Critchley is the answer long or short term. We need to start again from scratch.
 
I never thought 'bouncing back' at the first attempt was going to be that easy. Not many clubs do it and there are enough clubs still in League One like Portsmouth, Derby, Bolton, Barnsley, Charlton etc who have struggled to get to grips with this league.
Despite being appointed a few weeks after the season ended, the fact we had changes with Mansford etc, I don't think our window last season was as good as they would have hoped and we're all in agreement there were a few positions we struggled filling. Not getting Rhodes in the first few games, Joseph and Beesley's injury, the injuries to Lavery and Kouassi has meant our forward line has been a bit stop/start but we've seen enough examples of how effective that can be.
Midfield has struggled for me considering we play a 5 and whilst we have the bodies, I don't feel we have the right personnel and defence has been a bit of an achilles heel and is probably where we need most work.
We are a work in progress and as loathed as Critchley's formation is, I can see what he's trying to do. He's far from blameless - predictable team selections, no Plan B and not getting to grips with teams on the road (and showing them way too much respect) has been a problem.
However, go back to the Billy Ayre era - dominant at home but we struggled away and yet no one called for his head.
The club has a plan and I would give Critchley two more windows. January could help us get a running start next season and the summer is important. There is a lot of deadwood and I hope, unlike with Hamilton, that they don't just keep what we have.
We have a 3rd round FA Cup game and a quarter final in the BSM Trophy to come and anyone writing us off with 21 games to go and just 7 points off the Top 6 is being very pessimistic.
I still think we are in with a shout this season but more than that it would be daft to throw out our plans after 6 months.
I get things aren't great and I have been as frustrated as anyone but let's stick together and see if we can't just string a few wins together and who knows pull off a couple of cup shocks?
Your post flatters to deceive. Our injuries this season have not been that bad, and Joseph came to us injured. Lavery and Kouassi will always get injured due to the nature of the way they play and the fact that Critchley hasn't coached them to play smarter. In fact who has improved under his tenure? Maybe Gabriel but he might have improved under his own cognizance. Our team makes the same mistakes now as they did at the start of the season and seems poorly conditioned compared to our opponents. We fade in the last quarter. We don't know if the club has any more of a plan than the Oyston era because up to now we are in no better position than their time at the club save for some maintenance work. It's not being pessimistic it's being smart to say we've no chance of promotion. Critchley has learned nothing and we play the same way each week. Doing the same and expecting a different result is the hallmark of insanity - well, at least according to Einstein, it is.

The cup shocks are meaningless apart from offsetting our losses due to being in League One.
 
IT WAS ALL CALDERWOOD!

Why don't we appoint him then?
Because he's landed himself a nice little earner on the books with Championship side Southampton FC. And tell me, who in their right mind would want to come from a club with ambitions of an immediate return to the Premiership, to one where there is absolutely no sense of passion or spirit, which is managed by a rather non-descript individual whose vocabulary doesn't stretch much beyond issuing a few "Errr" references, and who basically presents as someone totally bereft of ideas, and, given that he is without an able, or capable assistant to maybe guide or advise him, with each passing day, he is beginning to look, more and more, like the proverbial fish out of water.

Calderwood? Make a return to Bloomfield Road? Against that backdrop? You are 'avi a laugh - right!?
 
Because he's landed himself a nice little earner on the books with Championship side Southampton FC. And tell me, who in their right mind would want to come from a club with ambitions of an immediate return to the Premiership, to one where there is absolutely no sense of passion or spirit, which is managed by a rather non-descript individual whose vocabulary doesn't stretch much beyond issuing a few "Errr" references, and who basically presents as someone totally bereft of ideas, and, given that he is without an able, or capable assistant to maybe guide or advise him, with each passing day, he is beginning to look, more and more, like the proverbial fish out of water.

Calderwood? Make a return to Bloomfield Road? Against that backdrop? You are 'avi a laugh - right!?
Yes I was.
 
Maybe, but his performance at QPR and realisation he isn’t up to managing big ego players at a reasonably sized championship club has probably hit him hard confidence wise. The debacle at Sunderland clearly did for Grayson and this is a similar scenario in my view. Anyhow we are stuck with him so let’s hope there is another peak, I don’t see it myself. Last night looked like he had lost the players as well as a lot of the fans.
I think we also need to factor in that he’s now much more financially secure than when he was here last.

Decent pay-out from Villa and then QPR.

I don’t care what anyone says, money is a major factor in mindset, the more you get, the less the hunger is and there’s also some scarring for NC after his failures. This is not the head coach able to adapt in game that we saw 1st time around.

Josh Bowler since he got the Forest move a prime example.
 
Why does Critchley have to have a babysitter?
He's been in the professional game all his working life, he's been in charge of us twice, QPR and was a coach at Villa. If he can't be the senior man in our coaching staff then get rid and bring in somebody that knows what they are doing.
 
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So lets sack Critch......

In the last 10 years (almost to the day)....we've had 14 managers (3 interim for a few months )
That works out at an average of 11 months per full time Manager..........Some got even less than 11 months.

If you were an up and coming manager or an established manager with thoughts of getting to the Prem....would you come here?
Knowing how long you're given by the fans before they chop you off at the knee's because you're not winning everything

Give the man a bit of a chance to succeed.......You're just complaining because we're not getting automatically promoted or maybe because he hurt your feelings when he left to go to villa and increase his wages by £700,000

Support until you can't support them any further.....but were not there yet with Critch
Yes, yesterday was a 100% shit show.......but think how Portsmouth, Bolton and Forest fans felt when we played them
Everyone has at least one shit day at work

Sadler may pot him because 'certain' people keep shouting no matter what we win or how we do......But we could be losing an excellent coach.
I think he needs to get another season......I do think he's a good coach (but maybe not a manager)......so rather then kill off any hope and blindly believe Dobbie or Bowyer are the answer.......just give the guy some support and that will give him the backing to succeed.

Do you know that Holloway had a 38% win rate when he left the club
Critchley had a 43% the first time and today he has a 47% win rate.....Maybe Sadler needs to offer him the support....and Critch needs to accept it
I would agree if I could see some progress and lessons being learnt but there isn't and I'm not.
If he doesn't get a positive reaction from the squad at Peterborough I think it's time for him to leave.
 
I have to agree.

We need to see something/anything in the next game…..or even the remaining 13

Common sense says you give him the chance to win, the chance to get into the playoffs, the chance to build for another season

It should be there if we just miss out but it’s all relative as ‘fans’ seem to be more interested in getting rid than pushing for the play offs

Throwing baby out with the bath water comes to mind….but why try and rally against the pack…just another example of Deja Vu in Blackpool history and on to another guy to have a bitch at
 
So lets sack Critch......

In the last 10 years (almost to the day)....we've had 14 managers (3 interim for a few months )
That works out at an average of 11 months per full time Manager..........Some got even less than 11 months.

If you were an up and coming manager or an established manager with thoughts of getting to the Prem....would you come here?
Knowing how long you're given by the fans before they chop you off at the knee's because you're not winning everything

Give the man a bit of a chance to succeed.......You're just complaining because we're not getting automatically promoted or maybe because he hurt your feelings when he left to go to villa and increase his wages by £700,000

Support until you can't support them any further.....but were not there yet with Critch
Yes, yesterday was a 100% shit show.......but think how Portsmouth, Bolton and Forest fans felt when we played them
Everyone has at least one shit day at work

Sadler may pot him because 'certain' people keep shouting no matter what we win or how we do......But we could be losing an excellent coach.
I think he needs to get another season......I do think he's a good coach (but maybe not a manager)......so rather then kill off any hope and blindly believe Dobbie or Bowyer are the answer.......just give the guy some support and that will give him the backing to succeed.

Do you know that Holloway had a 38% win rate when he left the club
Critchley had a 43% the first time and today he has a 47% win rate.....Maybe Sadler needs to offer him the support....and Critch needs to accept it
yep, a fair bit of bollux in that. Holloway managed us in the PL where a win rate percentage is much harder to come by than in L1. for a team like us. And everyone has at least one shit day at work? Well Critchley has managed 32 league games this season so that's 32 days. I'd say over half of those have been "shit" days so god knows why you deliberately understate it by saying at least one. You are simply making excuses to try and justify the shit show we are seeing.

Yep, absolute ** nonsense post from you
 
Do you know that Holloway had a 38% win rate when he left the club
So what..he got us to the Premier, almost kept us there (except for minuscule funding from the Stains and incredibly biased refereeing) and except for a very lucky WHU, nearly got us back again.

We're now losing regularly to bottom six teams and not even competing against them.

If Critchley is that good a coach, keep him and get a proper Manager in.
 
Bookmarked this one at the start of the year to see whether @Hereforthefootball had a point or not.
Think it's fair to say all the o/p said was pretty valid and had it not been for a defeat here and there we might already be in the Top 6.
What I hope is that Critchley realises (especially at the start of the season) we need entertainment as well as results and actually for me the two go hand in hand.
 
Bookmarked this one at the start of the year to see whether @Hereforthefootball had a point or not.
Think it's fair to say all the o/p said was pretty valid and had it not been for a defeat here and there we might already be in the Top 6.
What I hope is that Critchley realises (especially at the start of the season) we need entertainment as well as results and actually for me the two go hand in hand.
There is enough promise with these performances to stick with Critch - we’re still fighting for top 6 with a game to go and have one of the best home forms in the division.

A few months off for Critch to reflect on the season, alongside a pre season to iron out the holes in our game, then I think we will be right there next year. I’ve got faith in him to bring in similar quality loans as this year, alongside hopefully getting Byers/Coulson on a permenant.
 
Bookmarked this one at the start of the year to see whether @Hereforthefootball had a point or not.
Think it's fair to say all the o/p said was pretty valid and had it not been for a defeat here and there we might already be in the Top 6.
What I hope is that Critchley realises (especially at the start of the season) we need entertainment as well as results and actually for me the two go hand in hand.
A lot of us are of the same opinion. Unfortunately the ones who matter don’t appear to think the same.
 
There is enough promise with these performances to stick with Critch - we’re still fighting for top 6 with a game to go and have one of the best home forms in the division.

A few months off for Critch to reflect on the season, alongside a pre season to iron out the holes in our game, then I think we will be right there next year. I’ve got faith in him to bring in similar quality loans as this year, alongside hopefully getting Byers/Coulson on a permenant.
We shouldn’t be fighting for the top 6. We should be at least solidly in there, our home form is irrelevant as our final game is away and our away form is…….
 
How many relegated teams have a hangover? The three down in the championship the year before didn’t go back up. Pompey have waited 12 years to go back.
I appreciate what you’re saying, but I am not interested in what others have or haven’t done, it’s what we do I’m interested in. As we proved at Peterborough, Pompey and again on Saturday we can compete with any team in this division when we play as we know we can. When the head coach stops slavishly following his possession above all mantra and believes in our attacking style we will all be much happier and, dare I say, in a better league position. I just hope these game have encouraged him to have more faith in the players and change his philosophy slightly.
 
I appreciate what you’re saying, but I am not interested in what others have or haven’t done, it’s what we do I’m interested in. As we proved at Peterborough, Pompey and again on Saturday we can compete with any team in this division when we play as we know we can. When the head coach stops slavishly following his possession above all mantra and believes in our attacking style we will all be much happier and, dare I say, in a better league position. I just hope these game have encouraged him to have more faith in the players and change his philosophy slightly.

The point not being about others but a hangover for the players to rid themselves of the depression of relegation last season, plus new(old) manager wanting to play a different system to the car crash of last season which also takes time to bed in. We had a weakness at left back with Thompson that was sorted in January but cost us early season, Buyers has also made a huge difference.
 
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