Why oh why

Philbfctrois

Philbfctrois

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Didn't we sign a right back so we had 2 specialist ones for when the season started

Didn't we sign a back up striker to share the load with an knackered patched up Madine

Didn't we sign a central midfield player who could replace an injury prone Kevin Stewart

Didn't we sign a proper replacement for our best most creative player Josh Bowler

Didn't we sign a leader in defence to replace the experienced Richard Keogh
 
Philbfctrois said:
Didn't we sign a right back so we had 2 specialist ones for when the season started

Didn't we sign a back up striker to share the load with an knackered patched up Madine

Didn't we sign a central midfield player who could replace an injury prone Kevin Stewart

Didn't we sign a proper replacement for our best most creative player Josh Bowler

Didn't we sign a leader in defence to replace the experienced Richard Keogh
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None of the above is hindsight its fcuking common sense

Questions have to be asked of Sadler and Mansford
 
no9 said:
Last year we had Sterling, Keogh, Anderson, Bowler.
We also had Stewart and Wintle that played quite a few games.
So much more experience.
I felt sorry for the players, manager and the fans last night - we had no chance.
Desperately need Bridcutt to come back in for the Wigan game.
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Yep bang on more experienced players and not just signing any old loans to fill a place

In this league against the calibre of players we are facing we have to be at it 100% and with the current injuries and illnesses that just isn't possible at 2 games a week with a lacking squad

Crooks and Mowett were subs for them that really shows up our squad when we are having to play a recently released Grant Ward out of position
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Thought Andy Lyons is a right back?

Whoever agreed to sign him and then keep him over there for the season needs calling out.

Bullshit Ben again?

Should have insisted he came in the Summer fuck a bit extra on the fee what cost is relegation?
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There's also no guarantees that he's an answer to anything as he's been playing left wing back in Ireland and it will take time to adjust to the championship and coming over here to live. There'll be too much pressure on him from the 1st Jan and wouldn't surprise me if Connolly continues at right back which would get us no further.

No money, no consistency and a lot of complacency seems to be the common theme to me.

Recruiting for league one with execs on championship salaries
 
Philbfctrois said:
Didn't we sign a right back so we had 2 specialist ones for when the season started

Didn't we sign a back up striker to share the load with an knackered patched up Madine

Didn't we sign a central midfield player who could replace an injury prone Kevin Stewart

Didn't we sign a proper replacement for our best most creative player Josh Bowler

Didn't we sign a leader in defence to replace the experienced Richard Keogh
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Remember this gem from Sadler.

“I see we’re getting criticised for starting the season again without a right-back, well that’s actually completely incorrect because we’ve got two in Jordan Gabriel, who is very close to coming back, and Callum Connolly who funnily enough managed to score the only goal on Saturday and yet again proved himself to be really versatile. Now, are we lighter in that position than we otherwise wanted to be? Probably. But it’s not like all those years ago when we played Nottingham Forest on the first game of the season.”

So there you have it 🙄
 
Adams Kebab said:
Remember this gem from Sadler.

“I see we’re getting criticised for starting the season again without a right-back, well that’s actually completely incorrect because we’ve got two in Jordan Gabriel, who is very close to coming back, and Callum Connolly who funnily enough managed to score the only goal on Saturday and yet again proved himself to be really versatile. Now, are we lighter in that position than we otherwise wanted to be? Probably. But it’s not like all those years ago when we played Nottingham Forest on the first game of the season.”

So there you have it 🙄
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Yeah the famous interview or club shut up statement as I call it
 
poolfc said:
There's also no guarantees that he's an answer to anything as he's been playing left wing back in Ireland and it will take time to adjust to the championship and coming over here to live. There'll be too much pressure on him from the 1st Jan and wouldn't surprise me if Connolly continues at right back which would get us no further.

No money, no consistency and a lot of complacency seems to be the common theme to me.

Recruiting for league one with execs on championship salaries
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Yep it's a gamble
 
Transfers get completed in the window. At our level they begin much earlier as can’t just throw money at an immediate need.

When Critchley left us with no ** notice, then all the work done in anticipation of completing deals was wasted.

The additions made after Appleton’s initially hurried assessments of the squad haven’t delivered.

My worry is that our present position will make the sort of recruitment we need even harder to achieve by early January.

Critchley’s the one at the root of all this mess.
 
Well first things first; the current predicament is not good, but it's also not as terrible as some are making out. A win at Wigan would have us on the path to 55 points, which would be more than enough to stay up. We would also have more than half a season to work on and a transfer window to correct the obvious wrongs of the summer.

However, recruitment is critical to this. It's becoming increasingly apparent that a lot of gambles have been taken on players with Championship ability, but highly questionable injury records. The players who are consistently fit also constitute a larger proportion of the squad who don't have proven Championship ability, or we know are weaker based on performances over a substantial number of games.

If we don't come out of the next window with a new CB, a new CM and a new CF then it's going to be touch and go in terms of staying up. And those 3 signings all need to be physically fit and strong and either proven at Championship level or ready to go from match 1.
 
Dark_Side_of_the_Lune said:
Transfers get completed in the window. At our level they begin much earlier as can’t just throw money at an immediate need.

When Critchley left us with no ** notice, then all the work done in anticipation of completing deals was wasted.

The additions made after Appleton’s initially hurried assessments of the squad haven’t delivered.

My worry is that our present position will make the sort of recruitment we need even harder to achieve by early January.

Critchley’s the one at the root of all this mess.
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I disagree. The reason for the recruitment team is that it doesn’t matter who the manager is, they do the deals and the manager fits them in. Yes the manager will have a say, but that work shouldn’t have changed too much….. so we were told.

The team is very similar to last season, which is another argument, however they are not improving and we are actually much poorer than last season. Marv is a prime example of that. He isn’t a patch on the player he was last season. Our passing this season compared to last is woeful, another example and the manager has to take the blame for that.
 
straightatthewall said:
Well first things first; the current predicament is not good, but it's also not as terrible as some are making out. A win at Wigan would have us on the path to 55 points, which would be more than enough to stay up. We would also have more than half a season to work on and a transfer window to correct the obvious wrongs of the summer.

However, recruitment is critical to this. It's becoming increasingly apparent that a lot of gambles have been taken on players with Championship ability, but highly questionable injury records. The players who are consistently fit also constitute a larger proportion of the squad who don't have proven Championship ability, or we know are weaker based on performances over a substantial number of games.

If we don't come out of the next window with a new CB, a new CM and a new CF then it's going to be touch and go in terms of staying up. And those 3 signings all need to be physically fit and strong and either proven at Championship level or ready to go from match 1.
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The only way you will get proven Championship players to come to Blackpool in January is big wages and I can't see that happening.
Desperately need Bridcutt and Stewart to play at least 10 games a piece🙏🙏
 
no9 said:
The only way you will get proven Championship players to come to Blackpool in January is big wages and I can't see that happening.
Desperately need Bridcutt and Stewart to play at least 10 games a piece🙏🙏
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Of the two proposed options, I would say that Bridcutt and Stewart playing 10 games a piece is even less likely than us paying big wages.
 
SeasideSid said:
I disagree. The reason for the recruitment team is that it doesn’t matter who the manager is, they do the deals and the manager fits them in. Yes the manager will have a say, but that work shouldn’t have changed too much….. so we were told.

The team is very similar to last season, which is another argument, however they are not improving and we are actually much poorer than last season. Marv is a prime example of that. He isn’t a patch on the player he was last season. Our passing this season compared to last is woeful, another example and the manager has to take the blame for that.
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Yep we were told that there was a clear recruitment policy so it didn't matter if a head coach left

More bullshit ....

I think the reason for Marvs poor form is more down to not having an experienced head like Keogh next to him than anything Appleton has told him

I don't agree that we are "much poorer" at all the points tally is very similar and some of our performances have been just as good if not better this season

We are struggling now as our squad is weaker in key positions
 
The fiasco regarding the Bowler transfer has now come home to roost. Also the poor form of Marv is a major concern he can't be dropped as there's no replacement. I don't blame Appleton for this situation it's the so called recruitment team who have failed miserably.
 
SirHarryThomson said:
The fiasco regarding the Bowler transfer has now come home to roost. Also the poor form of Marv is a major concern he can't be dropped as there's no replacement. I don't blame Appleton for this situation it's the so called recruitment team who have failed miserably.
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Yep I got a right load of abuse for daring to suggest we keep Bowler instead of "cashing in"

Fcuking bizarre fans we have
 
Philbfctrois said:
Yep we were told that there was a clear recruitment policy so it didn't matter if a head coach left

More bullshit ....

I think the reason for Marvs poor form is more down to not having an experienced head like Keogh next to him than anything Appleton has told him

I don't agree that we are "much poorer" at all the points tally is very similar and some of our performances have been just as good if not better this season

We are struggling now as our squad is weaker in key positions
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Keogh is a massive loss, I said this last night and it has impacted Marv - I agree. But as a coach, the players aren’t improving or developing as they appeared under Critchley. I don’t want to get into a debate of Critch V Appleton, but looking at this team we haven’t improved. A different level, but look at Newcastle. Similar players that played for Bruce now play for Howe and look how much they’ve improved on an individual basis.

I have gave Appleton the benefit of the doubt until now, and blamed the board and recruitment team for the shambles of the summer. However when you look at how we are performing currently it is dire. Yes we’ve played really well in parts and I agree, in those parts we played better football than we did over the course of last season, however playing well in parts isn’t good enough. It won’t keep us in this division.

To add another point, what do our medical team do? How many hamstring injuries have we had this season? There is something not right with either the training, or lack of from what I hear, or the medical team aren’t up to it.
 
SeasideSid said:
Keogh is a massive loss, I said this last night and it has impacted Marv - I agree. But as a coach, the players aren’t improving or developing as they appeared under Critchley. I don’t want to get into a debate of Critch V Appleton, but looking at this team we haven’t improved. A different level, but look at Newcastle. Similar players that played for Bruce now play for Howe and look how much they’ve improved on an individual basis.

I have gave Appleton the benefit of the doubt until now, and blamed the board and recruitment team for the shambles of the summer. However when you look at how we are performing currently it is dire. Yes we’ve played really well in parts and I agree, in those parts we played better football than we did over the course of last season, however playing well in parts isn’t good enough. It won’t keep us in this division.
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We have lost 3 games in a row before that we won 2 it's not like we lose every single week

The problem we have is the lack of depth in the squad that's what is effecting us now
 
The writing was on the wall when we appointed Appleton. That was the first mistake. The board knew it wouldn't be a popular appointment so why do it? Then to offer a 4 year contract was even more bizarre. Not saying Appleton is completely to blame but all this could have been avoided if we managed to appoint another dare I say Neil Critchley. I am not one for shouting Appleton out or booing the players as negativity breeds more negativity and then we have absolutely no chance. I just think the appointment put us on the backfoot from the very start.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
The writing was on the wall when we appointed Appleton. That was the first mistake. The board knew it wouldn't be a popular appointment so why do it? Then to offer a 4 year contract was even more bizarre. Not saying Appleton is completely to blame but all this could have been avoided if we managed to appoint another dare I say Neil Critchley. I am not one for shouting Appleton out or booing the players as negativity breeds more negativity and then we have absolutely no chance. I just think the appointment put us on the backfoot from the very start.
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It's got fcuk all to do with if it's popular or not

The club appointed him yet have failed to back him

That's the problem
 
Still disagree with you re Bowler. It would not have been a good decision to keep him and not get some return on investment. We simply don't have the cash to fritter away like that. Replacing him was always going to be hard and we've obviously not done that.
 
Philbfctrois said:
It's got fcuk all to do with if it's popular or not

The club appointed him yet have failed to back him

That's the problem
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They could have provided the same backing to someone more popular and of a similar level and at least maintained the feelgood factor. Apples is just too 'meh' for most and his general body language and demeanor does nothing to change that view.
 
Philbfctrois said:
We have lost 3 games in a row before that we won 2 it's not like we lose every single week

The problem we have is the lack of depth in the squad that's what is effecting us now
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It’s more than just the defeats, it’s the manner of them. We are dross 90% of the time.
 
straightatthewall said:
Still disagree with you re Bowler. It would not have been a good decision to keep him and not get some return on investment. We simply don't have the cash to fritter away like that. Replacing him was always going to be hard and we've obviously not done that.
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What investment, he cost us nothing

It will cost the club around 7 million if we get relegated, we got what for Bowler 3 million

Shite business that
 
Appleton's choice of players have been within the budget he's been allowed and what he can influence. Patino came because of him, and Bridcutt was the nearest he could get to a solution for the midfield to have more bite. A younger fitter version will cost money. He/we have been lumbered with Stewart.
 
Players came to the club last season because of Critch. Appleton does not have the same pull. There was clearly money in the bank from the sale of Bowler otherwise no fee would have been agreed for Brannagan.

Failure to attract what we needed in the summer is a failure which signing a half crocked Bridcutt and already rejected Ward was never going to solve.

I want to see something approaching a team playing with some cohesion on Saturday otherwise we are in need of a change before it’s too late. A new manager coming in ready for January with a new manager bounce will give us the best chance to avoid a relegation battle.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Of course he would the squad is considerably weaker currently than anything Critchley had at his disposal
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Yes I know,that's why he said we massively overachieved last season,he's a job on to emulate what Critchley achieved last season and he knows it.He must have known the constraints he was under when he took the job though
 
haggertyf said:
Yes I know,that's why he said we massively overachieved last season,he's a job on to emulate what Critchley achieved last season and he knows it.He must have known the constraints he was under when he took the job though
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I'm not sure he did

Did he really think the club would miss out on virtually all their targets and end up having to re sign Grant Ward
 
SeasideSid said:
I disagree. The reason for the recruitment team is that it doesn’t matter who the manager is, they do the deals and the manager fits them in. Yes the manager will have a say, but that work shouldn’t have changed too much….. so we were told.

The team is very similar to last season, which is another argument, however they are not improving and we are actually much poorer than last season. Marv is a prime example of that. He isn’t a patch on the player he was last season. Our passing this season compared to last is woeful, another example and the manager has to take the blame for that.
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Nonsense. The manager has the final say on all the transfers.
 
BISONS said:
Nonsense. The manager has the final say on all the transfers.
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I did say the manager will have a say, if you read it.

What I said about the recruitment team is what Mansford said in his last interview, so by all means have a listen and come back to me.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I'm not sure he did

Did he really think the club would miss out on virtually all their targets and end up having to re sign Grant Ward
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He must have known the budget and the wage structure surely?
Remember Critchley didn't get Brannigan either last season.



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Philbfctrois said:
Didn't we sign a right back so we had 2 specialist ones for when the season started

Didn't we sign a back up striker to share the load with an knackered patched up Madine

Didn't we sign a central midfield player who could replace an injury prone Kevin Stewart

Didn't we sign a proper replacement for our best most creative player Josh Bowler

Didn't we sign a leader in defence to replace the experienced Richard Keogh
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Agree, and why oh why ...

Can't the coaches see that playing 433 with our squad leaves us exposed in midfield - every ** game.
Do we think Kenny is strong, quick, and good enough to play in a midfield 3 at this level - needs 4.
Do we think CJ is any where near to competing at this level.
Does Carey look ok sometimes, and then you forget he's on the park.
Don't we fight like men possessed.
Do the players have that haunted, we're gonna lose look as soon as we concede.
 
The squad was undercooked and everyone knew it.


You make your own luck.

For once I agree with Phil, if key areas were addressed properly we’d still be struggling as we have been unlucky with injuries, but we’d have given Appleton and the players the best chance possible.

The fact they haven’t got that is a joke really.
 
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