Why Russia is Invading Ukraine

The military convey converging on Kyiv is now 17 miles long. The ukrs surely can’t stop the Russians taking control of the capital faced with that much firepower and soldiers. Regrettably, it’s going to be bloody. Someone needs to take Putin out.

270,00 German soldiers 500 Tanks and 3,000 Artillery guns (more as the siege went on) of Army group south surrounded what was then Stalingrad but they still failed to take it, an estimated 2m people died from both sides and it went down in history as the bloodiest battle ever.

Over a million Germans soldiers 2,000 Tanks (rising to 3,000) 14,000 Artillery guns of Army group north/central got to the outskirts of Moscow but once again they failed to take it.

And yes whilst facing overwhelming odds all is not lost.
 
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The Ukraine troops now have hundreds of anti tank weapons. They only need to take out a few of the vehicles in that convoy, the road would be blocked and that would slow the progress. They can then “hit and run” at various points and stop the Russians.

🙏🏻 Hopefully
 
The Ukraine troops now have hundreds of anti tank weapons. They only need to take out a few of the vehicles in that convoy, the road would be blocked and that would slow the progress. They can then “hit and run” at various points and stop the Russians.

🙏🏻 Hopefully

The problem is that the Ukrainians can delay the Russians, but they can't push them back (outside of cities anyway), so it's only a matter of time.

The only hope for them is that if they can drag it on long enough, Putin is somehow removed from office and whoever follows him decides to withdraw.
 
I've now heard a broadly similar viewpoint from several seasoned observers & academics.

There are already videos & reports of Russian tanks running out of fuel and soldiers looting & begging for food.
If Ukraine can hold out for another 5/6 days, the faltering Russian supply lines - often operating through hostile territory - will break down completely and Putin's campaign will inexorably fail.

Putin should know that Hitler fatally failed to have adequate regard for logistics during Operation Barbarossa - but then, he's clearly been reading the wrong history books.
 
Let’s hope they can hold out, just watched a little girl of 6 lose her fight for life in hospital after a cluster attack on her neighbourhood, ** sickening!
 
I've now heard a broadly similar viewpoint from several seasoned observers & academics.

There are already videos & reports of Russian tanks running out of fuel and soldiers looting & begging for food.
If Ukraine can hold out for another 5/6 days, the faltering Russian supply lines - often operating through hostile territory - will break down completely and Putin's campaign will inexorably fail.

Putin should know that Hitler fatally failed to have adequate regard for logistics during Operation Barbarossa - but then, he's clearly been reading the wrong history books.
Tanks running out of fuel means that they are advancing quicker than their logistics can keep up with, ie. they are gaining ground quicker than they expected. To suggest this is somehow a victory for Ukraine is naive at best.
 
Tanks running out of fuel means that they are advancing quicker than their logistics can keep up with, ie. they are gaining ground quicker than they expected. To suggest this is somehow a victory for Ukraine is naive at best.
I've gone through your posts today. I've come to the conclusion you're a Kremlin controlled bot.

Although no posts since January 3rd when your stuff was removed because of 'unacceptable racist comments' says something.
 
Very good video and expands on what I read in the book Prisoners of Geography and the fact Russia doesn't want nato on the doorstep of Moscow. I didn't know the crimea was struggling for water nor the reserves of gas and oil that ukraine have. Its easy to brand Putin a loose cannon, deranged/unhinged but there is method to his madness and that video spells out the huge importance of a friendly ukraine to Russia. By the way I'm not excusing Putin and when I watch the news I feel sickened, however it is interesting to see the strategic ambition of Russia in its perceived defence and access to warm ports.
 
I've gone through your posts today. I've come to the conclusion you're a Kremlin controlled bot.

Although no posts since January 3rd when your stuff was removed because of 'unacceptable racist comments' says something.
I obviously can't repeat what I said as they will just ban me again. It was a quote from the Dalai Lama. Some sensitive souls with mod powers on here.

Not Russian, not a bot. I was on the old board from about 2008.

So, care to address my point, or are you only content in getting your kicks from a bit of jingoism like everyone else? The same old enemies of the working class are banging the same old drums and you are all frothing at the mouth to see people killed. Disgusting to be honest.
 
I obviously can't repeat what I said as they will just ban me again. It was a quote from the Dalai Lama. Some sensitive souls with mod powers on here.

Not Russian, not a bot. I was on the old board from about 2008.

So, care to address my point, or are you only content in getting your kicks from a bit of jingoism like everyone else? The same old enemies of the working class are banging the same old drums and you are all frothing at the mouth to see people killed. Disgusting to be honest.
I'm not. It's quite simple how this should stop. Putin needs to withdraw his forces. Nothing more, nothing less.

There is simply no reasonable explanation as to why Russians need to be inside Ukrainian territory. While he's there, he should fuck off out of the Crimea too.
 
Very good video and expands on what I read in the book Prisoners of Geography and the fact Russia doesn't want nato on the doorstep of Moscow. I didn't know the crimea was struggling for water nor the reserves of gas and oil that ukraine have. Its easy to brand Putin a loose cannon, deranged/unhinged but there is method to his madness and that video spells out the huge importance of a friendly ukraine to Russia. By the way I'm not excusing Putin and when I watch the news I feel sickened, however it is interesting to see the strategic ambition of Russia in its perceived defence and access to warm ports.

It's almost as if Russia has interests, and Putin isn't just some stark raving loony, but an experienced political operator who has risen from the ranks of the KGB to be leader of a country for two decades where politics is still played with a knife and not just words. The man is cold and rational, not the hot-headed raving lunatic the world is currently trying to paint him as.

One of the first actions the Russian army took when they began the invasion was to blow up the dams blocking water flowing from the Dnieper to the Crimea.

Whatever the thoughts on the legitimacy of Russia's annexation of Crimea, cutting off civilians water supply is a pretty shitty act on the part of any nation.
 
It's almost as if Russia has interests, and Putin isn't just some stark raving loony, but an experienced political operator who has risen from the ranks of the KGB to be leader of a country for two decades where politics is still played with a knife and not just words. The man is cold and rational, not the hot-headed raving lunatic the world is currently trying to paint him as.

One of the first actions the Russian army took when they began the invasion was to blow up the dams blocking water flowing from the Dnieper to the Crimea.

Whatever the thoughts on the legitimacy of Russia's annexation of Crimea, cutting off civilians water supply is a pretty shitty act on the part of any nation.
Carry on justifying the unjustifiable. Says more about you than anything else.

Admiring his rational approach doesn't make it any better.
 
It's almost as if Russia has interests, and Putin isn't just some stark raving loony, but an experienced political operator who has risen from the ranks of the KGB to be leader of a country for two decades where politics is still played with a knife and not just words. The man is cold and rational, not the hot-headed raving lunatic the world is currently trying to paint him as.

One of the first actions the Russian army took when they began the invasion was to blow up the dams blocking water flowing from the Dnieper to the Crimea.

Whatever the thoughts on the legitimacy of Russia's annexation of Crimea, cutting off civilians water supply is a pretty shitty act on the part of any nation.
Maybe it would be more logical of Putin to annex our ports and oil and gas supplies. Do you see the logic in that as well?

No different to going into Ukraine really. Plenty of Russians here too, to justify defending his own people.
 
I'm not. It's quite simple how this should stop. Putin needs to withdraw his forces. Nothing more, nothing less.

There is simply no reasonable explanation as to why Russians need to be inside Ukrainian territory. While he's there, he should fuck off out of the Crimea too.
Of course there is. There are multiple, but it can most easily be summed up by the image below:

Russia has valid security concerns due to NATO's aggressive expansion and the CIA's liberal use of colour revolutions to undermine states that elect pro-russian governments.

Quick bullet points of key factors:

* Relentless NATO expansion towards Russia's borders despite historical assurances to the contrary.
* Western actions in Syria.
* The CIA overthrowing the Ukrainian government in 2014.
* Refusal to recognise the DPR and LPR as independent nations with the right to national self determination.
* Persecution of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine by the Ukrainian armed forces.
* Western attempts to incite colour revolution in Belarus in 2021.

I'm not keen on Russia's actions, but I understand why they are taking them.

My prediction is that Russia ends up annexing everything East of the Dnieper and a new government is formed for Western Ukraine with assurances of no ties to the West/EU/NATO to serve as a buffer state between Russia and NATO. Belarus will become a formal vassal as part of 'Greater Russia' and Russian nuclear missiles will be moved in to Belorusian territory to provide them with security.
 

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Maybe it would be more logical of Putin to annex our ports and oil and gas supplies. Do you see the logic in that as well?

No different to going into Ukraine really. Plenty of Russians here too, to justify defending his own people.
Britain isn't historical territory of Russia, nor are the British armed forces attacking civilians on the border regions of their country. British citizens in regions of the country haven't voted to become independent States.

It is rather silly a false equivalence you are making.
 
A 17 mile armoured column, including hundred of tanks, heavy artillery and thousands of troops is now closing on Kiev ☹️
 
Carry on justifying the unjustifiable. Says more about you than anything else.

Admiring his rational approach doesn't make it any better.
Do tell me what is unjustifiable? Is it the armed invasion of another country?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Bosnia, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Korea etc. would like a word...
 
It's almost as if Russia has interests, and Putin isn't just some stark raving loony, but an experienced political operator who has risen from the ranks of the KGB to be leader of a country for two decades where politics is still played with a knife and not just words. The man is cold and rational, not the hot-headed raving lunatic the world is currently trying to paint him as.

One of the first actions the Russian army took when they began the invasion was to blow up the dams blocking water flowing from the Dnieper to the Crimea.

Whatever the thoughts on the legitimacy of Russia's annexation of Crimea, cutting off civilians water supply is a pretty shitty act on the part of any nation.
“The man is cold and rational, not the hot-headed raving lunatic the world is trying to paint him”
If you believe that then you are in denial my friend.
He is also a murdering bastard and the parallels between him and Hitler are blatantly obvious.
Everyone is scared to death of him and how on earth they can follow his orders which ultimately lead to the unlawful deaths of 1,000’s of innocent people makes them equally culpable
There is only one resolution here and that is for someone to assassinate him because once he is gone no-one would follow his murderous regime.
 
My prediction is that Russia ends up annexing everything East of the Dnieper and a new government is formed for Western Ukraine with assurances of no ties to the West/EU/NATO to serve as a buffer state between Russia and NATO. Belarus will become a formal vassal as part of 'Greater Russia' and Russian nuclear missiles will be moved in to Belorusian territory to provide them with security.
interesting to read your eloquent and challenging replies to lots of the issues surrounding the current Russian invasion of a sovereign state.

Just picking up on one point, and I appreciate that the above is only a prediction, why would Russia want to create a ‘neutral’ buffer state between themselves and NATO on the one hand, Western Ukraine, but then bring Belarus into a ‘Greater Russia’, thus removing a buffer zone between themselves and NATO and putting nuclear weapons on the NATO ‘border’

Surely these two aims are contradictory
 
Of course there is. There are multiple, but it can most easily be summed up by the image below:

Russia has valid security concerns due to NATO's aggressive expansion and the CIA's liberal use of colour revolutions to undermine states that elect pro-russian governments.

Quick bullet points of key factors:

* Relentless NATO expansion towards Russia's borders despite historical assurances to the contrary.
* Western actions in Syria.
* The CIA overthrowing the Ukrainian government in 2014.
* Refusal to recognise the DPR and LPR as independent nations with the right to national self determination.
* Persecution of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine by the Ukrainian armed forces.
* Western attempts to incite colour revolution in Belarus in 2021.

I'm not keen on Russia's actions, but I understand why they are taking them.

My prediction is that Russia ends up annexing everything East of the Dnieper and a new government is formed for Western Ukraine with assurances of no ties to the West/EU/NATO to serve as a buffer state between Russia and NATO. Belarus will become a formal vassal as part of 'Greater Russia' and Russian nuclear missiles will be moved in to Belorusian territory to provide them with security.
Talk us through Russia's actions in Syria. Might is right and bollox to democracy.
 
interesting to read your eloquent replies to lots of the issues surrounding the current Russian invasion of a sovereign state.

Just picking up on one point, and I appreciate that the above is only a prediction, why would Russia want to create a ‘neutral’ buffer state between themselves and NATO on the one hand, Western Ukraine, but then bring Belarus into a ‘Greater Russia’, thus removing a buffer zone between themselves and NATO and putting nuclear weapons on the NATO ‘border’

Surely these two aims are contradictory
Good question. The situations are different there in that Belarus is already allied directly with Moscow, whereas Ukraine is not.

During COVID (I can't remember whether it was 2020 or 2021) there was a lot of noise for a while about anti-Lukashenko protests in Belarus. It had all the hallmarks of a CIA colour revolution attempt (foreign students, english-language protest signs etc etc). Belarus is currently a buffer, but is also currently targeted for regime change. Only yesterday there was a declaration by a western-backed exile that they were the true leader of Belarus:


Belarus will have to be brought closer to guarantee it doesn't become the next Ukraine. Russia will be moving nukes there promptly.

With Ukraine, not annexing the entire territory would be somewhat of a sop to the West. They can claim they have only liberated ethnic Russians and that they haven't completely wiped out a sovereign nation. The river is also a natural defensive border.

I could well be wrong though, he could go for absorbing the whole country. Since the accession of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia to NATO it isn't possible to completely separate Russia and NATO's borders anymore.
 
Talk us through Russia's actions in Syria. Might is right and bollox to democracy.
Russia was invited by the legitimate government of Syria to help stabilise the country after it was ravaged by foreign agitators.

As for might is right, that is unfortunately an iron law of nature. Western liberalism knows this, practices it, but has to pretend that it doesn't.

So that justifies this. OK. You're clearly deranged, not providing an alternative view point.

I was 3 when I realised 2 wrongs don't make a right.

No-one said it was right, I'm merely pointing out your hypocrisy. Should England have been kicked out of FIFA for invading Iraq, or bombing Libya into submission?
 
interesting to read your eloquent and challenging replies to lots of the issues surrounding the current Russian invasion of a sovereign state.

Just picking up on one point, and I appreciate that the above is only a prediction, why would Russia want to create a ‘neutral’ buffer state between themselves and NATO on the one hand, Western Ukraine, but then bring Belarus into a ‘Greater Russia’, thus removing a buffer zone between themselves and NATO and putting nuclear weapons on the NATO ‘border’

Surely these two aims are contradictory
I don't see it as contradictory. Belarus would still act as a buffer to Moscow and create distance from Nato. I think we look at this through rose tinted spectacles. During the cold War the West vs Russia was branded good vs evil ignoring the fact the Americans weren't adverse to punching their way around the world and seeking to improve their goals via aggression and propping up puppet governments ( eg South Vietnam) Again I hasten to add I am not defending Putin whatsoever but I can see his strategic reason for the invasion of the Ukraine, the narrative of branding him an out of control lunatic doesn't help solve the long term issue and completely over simplifies the situation. The other theme that posters are relying on is an internal coup or assassination, that's another doubtful scenario when you see the video and the reason for the invasion, the army generals will have the same strategic goal.
 
I’ve not seen any NATO aggression in the west if it’s happened then can someone point me in the direction/country it’s actually happened?
Over the last 3 decades many ex USSR countries have got their own freedom/independence as they simply don’t want to be part of the eastern block, Ukraine is going through the same right now so where is this Nato aggression?
 
Indeed, and the puppet Zelenskyy has thrown his people under the bus by giving them arms and encouraging them to fight as partisans. Under the Geneva convention, captured soldiers have to be treated in a humane way; partisans are allowed to be summarily executed.

Right now, Russia is showing remarkable restraint in terms of actions against non-military targets (unlike the western powers in the prosecution of war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Sarajevo etc). Partisan activity will eventually cause that to have to change. Anyone who remembers what Grozny looked like wouldn't want that.

Zelenskyy wants the videos and livestreams of civilian fighters being killed so he can force NATOs hand.
Have you been sat with a blindfold on and fingers in your ears singing "lalalalala" for the last 6 days?

That sentence is absolute bollocks and we've seen concrete evidence on over 1000 situations of the contrary.

If you're siding with the Russians then I think you're a **. Opinion or not.
 
Have you been sat with a blindfold on and fingers in your ears singing "lalalalala" for the last 6 days?

That sentence is absolute bollocks and we've seen concrete evidence on over 1000 situations of the contrary.

If you're siding with the Russians then I think you're a **. Opinion or not.
Quite the opposite. I've watched very closely. If you have telegram I could point you in the direction of several channels that aggregate information from all sides of the conflict.

Russia HAS NOT waged an indiscriminate air campaign against Ukrainian civilian centres. It is concentrating its strikes against military positions such as barracks, fuel reserves, vehicle depots, airfields etc.

Ukrainian cities have not had their utilities cut off by Russian actions. Kiev still has power, water, sanitation etc. Removing those would be very easy for a military force with air superiority, as Russia currently has.

Infrastructure in general is not being targeted. The Ukrainians are blowing up bridges as they retreat (standard military practice which I can't criticise them for) which will be the most disruptive element going forward. It will make civilian evacuation almost impossible for example.

That is without even going into the blatant misinformation being broadcast/published by UK media. Some of the ones fhat have been most obvious:

* Photos of gas explosions in 2018 being purported to show effects of Russian artillery

* A Ukrainian Air-to-air missile hitting a block of flats being claimed to be Russian artillery

* Photos of Zelenskyy visiting the border in 2019 being used as contemporary photos

* Staged photos of children waving to soldiers from 2016

* Clips from television shows being claimed as Ukrainian soldiers saying goodbye to their girlfriends

* The 'Ghost of Kyiv'; a clip from a computer game being claimed as an independent Ukrainian fighter ace.

* CNN showing footage of a 2016 air show and claiming it is Russian planes over Kiev.


I condemn Russia's invasion (even if I understand their reasons). My biggest concern is that millions more will suffer when the warmongers in the west cause a limited regional conflict to expand to a continental conflagration. Same old story: the economy is fucked, so start a big war.
 
Quite the opposite. I've watched very closely. If you have telegram I could point you in the direction of several channels that aggregate information from all sides of the conflict.

Russia HAS NOT waged an indiscriminate air campaign against Ukrainian civilian centres. It is concentrating its strikes against military positions such as barracks, fuel reserves, vehicle depots, airfields etc.

Ukrainian cities have not had their utilities cut off by Russian actions. Kiev still has power, water, sanitation etc. Removing those would be very easy for a military force with air superiority, as Russia currently has.

Infrastructure in general is not being targeted. The Ukrainians are blowing up bridges as they retreat (standard military practice which I can't criticise them for) which will be the most disruptive element going forward. It will make civilian evacuation almost impossible for example.

That is without even going into the blatant misinformation being broadcast/published by UK media. Some of the ones fhat have been most obvious:

* Photos of gas explosions in 2018 being purported to show effects of Russian artillery

* A Ukrainian Air-to-air missile hitting a block of flats being claimed to be Russian artillery

* Photos of Zelenskyy visiting the border in 2019 being used as contemporary photos

* Staged photos of children waving to soldiers from 2016

* Clips from television shows being claimed as Ukrainian soldiers saying goodbye to their girlfriends

I condemn Russia's invasion (even if I understand their reasons). My biggest concern is that millions more will suffer when the warmongers in the west cause a limited regional conflict to expand to a continental conflagration. Same old story: the economy is fucked, so start a big war.
You contradict yourself don't you? War mongers in the West?

The only war started here, came from Russia. Make. Your. **. Mind. Up.
 
Quite the opposite. I've watched very closely. If you have telegram I could point you in the direction of several channels that aggregate information from all sides of the conflict.

Russia HAS NOT waged an indiscriminate air campaign against Ukrainian civilian centres. It is concentrating its strikes against military positions such as barracks, fuel reserves, vehicle depots, airfields etc.

Ukrainian cities have not had their utilities cut off by Russian actions. Kiev still has power, water, sanitation etc. Removing those would be very easy for a military force with air superiority, as Russia currently has.

Infrastructure in general is not being targeted. The Ukrainians are blowing up bridges as they retreat (standard military practice which I can't criticise them for) which will be the most disruptive element going forward. It will make civilian evacuation almost impossible for example.

That is without even going into the blatant misinformation being broadcast/published by UK media. Some of the ones fhat have been most obvious:

* Photos of gas explosions in 2018 being purported to show effects of Russian artillery

* A Ukrainian Air-to-air missile hitting a block of flats being claimed to be Russian artillery

* Photos of Zelenskyy visiting the border in 2019 being used as contemporary photos

* Staged photos of children waving to soldiers from 2016

* Clips from television shows being claimed as Ukrainian soldiers saying goodbye to their girlfriends

I condemn Russia's invasion (even if I understand their reasons). My biggest concern is that millions more will suffer when the warmongers in the west cause a limited regional conflict to expand to a continental conflagration. Same old story: the economy is fucked, so start a big war.
This is very typical of someone non-military talking about military things.

Earth is square.

There are aliens.

The moon isn't real.

Etc etc etc.

Russians have killed hundreds if not thousands of Ukrainian civilians and have committed war crimes with the weapons and targets. They are getting absolutely battered. Losing hundreds of troops daily. Large amount of vehicles and planes.

The single country at cause of this is Russia and no one else.
 
This is very typical of someone non-military talking about military things.

Earth is square.

There are aliens.

The moon isn't real.

Etc etc etc.

Russians have killed hundreds if not thousands of Ukrainian civilians and have committed war crimes with the weapons and targets. They are getting absolutely battered. Losing hundreds of troops daily. Large amount of vehicles and planes.

The single country at cause of this is Russia and no one else.
Quite the opposite, but you don't know me, so I will ignore it.

Russia is winning comfortably.

It took two weeks for US/UK forces to reach Baghdad, even after an extensive bombing campaign.

Russia has control of about half of Eastern Ukraine after four days. Kiev is effectively surrounded and a 67km long column of vehicles is moving in that direction to build up forces for the next push.

Ukraine's air force and navy was eliminated within two hours of the conflict starting.

They have lost. Their only strategy now is to bring the west into play before the end comes.
 
Quite the opposite, but you don't know me, so I will ignore it.

Russia is winning comfortably.

It took two weeks for US/UK forces to reach Baghdad, even after an extensive bombing campaign.

Russia has control of about half of Eastern Ukraine after four days. Kiev is effectively surrounded and a 67km long column of vehicles is moving in that direction to build up forces for the next push.

Ukraine's air force and navy was eliminated within two hours of the conflict starting.

They have lost. Their only strategy now is to bring the west into play before the end comes.
You're not military, never have been. No need to lie or discuss it. It's obvious.

Not true is it really? They've taken 0 of their objectives since starting 6 days ago.

Putin thought it was a walk in the park.

So you're telling me they haven't lost 4-5k troops? Or over 1000 planes and vehicles? And they're on track and everything is going swimmingly?

Russian troops aren't giving up?
Russian vehicles aren't running out of fuel?
 
A lot of whataboutisms from you Cheesyleps.

Some good points but the simple fact is that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is unacceptable and needs to be stopped and Russian forces withdrawn. There is no justification for the invasion and you seem to be repeating debunked Russian disinformation to make your points.

As Wiz has stated 2 wrongs don't make a right but that seems to be your point of view.
 
Kurt, you are privy to the strategic objectives of the armed forces of the Russian Federation? Strange that someone so important would be spending their time on a blackpool fc forum wishing violence upon someone who disagrees with them...

Mariupol is surrounded. Kiev is cut off. Swathes of Eastern Ukraine are under Russian occupation. I'd say they are proceeding just fine.

US intelligence confirmed yesterday that Russia has yet to commit the bulk of its troops to Ukraine. I'm sure you know better than them, what with your high position in the Kremlin.
 
This guy has done tons of video's on Russia and surrounding countries. This is his latest which I found very moving.

 
A lot of whataboutisms from you Cheesyleps.

Some good points but the simple fact is that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is unacceptable and needs to be stopped and Russian forces withdrawn. There is no justification for the invasion and you seem to be repeating debunked Russian disinformation to make your points.

As Wiz has stated 2 wrongs don't make a right but that seems to be your point of view.
Whataboutism? What a ridiculous word, intended solely to muddy the waters and prevent genuine discussion.

I will ask again, as no-one has given me a coherent answer: What specifically, about Russia invading Ukraine, makes this different to all of the times that Western powers have invaded other sovereign nations?
 
Kurt, you are privy to the strategic objectives of the armed forces of the Russian Federation? Strange that someone so important would be spending their time on a blackpool fc forum wishing violence upon someone who disagrees with them...

Mariupol is surrounded. Kiev is cut off. Swathes of Eastern Ukraine are under Russian occupation. I'd say they are proceeding just fine.

US intelligence confirmed yesterday that Russia has yet to commit the bulk of its troops to Ukraine. I'm sure you know better than them, what with your high position in the Kremlin.
I'm wishing violence against a Russian sympathiser who thinks it's acceptable a country has invaded an independent nation which could cause the death of hundreds of thousands of people. So yes, if you are accusing me of wanting to cause violence against you, for the above opinion. Then I am absolutely and definitely guilty.

Russia currently don't have any strategy. They are a numbers armed forces. Volume of kit, lack of quality of kit. They can't even hit target buildings properly. They haven't exactly organised an invasion very well have they? They dropped in paras and special forces hoping that would just make the Ukranians roll over. Failed. Now they're throwing volume at the problem and going dirty.

Russia will send in 150k troops and take what they need because they have the numbers. They won't do it without significant losses, without committing vile war crimes and without looking like the disorganised, dysfunctional, lack of strategic intelligence shambles of a force that it is.

If NATO got involved, Russian forces would be back in Russia within a handful of days.
 
Whataboutism? What a ridiculous word, intended solely to muddy the waters and prevent genuine discussion.

I will ask again, as no-one has given me a coherent answer: What specifically, about Russia invading Ukraine, makes this different to all of the times that Western powers have invaded other sovereign nations?
Two wrongs do not make a right.

Do you agree that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is wrong and Russia should withdraw all their troops immediately. It's a yes or no answer.

A one word reply will suffice.
 
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Quite the opposite. I've watched very closely. If you have telegram I could point you in the direction of several channels that aggregate information from all sides of the conflict.

Russia HAS NOT waged an indiscriminate air campaign against Ukrainian civilian centres. It is concentrating its strikes against military positions such as barracks, fuel reserves, vehicle depots, airfields etc.

Ukrainian cities have not had their utilities cut off by Russian actions. Kiev still has power, water, sanitation etc. Removing those would be very easy for a military force with air superiority, as Russia currently has.

Infrastructure in general is not being targeted. The Ukrainians are blowing up bridges as they retreat (standard military practice which I can't criticise them for) which will be the most disruptive element going forward. It will make civilian evacuation almost impossible for example.

That is without even going into the blatant misinformation being broadcast/published by UK media. Some of the ones fhat have been most obvious:

* Photos of gas explosions in 2018 being purported to show effects of Russian artillery

* A Ukrainian Air-to-air missile hitting a block of flats being claimed to be Russian artillery

* Photos of Zelenskyy visiting the border in 2019 being used as contemporary photos

* Staged photos of children waving to soldiers from 2016

* Clips from television shows being claimed as Ukrainian soldiers saying goodbye to their girlfriends

* The 'Ghost of Kyiv'; a clip from a computer game being claimed as an independent Ukrainian fighter ace.

* CNN showing footage of a 2016 air show and claiming it is Russian planes over Kiev.


I condemn Russia's invasion (even if I understand their reasons). My biggest concern is that millions more will suffer when the warmongers in the west cause a limited regional conflict to expand to a continental conflagration. Same old story: the economy is fucked, so start a big war.
So what sort of military installation was that block of flats that was hit yesterday by what seemed several rockets hitting in the car park?
What about that poor old civilian woman run over in her car by a Russian armoured vehicle? Maybe she was a Ukrainian general or something?
Military installations my arse you already sound like Putin.
 
Whataboutism? What a ridiculous word, intended solely to muddy the waters and prevent genuine discussion.

I will ask again, as no-one has given me a coherent answer: What specifically, about Russia invading Ukraine, makes this different to all of the times that Western powers have invaded other sovereign nations?
Nothing, Tony Blair is a war criminal too and should be in jail. We shouldn't have been in Iraq. We should have been in Afghanistan but ultimately made a mess of it.

Now you can go ahead condemn Putin properly and explain how you think Russia can withdraw it's armies.
 
I'm wishing violence against a Russian sympathiser who thinks it's acceptable a country has invaded an independent nation which could cause the death of hundreds of thousands of people. So yes, if you are accusing me of wanting to cause violence against you, for the above opinion. Then I am absolutely and definitely guilty.

Russia currently don't have any strategy. They are a numbers armed forces. Volume of kit, lack of quality of kit. They can't even hit target buildings properly. They haven't exactly organised an invasion very well have they? They dropped in paras and special forces hoping that would just make the Ukranians roll over. Failed. Now they're throwing volume at the problem and going dirty.

Russia will send in 150k troops and take what they need because they have the numbers. They won't do it without significant losses, without committing vile war crimes and without looking like the disorganised, dysfunctional, lack of strategic intelligence shambles of a force that it is.

If NATO got involved, Russian forces would be back in Russia within a handful of days.

"Quantity has a quality all of its own" Joseph Stalin

Russia has always been a low-quality, high-numbers force. It is in their DNA. They rely heavily on conscription and national service.

Ukraine is no different though. The majority of their equipment is soviet-era, and what modern weapons they have (particularly ATGMs and MANPADS) are quickly running out: Zelenskyy said so himself last night.

If NATO got directly involved, we would all be staring at a very bright artificial sunrise. Last night's announcement that Poland will provide air bases (in Polish territory) for Ukrainian pilots to fly Migs from is a VERY dangerous step towards that becoming reality. I'm sure we can both agree we don't want that scenario to come to pass.
 
"Quantity has a quality all of its own" Joseph Stalin

Russia has always been a low-quality, high-numbers force. It is in their DNA. They rely heavily on conscription and national service.

Ukraine is no different though. The majority of their equipment is soviet-era, and what modern weapons they have (particularly ATGMs and MANPADS) are quickly running out: Zelenskyy said so himself last night.

If NATO got directly involved, we would all be staring at a very bright artificial sunrise. Last night's announcement that Poland will provide air bases (in Polish territory) for Ukrainian pilots to fly Migs from is a VERY dangerous step towards that becoming reality. I'm sure we can both agree we don't want that scenario to come to pass.
No, we don't but this was entirely brought on by Russia.

The sooner Putin is disposed of, the sooner the Russian's can head back to their homes with their tails between their legs and we can get on with our lives.
 
No, we don't but this was entirely brought on by Russia.

The sooner Putin is disposed of, the sooner the Russian's can head back to their homes with their tails between their legs and we can get on with our lives.
Short of open conflict with NATO I just don't see him being deposed. He has spent 20 years solidifying his position. He has fanatical levels of support from pretty much everyone over the age of 35. Short of a student revolution, I just don't see where that comes from.

There is also no guarantee that his successor is any less belligerent.
 
Not only are there military experts on here but there appears to be an endless amount of them on tv .
One such expert last weekend suggested that the Russian forces (150,000) + with tanks, multiple rocket launchers and artillery of which only 50,000 troops had been used, the remainder held in reserve. The Russians expected a Ukraine surrender using limited action against them.
Air strikes on cities. and missiles launched to frighten the Ukrainians into seeking a surrender, that has backfired and the resistance not expected by the Russians might well see the destruction of Kyiv on a Grozny type scale in retaliation.
I fear there is worse to come for Ukraine, especially from above.
 
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