Why the doubters keep getting proven wrong

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I’ll be honest, social media and this board have been difficult places to read during the summer and most of the early results this season.

I’ve attempted to explain why people are wrong to doubt Critchley, Mansford, Sadler etc here.

Warning, if you’re of a negative mindset this one might not be for you:

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Opinion: Why the doubters keep getting proven wrong

Throughout preseason and the early games of this season, I’ve been astounded by the amount of negativity around our fanbase from some supporters. It’s easy for me to sit and write a blo…
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With all due respect, no one has been proven wrong yet and what exactly have people been proven wrong about? I don't understand the article to be honest. Some of the team selections have been absolutely baffling and the sets ups have seen us stay in games but not remotely look close to being good enough. Cardiff, Huddersfield and Coventry for a start and pretty 75 minutes of Bristol City.

The inability to not get a proper right back in until we had already played 5 league games was frustrating for everyone and this caused the entire sides balance to be off.

There has to be an understanding that this and other platforms are an outlet for emotions.

No Blackpool fan wants us to lose. Not sure I'm a fan of the point of that article if I am honest. Albeit it does have good content, just the general idea behind it.
 
SeasideKurt said:
There has to be an understanding that this and other platforms are an outlet for emotions
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I think that is a very valid comment. At the end of the article Tom is bemoaning fans for reacting to a game of football…. What a soulless game it would be, were that to actually be the case and nobody cared enough to react at all.

For anyone who supports a Football Team every game is the emotional equivalent of a washing machine cycle and that results in a whole range of ‘spur of the moment’ reactions during and after a game.

AVFTT and other social media outlets are all about those reactions and opinions and I’m struggling to see why it should be an issue really.

Of course all that said, I also think that the writer is making a much bigger issue out of what really has amounted to fairly limited (and generally valid criticism) from a very small number of people. Reading the article you’d get the perception that Tom is swimming against a tide of unwarranted fan based criticism, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Maybe that’s a symptom of the world we find ourselves in, whereby this type of hyper-magnification is necessary in order to create a story worth writing about…..

It’s a work of fiction in my eyes
 
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I agree with a lot of that, I don't think it's saying that people can't criticise the team, the manager or the club, it's just saying people lack some perspective and take it too far sometimes.

There's a lot of 'useless' and 'clueless' that get thrown around on here which is just silly given the progress made over the last 18 months. There are some posters who like to regularly single out certain players or the manager and some of the criticism can come across as agenda driven with people just sticking to their guns, probably to avoid looking foolish or having to admit they may have been wrong.

Then there's some people just love a moan and are probably like that in all aspects of life, we all know the type, and if you don't it's probably you 😁
 
We have some total whoppers on here and also some really long winded boring snorefests who can send a glass eye to sleep.
We also have a lot of normal, balanced posters who I have time for….it’s today’s world.
 
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Phil_bfc deux said:
I'm with Kurt and BFC x3 on this

What a load of absolute nonsense in the article

Also rather hypocritical bemoaning social media comments and social media, as without social media the article author wouldn't have a platform to post his rubbish on .......
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I'm not with you on that it's nonsense. I enjoy his articles, this particular one isn't one I understand that's all.

We had enough fan to fan fighting during those years. People can say "What you doing Critch!" and then come back and be delighted to be proven wrong, without fans jumping down their throats.
 
voyeur said:
You have to say that though, in self defence! You're one of the serial moaning cunts. 🤣
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In fairness if Phil and his occasional valid comments are considered to represent a "serial moaning **", then I think it's safe to say that the article writer is making mountains out of molehills.
 
I'm sort of down the middle on the piece - I agree with some of what Kurt has said and also agree some posters take it too far and are proven wrong (i.e. Phil saying, a month or so into last season, that we had been 'sold a duffer' with Critchley and that we 'should never have appointed someone who hadn't managed at this level'), but people should be able to vent their frustrations, etc.

There are numpties on either side, as with most football boards, but for the most part we have a lot of balanced posters. It'd be boring if we all ascribed to the same point of view and I've held opinions that have been changed slightly by well-rounded posts.

Always happy to read things on Blackpool people have put the effort into writing anyway, so keep them coming UTMP even if I disagree with something.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In fairness if Phil and his occasional valid comments are considered to represent a "serial moaning **", then I think it's safe to say that the article writer is making mountains out of molehills.
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That's a bit of a wild spin on the actual reality. In my opinion. "His occasional valid comments" kind of blurs over a hell of a lot!
 
Said it time and time again, it’s about balance.

People are allowed to be upset and criticise the club.

But then you have the same people popping up on here and on social media who seem to jump at the opportunity to moan, rarely have anything positive to say and are clearly too embedded with their own personal agendas that they will never, ever admit they were wrong.
 
voyeur said:
That's a bit of a wild spin on the actual reality. In my opinion. "His occasional valid comments" kind of blurs over a hell of a lot!
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Go on, what does it blur over?

I’m struggling to see a different way to crystallise things…

Phil makes occasional critical comments and provides valid rationale for his thoughts as well as positive recommendations as to how things could be improved.

Like I said…. If his posts are what constitutes a “serial moaning **” then we really don’t have a problem.

I suppose it just goes to highlight the absolute snowflakery that exists today…. I mean some of the comments on this thread are borderline embarrassing…😂

I’ve got images of poor little scaramango flopping to the floor with his Mrs mopping his brow, because another anonymous internet poster has “driven him insane” (insane no less) by expressing disappointment at a 3-0 thrashing.

What a bunch of wet wipes !
 
I think it is a pretty balanced and well researched piece. It's striking that the people criticising it in this thread tend to be very jaundiced and often don't do much research.

I do agree that on of the functions of a messageboard is to be an outlet for emotion. But I think that some people consistently overdo it.
 
In all walks of life there are people with lots of different views and attitudes to different scenarios, for this reason there are posters that I just won’t read, but I don’t judge them as people , I don’t listen to “podcasts” as I don’t like so called experts explaining to me and debating what they think I need to know . Don’t get me wrong , I do have my own little whinge when thing’s aren’t going well and I discuss these things with my adult Son within the confines of our home, or maybe standing at a bar with a pint in my hand ,
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
In fairness if Phil and his occasional valid comments are considered to represent a "serial moaning **", then I think it's safe to say that the article writer is making mountains out of molehills.
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Or it it sustained and continuing criticism of Critchleyand certain players from the day they arrived?

Critchley has no tactical nous and reacts too late while Jerry Yates is useless are regular comments from certain posters.

We all know who they are.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Go on, what does it blur over?

I’m struggling to see a different way to crystallise things…

Phil makes occasional critical comments and provides valid rationale for his thoughts as well as positive recommendations as to how things could be improved.

Like I said…. If his posts are what constitutes a “serial moaning **” then we really don’t have a problem.

I suppose it just goes to highlight the absolute snowflakery that exists today…. I mean some of the comments on this thread are borderline embarrassing…😂

I’ve got images of poor little scaramango flopping to the floor with his Mrs mopping his brow, because another anonymous internet poster has “driven him insane” (insane no less) by expressing disappointment at a 3-0 thrashing.

What a bunch of wet wipes !
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Different personalities and mentalities. I agree with the UTMP piece. We could argue all day, I don't really want to give you the licence to write an essay every 20 minutes!
 
The article in the OP is one mans opinion, it’s well written and makes many positive observations, his one main criticism is of knee jerk, unreasonably harsh reactions after a defeat, a frustration I share but that’s life. I can’t help feeling Blackpool football Club is in the early stages of one hell of journey built on sustainable foundation. Constructive criticism is welcomed by our club and through the good work of the SLO changes have been made this season.Away support now leaving via the North not South being the most recent 👍🧡
 
Wizaard said:
Or it it sustained and continuing criticism of Critchleyand certain players from the day they arrived?

Critchley has no tactical nous and reacts too late while Jerry Yates is useless are regular comments from certain posters.

We all know who they are.
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Hopefully Voyeur will forgive me for writing another essay.... 🙄

Maybe look at this a different way...

Our Fans (this season) have been universally praised by commentators, players, managers & opposing fans for being the most passionate and loudest (pound for pound) in the land. Yet... We see fit to over-emphasise a tiny minority of fans who (as is absolutely normal in football terms) are somewhat critical when we have a poor run of results or bad performance...

Come On FFS!!

It's just bollocks
 
There's been plenty of valid criticism that just because we've won and at times looked better on the ball doesn't take away the times we haven't.

For eg the passing from the back had been generally very poor, no cutting edge through to the midfield and to the strikers.

The through balls for eg have often been over or under hit and we hadn't created many chances for our strikers hence why we aren't scoring a lot and they haven't scored many.

We did look a bit better on the ball second half vs boro.

If we do good things we get praise if we dont, expect those flaws to be pointed out.

We cant also on one hand praise the atmospheres and say how passionate the fanbase is and then expect, when we lose and show no real quality, there to be no passionate posts especially straight after the game when its raw.
 
SeasideKurt said:
With all due respect, no one has been proven wrong yet and what exactly have people been proven wrong about? I don't understand the article to be honest. Some of the team selections have been absolutely baffling and the sets ups have seen us stay in games but not remotely look close to being good enough. Cardiff, Huddersfield and Coventry for a start and pretty 75 minutes of Bristol City.

The inability to not get a proper right back in until we had already played 5 league games was frustrating for everyone and this caused the entire sides balance to be off.

There has to be an understanding that this and other platforms are an outlet for emotions.

No Blackpool fan wants us to lose. Not sure I'm a fan of the point of that article if I am honest. Albeit it does have good content, just the general idea behind it.
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Regarding the right back situation, it was not an inability, NC knew what he was doing as he was determined to sign Jordan Gabriel and he was prepared to wait. Very similar to the ‘Liverpool way.’
 
To be clear, all I’m trying to convey in my blog is the need for perspective. I’m not saying everyone be quiet because we have Simon Sadler, but coupled with the fact we’re on the up both on the pitch and off it, back in the championship, with Critchley and his brand of football, I don’t think there’s that much to complain about but it seems people can’t wait to have a moan as soon as there’s an element of imperfection.

Football is all about opinions - if you don’t agree with mine that’s fine but I write my blogs because they’re my opinions, not to start arguments or anger anyone.
 
Why do people care so much what other people type on social media? I couldn't imagine going to the length of writing a blog about what other people think? Must be a superiority complex or something.
 
utmp said:
To be clear, all I’m trying to convey in my blog is the need for perspective. I’m not saying everyone be quiet because we have Simon Sadler, but coupled with the fact we’re on the up both on the pitch and off it, back in the championship, with Critchley and his brand of football, I don’t think there’s that much to complain about but it seems people can’t wait to have a moan as soon as there’s an element of imperfection.

Football is all about opinions - if you don’t agree with mine that’s fine but I write my blogs because they’re my opinions, not to start arguments or anger anyone.
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🤣🤣🤣

And therein lies the lesson.... Maybe you should get some (perspective that is)

As stated above, you've chosen to focus and magnify an issue that barely exists and build it up beyond anything that could be considered reasonable proportion.

I understand that you need something to write about, but to my mind, you've essentially built up a strawman in order to give you something to rail against.

Our fans have been fantastic this season and subject to praise from every angle, yet you have chosen to exaggerate this idea that the New Owners and Critch are (or have ever been) on the receiving end of anything other than a bit of minor criticism from a tiny number of people....

Given the huge positives and the fantastic support so far this year, I just find it weird

Oh and I think many of your articles are great.... But let's keep it real!
 
SeasideKurt said:
With all due respect, no one has been proven wrong yet and what exactly have people been proven wrong about? I don't understand the article to be honest. Some of the team selections have been absolutely baffling and the sets ups have seen us stay in games but not remotely look close to being good enough. Cardiff, Huddersfield and Coventry for a start and pretty 75 minutes of Bristol City.

The inability to not get a proper right back in until we had already played 5 league games was frustrating for everyone and this caused the entire sides balance to be off.

There has to be an understanding that this and other platforms are an outlet for emotions.

No Blackpool fan wants us to lose. Not sure I'm a fan of the point of that article if I am honest. Albeit it does have good content, just the general idea behind it.
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Kurt

I wouldn't necessarily agree with everything you say but more importantly I certainly don't think you are wrong to express your opinions and I definitely agree with the sentiment of your post.

These articles - always published after a positive result - are disguised as criticism of negativity etc, etc but are often more about the authors bigging themselves up with everything that they always told you about everything.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The title is correct though, the doubters do keep being proved wrong, I can see why some of these doubters would object to the blog as well.
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Lytham

I don't know who or what you consider to be a doubter ?

I could be wrong but I'm thinking that somebody who expressed concerns about our performance against X might be considered a doubter and they are then considered to be proved wrong after our performance/result improves in our next match against Y ?

I think that it's perfectly possible to express concerns about our performance against X, without offering an opinion on our performance against Y.

In such a case, I don't think it's possible for the person expressing concerns about our performance against X to be proved wrong, unless of course you don't agree with their opinions on the performance against X in the first place.
 
I just think sections of our fanbase have got really weird and precious recently...

It's like someone comes out and says

"I went to Bloomfield Road on Saturday and my Pie was cold"....

This is then followed by a chorus of

"You moaning bastard, can you not see that Simon Sadler is investing millions and how much better it is compared to life under the rapist and what sort of dickhead actually eats at a football game in the first place - Just suck up your cold pie and shut the fuck up you wanker"

"OK Sorry... I was only saying like - better not mention the lager and result"

"ARE YOU DEAF - BEN MANSFORD IS SORTING THE ** LAGER - And we're a work in progress, so stop expressing opinions about football - Simon Sadler is one of our own, can you not see that"

"And my tickets for Bournemouth were late"

"GIVE ME STRENGTH"
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I just think sections of our fanbase have got really weird and precious recently...

It's like someone comes out and says

"I went to Bloomfield Road on Saturday and my Pie was cold"....

This is then followed by a chorus of

"You moaning bastard, can you not see that Simon Sadler is investing millions and how much better it is compared to life under the rapist and what sort of dickhead actually eats at a football game in the first place - Just suck up your cold pie and shut the fuck up you wanker"

"OK Sorry... I was only saying like - better not mention the lager and result"

"ARE YOU DEAF - BEN MANSFORD IS SORTING THE ** LAGER - And we're a work in progress, so stop expressing opinions about football - Simon Sadler is one of our own, can you not see that"

"And my tickets for Bournemouth were late"

"GIVE ME STRENGTH"
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Absolutely spot on. Any minor comment is jumped on by a baying pack of hyenas with all of the comments you raise.
 
A good read UTMP👍mind you, I am (to all intents and purposes) quite an optimistic and happy old fart - especially in these days of changing ways, so-called liberated days ... by George!🧡
 
We take different things from the football, we enjoy it in different ways. Doubt is part of faith.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I just think sections of our fanbase have got really weird and precious recently...

It's like someone comes out and says

"I went to Bloomfield Road on Saturday and my Pie was cold"....

This is then followed by a chorus of

"You moaning bastard, can you not see that Simon Sadler is investing millions and how much better it is compared to life under the rapist and what sort of dickhead actually eats at a football game in the first place - Just suck up your cold pie and shut the fuck up you wanker"

"OK Sorry... I was only saying like - better not mention the lager and result"

"ARE YOU DEAF - BEN MANSFORD IS SORTING THE ** LAGER - And we're a work in progress, so stop expressing opinions about football - Simon Sadler is one of our own, can you not see that"

"And my tickets for Bournemouth were late"

"GIVE ME STRENGTH"
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So who is being precious now? Moaning about a bloody blog. It’s someone’s opinion, it’s worth as much as yours.

Give me strength indeed.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
So who is being precious now? Moaning about a bloody blog. It’s someone’s opinion, it’s worth as much as yours.

Give me strength indeed.
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Sorry... I was just moaning about the bloke who was moaning about the moaners...

I take it you are the bloke who's come on to moan about the bloke, moaning about the bloke, who's moaning about the moaners then?

Nice One👍
 
Maybe he'd be better writing a blog about the fans who keep throwing things on the pitch and how they are in danger of getting the club fined.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Sorry... I was just moaning about the bloke who was moaning about the moaners...

I take it you are the bloke who's come on to moan about the bloke, moaning about the bloke, who's moaning about the moaners then?

Nice One👍
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Exactly, it's rather silly. Let's all get on with our lives.
 
Totally behind Critchley and Sadler and trust their judgements and strategy. Baffled by the post (told you so stuff). I think the whole point of sites like this is to allow people the expression to express their views / comments and concerns (that includes you) but its not appropriate to point a finger at everyone. If you have a problem with some posters then have a discussion with them. Its not all about you.
 
Said it so many times on this board but I’ll repeat again……

Debating is good. Stating your view (positive or negative) is fine.

It’s the frigging hissy fitters I cannot read without angst.
So if we lose or play poorly what we don’t get is: X needs to improve, or Y should be tried in the position or maybe Z tactic needs to be tried?
What we tend to get is Critch needs sacking, X should never play again, Y should be sold / loaned out and Z tactics are so bad that we are going down. Sadler should be buying players with experience in this league (ie spending millions outside of our revenue)

Bunch of crying babies that are unbearable.
 
Chunkylad said:
Said it so many times on this board but I’ll repeat again……

Debating is good. Stating your view (positive or negative) is fine.

It’s the frigging hissy fitters I cannot read without angst.
So if we lose or play poorly what we don’t get is: X needs to improve, or Y should be tried in the position or maybe Z tactic needs to be tried?
What we tend to get is Critch needs sacking, X should never play again, Y should be sold / loaned out and Z tactics are so bad that we are going down. Sadler should be buying players with experience in this league (ie spending millions outside of our revenue)

Bunch of crying babies that are unbearable.
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But that's just football fans, the world over isn't it?

It's a passionate game, people react....

I mean in contrast you also have the ridiculously positive types who are totally blinded by any sense of perspective... Who insist that we only lose because of bad refereeing decisions etc...

As fans go, we're probably one of the best supported teams out there
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
But that's just football fans, the world over isn't it?

It's a passionate game, people react....

I mean in contrast you also have the ridiculously positive types who are totally blinded by any sense of perspective... Who insist that we only lose because of bad refereeing decisions etc...

As fans go, we're probably one of the best supported teams out there
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Fair point.

Debate is good. Extremism is weird
 
Chunkylad said:
Said it so many times on this board but I’ll repeat again……

Debating is good. Stating your view (positive or negative) is fine.

It’s the frigging hissy fitters I cannot read without angst.
So if we lose or play poorly what we don’t get is: X needs to improve, or Y should be tried in the position or maybe Z tactic needs to be tried?
What we tend to get is Critch needs sacking, X should never play again, Y should be sold / loaned out and Z tactics are so bad that we are going down. Sadler should be buying players with experience in this league (ie spending millions outside of our revenue)

Bunch of crying babies that are unbearable.
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In short….Whoppers 😂
 
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