Wonder how Simon Sadler is feeling this morning?

Only SS and Critchley know what the remit is.

When he appointed Critchley I though SS must be really going for it. After all why appoint somebody who was going to split the fan base and not go for it.

On the other hand it could be that the aim is to stay in league 1 for a few seasons and Critchley just has to take the flak.

As 65 and Counting has said, funding a Championship side costs a fortune.
 
Chunkylad said:
Here’s another hypothetical. If Critchley had our 2020 squad available to him this season do you think he would have got us promoted?
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No, in 2020 he was adaptable and unpredictable. That was his biggest strength and he's lost that now. You only have to watch one of our games this season to see how we play week in and week out. In 2020 no one had any idea what formation or who we were going to play. The tinker man has forgotten how to tinker.
 
Kyle Seasider said:
No, in 2020 he was adaptable and unpredictable. That was his biggest strength and he's lost that now. You only have to watch one of our games this season to see how we play week in and week out. In 2020 no one had any idea what formation or who we were going to play. The tinker man has forgotten how to tinker.
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Tinkering with the lights off basically.
 
AngelBFC said:
Haven't we got a top 6 budget or have I made that up ?
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Neither you nor I know for sure what level of budget we've got. What we do know is that he received money for Yates, Dougall Dale and Tharme, and significant income from cup runs. I'm not sure all that has been reinvested in the playing side of the club.
 
65 & Counting said:
Neither you nor I know for sure what level of budget we've got. What we do know is that he received money for Yates, Dougall Dale and Tharme, and significant income from cup runs. I'm not sure all that has been reinvested in the playing side of the club.
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Have a read of this answers a lot of your questions.

"Since then, I have ploughed a further GBP18m of my family’s money into the Club. In this financial year alone, I expect to provide an additional GBP5m, this before any contribution to any large infrastructure projects. It’s this level of commitment that keeps Blackpool Football Club operational. It’s this investment that has given us a likely top six playing budget, and enables us to pay, for Kyle Joseph, the highest known transfer fee this year in League One. It’s this money that has helped us to bring in established pro’s like Oliver Norburn, Matthew Pennington, Richard O’Donnell and Jordan Rhodes, whilst also sign younger players such as Kyle, Tashan Oakley-Boothe, Albie Morgan and Kylian Kouassi - players who will hopefully develop into our stars of the future. It’s this that has allowed us to loan highly rated youngsters like Jensen Weir and Karamoko Dembele. I doubt that there is another owner or ownership group in League One that will make as large a financial contribution this season as the GBP5m that I will likely inject.

“But where’s the Critchley/Bowler/Yates money gone?” is the recent refrain. It’s certainly not been spent on wedding venues or woolly mammoths! These incoming transfer fee payments are staggered over time but the monies so far received have contributed to the spend on the playing squad. Player trading and reinvesting a majority of the income from player sales back into the playing squad is a vital part of our strategy and combined with my personal investment helps us to pay meaningful transfer fees, source high quality loan players and most importantly support a significantly higher wage bill than when we were last in this division. This has resulted in a transfer window and an assembled squad that the football professionals within the Club are more than happy with. I can also further assure you all that with David Downes in-situ we will use future windows as an opportunity to further improve the squad as we did every window when Neil was last with us."
 
65 & Counting said:
Neither you nor I know for sure what level of budget we've got. What we do know is that he received money for Yates, Dougall Dale and Tharme, and significant income from cup runs. I'm not sure all that has been reinvested in the playing side of the club.
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It doesn’t really matter about budgets. We previously competed averagely to decently in most games down in League One under Oyston budget constraints even if results weren’t amazing. I think we can take it as read that in real terms Sadler spends a greater proportion of resources than Oyston ever did on actual footballers, so to now be competing averagely to disastrously and deteriorating after 30 odd games and barely able to resemble a football team for a semi final cup game to play at Wembley is abject failure.

Sadler can get more for his money than backing Coach Charlatan any longer.
 
AngelBFC said:
Have a read of this answers a lot of your questions.

"Since then, I have ploughed a further GBP18m of my family’s money into the Club. In this financial year alone, I expect to provide an additional GBP5m, this before any contribution to any large infrastructure projects. It’s this level of commitment that keeps Blackpool Football Club operational. It’s this investment that has given us a likely top six playing budget, and enables us to pay, for Kyle Joseph, the highest known transfer fee this year in League One. It’s this money that has helped us to bring in established pro’s like Oliver Norburn, Matthew Pennington, Richard O’Donnell and Jordan Rhodes, whilst also sign younger players such as Kyle, Tashan Oakley-Boothe, Albie Morgan and Kylian Kouassi - players who will hopefully develop into our stars of the future. It’s this that has allowed us to loan highly rated youngsters like Jensen Weir and Karamoko Dembele. I doubt that there is another owner or ownership group in League One that will make as large a financial contribution this season as the GBP5m that I will likely inject.

“But where’s the Critchley/Bowler/Yates money gone?” is the recent refrain. It’s certainly not been spent on wedding venues or woolly mammoths! These incoming transfer fee payments are staggered over time but the monies so far received have contributed to the spend on the playing squad. Player trading and reinvesting a majority of the income from player sales back into the playing squad is a vital part of our strategy and combined with my personal investment helps us to pay meaningful transfer fees, source high quality loan players and most importantly support a significantly higher wage bill than when we were last in this division. This has resulted in a transfer window and an assembled squad that the football professionals within the Club are more than happy with. I can also further assure you all that with David Downes in-situ we will use future windows as an opportunity to further improve the squad as we did every window when Neil was last with us."
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We've all seen that blurb before and if you believe it all and are taken in by it and his ego then good for you. As far as I'm concerned I see us back in league 1 where we were when he came in 5 years ago. Also, we're still waiting for the promised new training complex and east stand.
You're easily taken in.
 
Tangerine Manc said:
Yes I do
You not think
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I’m honestly not too sure? I have frustrations with Critch and the formation but for me the current squad is nowhere near 2020 and he inherited a lot of it.

How many players from that Wembley team would you replace with our current players (I know it’s 4 years on etc)? I’m not convinced any - possibly the bench you’d have Dembele over KaiKai and yes Byers or Morgan over Virtue of then.

So I’m not convinced that Critch has the squad good enough to be where we think it should be yet.
 
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65 & Counting said:
We've all seen that blurb before and if you believe it all and are taken in by it and his ego then good for you. As far as I'm concerned I see us back in league 1 where we were when he came in 5 years ago. Also, we're still waiting for the promised new training complex and east stand.
You're easily taken in.
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The majority of fans dont seem to be questioning the commitment or investment.

How wisely he is spending that money is being fiercely debated which is fair enough.

The accounts suggest the investment is significant and massively outweighs income year in year out.
 
AngelBFC said:
The majority of fans dont seem to be questioning the commitment or investment.

How wisely he is spending that money is being fiercely debated which is fair enough.

The accounts suggest the investment is significant and massively outweighs income year in year out.
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I don't doubt that he lost money during the worst year of the covid pandemic. However, I and a fair number of others expected more investment on the playing side. I don't see anything like sufficient investment to reach the championship particularly when our better players have been sold and replaced with inferior ones. League 2 looks our next most likely destination.
 
65 & Counting said:
I don't doubt that he lost money during the worst year of the covid pandemic. However, I and a fair number of others expected more investment on the playing side. I don't see anything like sufficient investment to reach the championship particularly when our better players have been sold and replaced with inferior ones. League 2 looks our next most likely destination.
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He's lost money pretty much every year significant amounts.

I think he's into around 18 million at least plus the purchase price in just over 4 years. Its not the investment thats the issue for most from what i hear or read.

You refer to better players having been sold and replaced with inferior ones im not sure thats correct. Here are some of the replacements.

Yates - Rhodes and Joseph.

Bowler - Dembele

Dougall - Byers

Are they inferior ?

Who else are you on about ?
 
1 permanent and the 3 on loan, not bought.
Are you telling me that Joseph measures up to Yates? Yates scored goals at the level whereas Joseph has flopped. Also 2.5m income for Yates against 750k paid for Joseph.
Dembele and Byers have yet to reach the heights of Bowler and Dougall.
Rhodes, at 34, had a good first half of the season until injuries set in.
That kills your argument.
 
65 & Counting said:
Neither you nor I know for sure what level of budget we've got. What we do know is that he received money for Yates, Dougall Dale and Tharme, and significant income from cup runs. I'm not sure all that has been reinvested in the playing side of the club.
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Where is it then? SS is putting about 5m of his own money into the club to supplement the income, including transfer fees. Ticket sales are probably around 3m. That's a small fraction of our annual budget.

The downside of owning a football club is that a lot of your customers are ignorant, rude, miserable and angry. Only a fool would buy a football club, as a sole buyer, for the love of it.
 
65 & Counting said:
1 permanent and the 3 on loan, not bought.
Are you telling me that Joseph measures up to Yates? Yates scored goals at the level whereas Joseph has flopped. Also 2.5m income for Yates against 750k paid for Joseph.
Dembele and Byers have yet to reach the heights of Bowler and Dougall.
Rhodes, at 34, had a good first half of the season until injuries set in.
That kills your argument.
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Rhodes matches Yates I actually think he's better. Its not SS fault that someone smashed into his ribs.
Joseph hasnt flopped he is being developed just like Jerry was.
Dembele is as good as Bowler if not better.
Byers we haven't seen enough of yet he's only just joined us but his clubs rate him.
 
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voyeur said:
Where is it then? SS is putting about 5m of his own money into the club to supplement the income, including transfer fees. Ticket sales are probably around 3m. That's a small fraction of our annual budget.

The downside of owning a football club is that a lot of your customers are ignorant, rude, miserable and angry. Only a fool would buy a football club, as a sole buyer, for the love of it.
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Only a fool would buy a football club, as a sole buyer, for the love of it?

Then why no second owner to help fund quality buys for second tier stability?
 
voyeur said:
Where is it then? SS is putting about 5m of his own money into the club to supplement the income, including transfer fees. Ticket sales are probably around 3m. That's a small fraction of our annual budget.

The downside of owning a football club is that a lot of your customers are ignorant, rude, miserable and angry. Only a fool would buy a football club, as a sole buyer, for the love of it.
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Well, he shouldn't have bought it then.
 
AngelBFC said:
Rhodes matches Yates I actually think he's better. Its not SS fault that someone smashed into his ribs.
Joseph hasnt flopped he is being developed just like Jerry was.
Dembele is as good as Bowler if not better.
Byers we haven't seen enough of yet he's only just joined us but his clubs rate him.
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Rhodes isn't ours and is almost at the end of his career. Yates is much younger and he scored considerably more goals for us than Rhodes will.
Joseph doesn't score goals and never will.
Bowler proved his worth and brought in 2+m in transfer income. Dembele is yet to prove himself over a season, and isn't ours.
Byers hasn't nailed down a place yet, and he's not ours either.
Pool remain a selling club as it helps Sadler balance the books, and increasingly rely on loans of inferior quality and cost less.
 
65 & Counting said:
Rhodes isn't ours and is almost at the end of his career. Yates is much younger and he scored considerably more goals for us than Rhodes will.
Joseph doesn't score goals and never will.
Bowler proved his worth and brought in 2+m in transfer income. Dembele is yet to prove himself over a season, and isn't ours.
Byers hasn't nailed down a place yet, and he's not ours either.
Pool remain a selling club as it helps Sadler balance the books, and increasingly rely on loans of inferior quality and cost less.
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The books arent being balanced by this transfer income you keep banging on about . Year in year out SS props up the club according to the accounts.
 
Chunkylad said:
We fell hook, line and sinker for their tactics last night. I asked my Catalan mate who watched a lot of it on Sky how we should have played in his mind against Posh.

His view was teams like Posh need you to come and chase them. The defenders stand on the ball long enough for you to press and then pop it into space, two or three passes later it goes into midfield then forward again and you are all out of shape.

He said the teams that stop Barca playing (I’m not saying Posh are Barca btw) just sit back and don’t even bother pressing them. They wait for them to come into their half and then press them as it leaves no gaps behind. He felt we made the mistake on a decent sized pitch of trying to be attacking as maybe that’s what the fans expected / wanted? If we had sat back we could have done the reverse to them, got the first goal and then they start to panic and hurry their passing.

Interesting hearing his view - it resonates with me as we got suckered in so many times and a few passes later Connolly or Hubby were pulled out of position chasing a winger with massive hole left in centre.
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This was exactly what Blackpool did against high flying Swansea under Holloway back in the promotion season … but with a twist … we left 4 upfront, they had nobody to pass it around & didn’t know what to do !!

When we won it back we countered on them … smashed them 5-1

Talking of leaving people up front .. why the hell we don’t leave Dembele (or someone else)on the halfway line at defensive corners I don’t know … can’t offer much defensively & we can try to set them free if we win it back ;) 🙄
 
AngelBFC said:
The books arent being balanced by this transfer income you keep banging on about . Year in year out SS props up the club according to the accounts.
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You can't disregard transfer income nor can you make an argument that recruitment has been of similar quality to those cashed in on.
 
65 & Counting said:
Pool remain a selling club as it helps Sadler balance the books, and increasingly rely on loans of inferior quality and cost less.
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Every club is a selling club if the price is right.
Last summer, Liverpool bought from Brighton & Bayern Munich.
Chelsea bought from Man City & RB Leipzig.

Two of those selling clubs have made huge advances by developing and selling talent, which is one of Sadler's stated aims - to finance incoming transfers and yes, to balance the books.
Our recruitment under Sadler started well - a big factor in the 2021 promotion - but has been below par (partly due to the clusterfuck of last season).
Get that right on a regular basis and we'll make sustained progress. But that needs the right people at management level, which is where Sadler is being failed now. He's putting substantial money in, but not getting value for it.
 
65 & Counting said:
There was interest and had Sadler opted against buying then someone would have stepped in.
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No there wasn’t. I really can’t be bothered digging it out again but Oyston tried to sue the administrator using the same argument. It went to the Court of Appeal and I posted the judgment on here. There was a joke bid from China. A bid for the ground but not the club from a local businessman (presumed to be Pilley initially but probably Swan). And the bid from Sadler.

If you think there’s a long line of potential buyers for the club who’d produce the results you want, then you are deluding yourself.

Back Sadler. And if Sadler backs Critchley then back him too. Anything else and you’re deluding yourself.
 
voyeur said:
Sure, a lifetime of moaning into the cosmos. 🤷‍♂️
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Gives you something to do
Mexboroseasider said:
No there wasn’t. I really can’t be bothered digging it out again but Oyston tried to sue the administrator using the same argument. It went to the Court of Appeal and I posted the judgment on here. There was a joke bid from China. A bid for the ground but not the club from a local businessman (presumed to be Pilley initially but probably Swan). And the bid from Sadler.

If you think there’s a long line of potential buyers for the club who’d produce the results you want, then you are deluding yourself.

Back Sadler. And if Sadler backs Critchley then back him too. Anything else and you’re deluding yourself.
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You continue your love in with Sadler and Critchley if you wish. You have no idea who may be out there with an interest in buying the club.
 
Toastrack said:
Every club is a selling club if the price is right.
Last summer, Liverpool bought from Brighton & Bayern Munich.
Chelsea bought from Man City & RB Leipzig.

Two of those selling clubs have made huge advances by developing and selling talent, which is one of Sadler's stated aims - to finance incoming transfers and yes, to balance the books.
Our recruitment under Sadler started well - a big factor in the 2021 promotion - but has been below par (partly due to the clusterfuck of last season).
Get that right on a regular basis and we'll make sustained progress. But that needs the right people at management level, which is where Sadler is being failed now. He's putting substantial money in, but not getting value for it.
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....and after 5 years you'd think he would have come to that conclusion.
 
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