Would relegation be a disaster?

Thatseasider said:
You can spin these things lots of ways really.

The new ownership has a 100% record of get out of League One for instance.

Look relegation would be completely shite, no arguments here. Especially after the stable base we had at the end of last season.

I think where I’m more optimistic than most in the event of relegation is, I think we’d get back up again in a Reasonable time frame.
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I am not sure how you spin that fact. it speaks for itself.
 
John Deary me said:
I worry that the so called players to come back are not really up to the job. The crocks really aren't the saviour.
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I think you're right. Sure, we've got a lot of injuries but are any of them key players who could make that big difference? I don't think so. And yep, sure Stewart, Bridcutt and Ward are all out injured but only one of them would play in our starting line up. In other words for me, too much is being made of this injury crisis. As it stands, that won't be a major factor if we were to go down.
 
20togo said:
I think you're right. Sure, we've got a lot of injuries but are any of them key players who could make that big difference? I don't think so. And yep, sure Stewart, Bridcutt and Ward are all out injured but only one of them would play in our starting line up. In other words for me, too much is being made of this injury crisis. As it stands, that won't be a major factor if we were to go down.
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Exactly, it's excuse after excuse. The manager seems to be copping a lot of flack but the majority is self inflicted. Engage with the media engage with the fans tell them how it is . He'd gain more respect, We are weak in most areas we needed players in September without these injuries so January is pivotal to staying up. A good manager puts pressure on the chairman publicly.
I personally think it's gone to far , the damage is done and fresh blood is needed on all fronts.
 
Hockaday’s Quiff said:
I am not sure how you spin that fact. it speaks for itself.
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To be honest everything you said was inaccurate, we haven’t been in league one for 50 years.

Everything I said was accurate. The current ownership and management had one full year in League One and got us promoted.

I’ve seen re-election, rattling around the basement with sub 3,000 crowds in a half useable stadium. If we slip back into that, then yes anything that gets us there is a disaster.

In no way do I think relegation to league one this year is a good move for us. But it’s far from a disaster.
 
Thatseasider said:
To be honest everything you said was inaccurate, we haven’t been in league one for 50 years.

Everything I said was accurate. The current ownership and management had one full year in League One and got us promoted.

I’ve seen re-election, rattling around the basement with sub 3,000 crowds in a half useable stadium. If we slip back into that, then yes anything that gets us there is a disaster.

In no way do I think relegation to league one this year is a good move for us. But it’s far from a disaster.
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You said ‘we have got out of L1 multiple times before’ - we have gone upwards twice in 50 years. Those are the facts. They are undisputed.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I 've been regularly arguing with fans that want more and more money invested in the squad to stay in this division. I still believe I am right in not expecting Simon to be a bottomless pit ,but religation would be a disaster . I just hope we can stay up with the return of our injured and maybe a couple of extra players.
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We don’t need more and more money, just less and less crocks, wasting money we do have.
 
It would be pretty much a disaster in my opinion, any decent players we have would or could leave, we would be operating on less income along with smaller crowds and back to square one grubbing around in the bargain basement.

We don't need to spend stupidly or overhaul the entire squad, we just need a bit of quality in positions that make a difference like a Championship quality centre half, midfielder and forward, a big ask I know but the lack of them has been obvious from the start of the season. In short, quality over quantity.

Something needs to change in our current model, so that's back Appleton to do the job or get rid and get someone else in who can do the job. Either way we simply must make every effort to stay in this league.
 
The sentiment on here is clear, none of us wants relegation. But the reality is that at every step we operate like a league 1 team. Think back to the manager recruitment in summer, it was all about taking on a young manager with potential, not an experienced championship manager. Then we end up with MA. Too early to judge Mr Rosenier, and Barnsley seem to be l doing okay, but in truth the choices weren't very inspiring.
Then player recruitment. We missed out on the "big" targets, so we move onto the younger less experienced players like Write. I don't think they were desperate signings, but rather looking to the future. Certainly not good enough to stay up though.
All in all, I think the club are prepared to go down and stick with the model of buy cheap, develope and sell on. Not saying I agree with it, and in truth we may have missed a great opportunity to establish ourselves in the championship, but that is the only logic I see for sticking with MA and not signing proven players. Of course this may all change in January 🤞
 
Hockaday’s Quiff said:
You said ‘we have got out of L1 multiple times before’ - we have gone upwards twice in 50 years. Those are the facts. They are undisputed.
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Guess this is a case of don’t argue with stupid.

Twice out of League One IS multiple times. FACT.

We were not in League One for 50 years. We spent time in every division during that period. FACT.

We have gone upwards during that time period through a variety of divisions 7 times. FACT.

“We have gone upwards twice in 50 years” is actually not factual. It’s not a secret it’s out there on the internet for you to search.

I suddenly feel all Rafa Benitez
 
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Yarmouth Seasider said:
It would be pretty much a disaster in my opinion, any decent players we have would or could leave, we would be operating on less income along with smaller crowds and back to square one grubbing around in the bargain basement.

We don't need to spend stupidly or overhaul the entire squad, we just need a bit of quality in positions that make a difference like a Championship quality centre half, midfielder and forward, a big ask I know but the lack of them has been obvious from the start of the season. In short, quality over quantity.

Something needs to change in our current model, so that's back Appleton to do the job or get rid and get someone else in who can do the job. Either way we simply must make every effort to stay in this league.
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I wouldn’t trust Appletons judgement on signing players, he spent weeks trying to sign Bridcutt, then pissed himself when he got him. That went well.
 
Thatseasider said:
Guess this is a case of don’t argue with stupid.

Twice out of League One IS multiple times. FACT.

We were not in League One for 50 years. We spent time in every division during that period. FACT.

We have gone upwards during that time period through a variety of divisions 7 times. FACT.

“We have gone upwards twice in 50 years” is actually not factual. It’s not a secret it’s out there on the internet for you to search.

I suddenly feel all Rafa Benitez
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That’s like being ravaged by a sheep in sheeps clothing.
 
Yarmouth Seasider said:
It would be pretty much a disaster in my opinion, any decent players we have would or could leave, we would be operating on less income along with smaller crowds and back to square one grubbing around in the bargain basement.

We don't need to spend stupidly or overhaul the entire squad, we just need a bit of quality in positions that make a difference like a Championship quality centre half, midfielder and forward, a big ask I know but the lack of them has been obvious from the start of the season. In short, quality over quantity.

Something needs to change in our current model, so that's back Appleton to do the job or get rid and get someone else in who can do the job. Either way we simply must make every effort to stay in this league.
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I agree in principle with what you are saying but those 3 players in January would cost a minimum of 5 to 10 million for the full set. Plus wages and agents fees. Just don't think we have the ability or the inclination to spend that sort of money.
 
John Deary me said:
I worry that the so called players to come back are not really up to the job. The crocks really aren't the saviour.
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I’ve been saying this all along that the crocks should / when they return are not going to be our saviours. I doubt Kevin Stewart will ever play for us again, Bridcutt is so injury prone that we’d be lucky to get 10 game out of him for the rest of the season and that’s being generous. Our only opportunity going forward to get us out of our current predicament is the January window which we need to get spot and we know how difficult this window can be.
 
South Shore Seasider said:
The sentiment on here is clear, none of us wants relegation. But the reality is that at every step we operate like a league 1 team. Think back to the manager recruitment in summer, it was all about taking on a young manager with potential, not an experienced championship manager. Then we end up with MA. Too early to judge Mr Rosenier, and Barnsley seem to be l doing okay, but in truth the choices weren't very inspiring.
Then player recruitment. We missed out on the "big" targets, so we move onto the younger less experienced players like Write. I don't think they were desperate signings, but rather looking to the future. Certainly not good enough to stay up though.
All in all, I think the club are prepared to go down and stick with the model of buy cheap, develope and sell on. Not saying I agree with it, and in truth we may have missed a great opportunity to establish ourselves in the championship, but that is the only logic I see for sticking with MA and not signing proven players. Of course this may all change in January 🤞
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You made my argument better than I did.
 
Hockaday’s Quiff said:
That’s like being ravaged by a sheep in sheeps clothing.
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I'm not really sure what that means.
Relegation would be bad; I just have a bit of faith currently that we'd gain promotion again out of League One.

The counter to my argument is that we spent 36 years in the Third and Fourth tiers in that 50 year time frame, with only brief forays higher, so it points to us struggling get up to the second tier at all. However the caveat here is the two regimes that span that 36 were up there with some of the worst in English Football. It cannot be that bad again, I think it physically impossible.

The club is just a completely different beast under Sadler, he will make mistakes, of course. But they're all made in good faith. He and the people he employs are striving for the best BFC can be. Over the last 15 years we've shown that we could compete at the top end of League One and mid way in the Championship with moderate investment and a bit of luck.

Relegation would be annoying, especially as we had a good base to build from after the end of last season. But it wouldn't mean the end of the club or its ambitions in the medium to long term, it could set us back a few years and we have to endure League One again, but I've seen far worse happen to this club, and to me I'd bet it'd be a minor speed bump over the course of Sadler's tenure.
 
gjr69 said:
I agree in principle with what you are saying but those 3 players in January would cost a minimum of 5 to 10 million for the full set. Plus wages and agents fees. Just don't think we have the ability or the inclination to spend that sort of money.
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Yes, I think you are 100% right on that, I guess my post is more in hope than what we are able/inclined to spend. We've made a massive rod for our own back really by failing to land any of our targets in the summer when we could have probably spent a little less to get some quality through the door rather than the desperation that will accompany the January window.
Mind you there should still be the Critchley compensation money and Bowlers fee to spend, unless it's all already spoken for. The final nail however would be selling Yates or any of our other half decent players, if that happens it sends out a clear message that relegation is acceptable, I sincerely hope not.
 
We could go down and bounce back up.

The big teams who have been down there and struggled have had financial difficulties or ever changing ownership.

Other teams have bounced back, it’s possible that we could be back in the Championship in a far better position than we’re in now and then it wouldn’t have been a disaster at all.

People seem to lose their heads pretty easily these days when it’s just football, nobody wants us to go down but it wouldn’t be a huge shock or disaster to anyone without tangerine specs.
 
No
Aberfan, Bhopal, Chernobyl, the Haitian earthquake etc. were disasters
This'll just be a poorly managed side going back to their proper level
 
Am pretty sure we all scoffed when the likes of Derby and Barnsley fans were saying this last year. Our current squad would be lucky to be mid-table in League One.
 
Albert Ross said:
I wouldn’t trust Appletons judgement on signing players, he spent weeks trying to sign Bridcutt, then pissed himself when he got him. That went well.
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Do you honestly think the manager wanted to sign Liam Bridcutt, or Grant Ward for that matter? Both were forced upon him as we couldn't/wouldn't sign anyone better.
Bridcutt was someone he knew and Ward was already here training with us, they were the easy/cheap options.
 
HighfieldSeasider said:
Do you honestly think the manager wanted to sign Liam Bridcutt, or Grant Ward for that matter? Both were forced upon him as we couldn't/wouldn't sign anyone better.
Bridcutt was someone he knew and Ward was already here training with us, they were the easy/cheap options.
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He wanted to sign Bridcutt, he didn’t want Ward. However they are both a waste of a shirt, Bridcutt because he has played 100 games, not all of them full games in 6 years and Ward because he didn’t want him and he isn’t even in the match day squad. I could understand Bridcutt if he had been unlucky with an injury, but like Stewart he is made of tissue paper and always has been. Lets face it at 32/33 he’s not suddenly going to start playing 40 games a season.
 
Albert Ross said:
He wanted to sign Bridcutt, he didn’t want Ward. However they are both a waste of a shirt, Bridcutt because he has played 100 games, not all of them full games in 6 years and Ward because he didn’t want him and he isn’t even in the match day squad. I could understand Bridcutt if he had been unlucky with an injury, but like Stewart he is made of tissue paper and always has been. Lets face it at 32/33 he’s not suddenly going to start playing 40 games a season.
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No he didn't the window was closed so options were limited
 
Philbfctrois said:
No he didn't the window was closed so options were limited
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He wanted Bridcutt, he said, before signing him, he’s an asset to the squad either on the field or in the dressing room. But as I said on in an earlier post, if neither are going to play, they might as well not be here. The club, and a lot of fans, keep saying we have one of the smallest budgets in the division, yet we are wasting it on crocks and panic signings. I know the window was closed, but we shouldn’t be signing just anyone to get bodies in the door.
 
20togo said:
Exactly. It's staggering to read some of the shit being written on here.
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The only division we have found it relatively easy to get promoted from is league 2. That's because we are a big club for that division.
League 1 is where we have spent many years because we are similar in stature to loads of league 1 clubs.
In recent times we have spent a bit of time in the Championship and had a couple of exceptional seasons but more often than not because of the finances the club generates we have been looking over our shoulder at league 1.
For us to regularly appear in the top half of the championship it is going to take significant additional funds to be pumped in for a few years. I don't know if Sadlers has the will or the way to do this.
To summarise, it would be good to stay in the Championship but somebody will have to fund it, size of our crowds won't do it and it is really hard to get out of league 1 but relegation wouldn't be a disaster.
 
It would be a massive problem and cost us ~£10M, with loss of TV rights and gate receipts. The other issue being getting promoted back being far from a given. We'd more than likely be under a new manager, our better players would probably want to stay in the Championship and every bit of the momentum we had been building will have been lost, so yes, it would be a disaster.
 
gjr69 said:
The only division we have found it relatively easy to get promoted from is league 2. That's because we are a big club for that division.
League 1 is where we have spent many years because we are similar in stature to loads of league 1 clubs.
In recent times we have spent a bit of time in the Championship and had a couple of exceptional seasons but more often than not because of the finances the club generates we have been looking over our shoulder at league 1.
For us to regularly appear in the top half of the championship it is going to take significant additional funds to be pumped in for a few years. I don't know if Sadlers has the will or the way to do this.
To summarise, it would be good to stay in the Championship but somebody will have to fund it, size of our crowds won't do it and it is really hard to get out of league 1 but relegation wouldn't be a disaster.
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Yep, it would be disaster. Sadlers aims for the club isn't to be stuck in L1. He said he wanted promotion in three seasons. If we went back down then he'd be the owner of L1 in his fourth season so I can hardly see him being happy with relegation. To grow the club and all aspects of it including financially we need to be a Championship club. So yep, relegation can't be anything but a disaster. I genuinely believe all those saying otherwise fail to grasp the setback relegation would be.
 
20togo said:
Yep, it would be disaster. Sadlers aims for the club isn't to be stuck in L1. He said he wanted promotion in three seasons. If we went back down then he'd be the owner of L1 in his fourth season so I can hardly see him being happy with relegation. To grow the club and all aspects of it including financially we need to be a Championship club. So yep, relegation can't be anything but a disaster. I genuinely believe all those saying otherwise fail to grasp the setback relegation would be.
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Well if its considered a disaster by Sadler he definitely needs to spend some serious money and possibly needs to change the head coach.
 
Sadler wants that 1 or 2 or possibly 3 seasons in the Prem to bankroll all the infrastructure development. To get there a club needs to be knocking on the door for a few seasons beforehand. “Measured progress” as I think someone used to say. 😉

We cannot hope to be as lucky as we were in 2010 when promotion was somewhat out of the blue. So relegation could put those plans back by several years. Would Sadler stick with it or cut his losses then? We desperately need him to stay, it’s the first time in decades we have had stability.
 
Greennutmegsmoore said:
Many will shoot me down here but I wonder if board see relegation as quite the calamity some fans do. They have always presented club as a long term community project and promotion came ahead of schedule. With it came raised expectations and pressure for short term signings ahead of infrastructure development.
Not of course saying relegation would not be had news and depressing but we won't be first team to discover staying in Championship is harder than getting there. Of course board will want to stay up but maybe not gamble silly money doing so.
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100% yes
 
The standard of League 1, especially the top half,has vastly improved over the year. Last year Argyle finished with 80 points & never made the play-offs. It's bleddy difficult to get out of because there's so many mahoosive clubs like The Wendies with big budgets, big squads & mahoosive followings.
 
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