XL Bully dog ban

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Reading the news about the recent attack by one of these breeds, the home secretary is now trying to add them to the banned list in this country.

My thoughts on this are that unfortunately certain breeds attract a certain type of nob head, and as with pit bulls, they're a status symbol for people that think they're hard/ scary. They're also the ones that crop their ears and don't really have a lot of love for animals. Breeders have inbred them many times to get them to be larger, which as a dog bred for fighting, doesn't help their psychological outlook.. These dogs are then bought and raised on aggression and therefore end up being ticking time-bombs.

For people that say all dogs are dangerous, I don't believe that, these ones seem specifically to be aggressive towards other dogs and and humans.

A ban wouldn't bother me, and it's a shame that it's always the dog that gets put down - give out much heavier penalties to poor owners.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
On TalkTv, a telephone contributor 'Tristan' from Blackpool has one. To be fair he seemed a very responsible owner, albeit why have one in the first place.
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There will be responsible owners that train them and treat them well. The issue is there are breeds of dog that the wrong people go for. You never see a chavvy thug with a Border Collie or a Labrador. I dont understand doing this to a dog at all, unless you want it to look aggressive because you've got an inferiority complex:
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I had a bad situation on Thursday morning early into my dog ownership.
Walking my lab on the prom, with his lead on, some fellas dog came trotting over to my boy, without his lead. He just starred at Denzil as still as anything whilst his owner caught up. After about 10 seconds his owner said oooo his backs gone up, that’s not good.

The dog then proceeded to attack Denzil, going for his face, aggressively, and I just kept pulling Denzil away. After 3 or 4 onslaughts it’s owner managed to get hold of him, but he looked too frightened to even attempt to up until that point. I had a 2 second flash thought in the midst of all that, that me and my dog were toast.
It was a large ish staffie, and my message is, if you are too scared to handle your own dog then something is wrong with the dog, or you, and put it on a lead because the rest of us don’t want to be collateral damage.
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
There will be responsible owners that train them and treat them well. The issue is there are breeds of dog that the wrong people go for. You never see a chavvy thug with a Border Collie or a Labrador. I dont understand doing this to a dog at all, unless you want it to look aggressive because you've got an inferiority complex:
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Oi - I've got a border collie. How dare you accuse me of not being a chavvy thug.
 
Lala said:
I had a bad situation on Thursday morning early into my dog ownership.
Walking my lab on the prom, with his lead on, some fellas dog came trotting over to my boy, without his lead. He just starred at Denzil as still as anything whilst his owner caught up. After about 10 seconds his owner said oooo his backs gone up, that’s not good.

The dog then proceeded to attack Denzil, going for his face, aggressively, and I just kept pulling Denzil away. After 3 or 4 onslaughts it’s owner managed to get hold of him, but he looked too frightened to even attempt to up until that point. I had a 2 second flash thought in the midst of all that, that me and my dog were toast.
It was a large ish staffie, and my message is, if you are too scared to handle your own dog then something is wrong with the dog, or you, and put it on a lead because the rest of us don’t want to be collateral damage.
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Shocking Lala - I feel exactly the same. The Kennel Club code is not to let your dog off the lead unless it is fully under control (which would be a rarity). Sounds like that was never going to happen with that owner anyway. An awful experience for you and actually you standing still was exactly the right thing to do.
 
Mikeyboy said:
Shocking Lala - I feel exactly the same. The Kennel Club code is not to let your dog off the lead unless it is fully under control (which would be a rarity). Sounds like that was never going to happen with that owner anyway. An awful experience for you and actually you standing still was exactly the right thing to do.
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I surprised myself really with how much I kept it together. But you don’t always feel the shock until afterwards and luckily Denzil seems fine, if not a bit more barky around other dogs when we are out now.
 
I agree to a point..

95% of dogs, would just lie on their backs and wait for you to give them a tummy tickle and are no danger at all..
You don't hear much about people being savaged by a Pug or hassled by a cock-a-poo, so it's of no use to muzzle.

Dogs that can cause serious injury....and we know what breeds they are.....Yes, in any public areas.
But we also need a digital dog license being set up to stop people buying dogs and to ensure they are looked after.

How many times do you hear that dogs that attack were passed on to a new owner and 'just went mad'
 
Lala said:
I had a bad situation on Thursday morning early into my dog ownership.
Walking my lab on the prom, with his lead on, some fellas dog came trotting over to my boy, without his lead. He just starred at Denzil as still as anything whilst his owner caught up. After about 10 seconds his owner said oooo his backs gone up, that’s not good.

The dog then proceeded to attack Denzil, going for his face, aggressively, and I just kept pulling Denzil away. After 3 or 4 onslaughts it’s owner managed to get hold of him, but he looked too frightened to even attempt to up until that point. I had a 2 second flash thought in the midst of all that, that me and my dog were toast.
It was a large ish staffie, and my message is, if you are too scared to handle your own dog then something is wrong with the dog, or you, and put it on a lead because the rest of us don’t want to be collateral damage.
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You wonder why they let them off the lead near other dogs or people when they know they might react. Always the owner's fault, not the dog.
 
Lala said:
I had a bad situation on Thursday morning early into my dog ownership.
Walking my lab on the prom, with his lead on, some fellas dog came trotting over to my boy, without his lead. He just starred at Denzil as still as anything whilst his owner caught up. After about 10 seconds his owner said oooo his backs gone up, that’s not good.

The dog then proceeded to attack Denzil, going for his face, aggressively, and I just kept pulling Denzil away. After 3 or 4 onslaughts it’s owner managed to get hold of him, but he looked too frightened to even attempt to up until that point. I had a 2 second flash thought in the midst of all that, that me and my dog were toast.
It was a large ish staffie, and my message is, if you are too scared to handle your own dog then something is wrong with the dog, or you, and put it on a lead because the rest of us don’t want to be collateral damage.
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Next time contact the police.

Dogs should be on leads in public areas, it does my head in when they're not.

The number of times some have taken bad with ours and the the owners trotted over 'oh he's never done that before', Mrs Lytham usually then starts a tirade of verbal abuse in their direction, surprising how defensive and innocent some wankers get when they can't control their own dog.

We avoid any Staffies or the like, they don't seem to like Collies.
 
Mikeyboy said:
Shocking Lala - I feel exactly the same. The Kennel Club code is not to let your dog off the lead unless it is fully under control (which would be a rarity). Sounds like that was never going to happen with that owner anyway. An awful experience for you and actually you standing still was exactly the right thing to do.
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It is actually the law that dogs should be under control at all times, and that means on a lead unless perfect recall and non aggressive with other dogs, etc. After our dogs have been attacked, I have been very vocal with a few Richard heads with off lead dogs.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Next time contact the police.

Dogs should be on leads in public areas, it does my head in when they're not.

The number of times some have taken bad with ours and the the owners trotted over 'oh he's never done that before', Mrs Lytham usually then starts a tirade of verbal abuse in their direction, surprising how defensive and innocent some wankers get when they can't control their own dog.

We avoid any Staffies or the like, they don't seem to like Collies.
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Ye I will do next time 👍

When he’d plucked up the courage to get hold of his own dog again he apologised and said ‘ yours will be like that one day’ and I thought no he bloody won’t, and, what‘s that got to do with anything, nonsensical deflecting 💁‍♀️

Mrs Lytham does right. I was in a bit of shock really and just glad when it was over. I should have given the fella both barrels looking back.

Anyway, made us both a bit wary now to be honest. Denzil is as soft as putty and I’m taking him an hour or so earlier in the morning now so it’s a bit quieter.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The number of times some have taken bad with ours and the the owners trotted over 'oh he's never done that before', Mrs Lytham usually then starts a tirade of verbal abuse in their direction, surprising how defensive and innocent some wankers get when they can't control their own dog.
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When we lived in the Lakes, the missus used to take our old Goldie out every day up near Ambleside. She often met this short sighted bloke with two dogs. One often went for Dudley, and the bloke said every time" he's never done that before". Stupid as well as shortsighted!
 
Lala said:
Ye I will do next time 👍

When he’d plucked up the courage to get hold of his own dog again he apologised and said ‘ yours will be like that one day’ and I thought no he bloody won’t, and, what‘s that got to do with anything, nonsensical deflecting 💁‍♀️

Mrs Lytham does right. I was in a bit of shock really and just glad when it was over. I should have given the fella both barrels looking back.

Anyway, made us both a bit wary now to be honest. Denzil is as soft as putty and I’m taking him an hour or so earlier in the morning now so it’s a bit quieter.
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Sorry it had shaken you both Lala - we’ve had it with our dog, who’s also soft, the classic ‘he’s not done that before’. We always put Reg back on the lead when we see other people and dogs, for his safety more than anything.
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
Sorry it had shaken you both Lala - we’ve had it with our dog, who’s also soft, the classic ‘he’s not done that before’. We always put Reg back on the lead when we see other people and dogs, for his safety more than anything.
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Ye, Denzil was on his lead, this thing just came over at us which is why it worries me now as it’s kind of out of my control 😳
I’ll just try and change direction now if a lead less dog is in the vicinity. It’s not on though is it really 😡
And thanks Junior, we are fine, but his barking when out has definitely increased since Thursday bless him.
 
Where we walk him, we see other people and dogs we know, and when they’re off the lead together they love to play and run around together. Always put him on a lead though we we see children or dogs we don’t know, or ones we know can be aggressive.
Put it down to one of those unfortunate incidents and report it if it happens again, try not to change your habits because of one gormless dog owner.
 
Goose said:
I have a Shitzu , just brought her to Spain for a month. Rescue dog she’s great.
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Like them very much as a breed, goose. I always think a rescue dog knows its been rescued and turns out a cracker.

Ive rescued Border Collies, Dobermanns,Boxers and Pugs before, and everyone of them was fantastic.

I have two Frenchies now which are superb
 
It's good to let your dogs have a run about be it on the beach or in the countryside, but you really need to keep your wits about you. I've either been lucky or having given certain dogs a wide berth may have helped & apart from the occasional bit of barking nothing serious. But I have seen a pretty large Husky attacked by something resembling a bull type terrier & it took a lot of us to get the thing off. It appears nobody really has the balls to actually make these bans stick & it all seems a bit woolly. So I doubt anything much will change anytime soon, in people who shouldn't be allowed to own a hamster will still manage to keep dogs to reflect their images. All we can do is choose where we take our dogs & be vigilant.
 
Some dreadful stories about dogs recently, and every year children get mauled by some aggressive dog somewhere in England. I think when someone gets mauled by a dog, the dog should be put down, and the owner jailed for 5 years… that would resolve the issues almost completely and make things safer for those of us who don’t like these dangerous dogs.
 
A big part of Newsnight covering this issue tonight.
The stats on these dogs since they arrived here in 2018 ish are terrible in terms of attacks and fatalities on humans and other dogs. I think they said an average of a dog a day was killed by them in July and most of the current human deaths due to dangerous dogs are caused by these as well.
Sounds like a ban is already overdue.
 
glasshalffull said:
A big part of Newsnight covering this issue tonight.
The stats on these dogs since they arrived here in 2018 ish are terrible in terms of attacks and fatalities on humans and other dogs. I think they said an average of a dog a day was killed by them in July and most of the current human deaths due to dangerous dogs are caused by these as well.
Sounds like a ban is already overdue.
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Yep, they have to go.

We managed without them prior to 2018, and only a certain type of **** will miss them.
It almost makes me want to arm myself to walk my dog, or myself, and that’s just not right.
 
I think you did really well Lala to retain a slight level of composure. I take my 2 year old JR out on a love crusade, she's absolutely smashing with all dogs & humans. If any dog off its lead went for her I'd go ballistic & probably boot the dog up in the air & then deck the owner 🤬.
I've been lucky up to now with other dogs off their leads & try not to prejudge certain breeds but there's always tension if it's a large bulldog type.
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
Reading the news about the recent attack by one of these breeds, the home secretary is now trying to add them to the banned list in this country.

My thoughts on this are that unfortunately certain breeds attract a certain type of nob head, and as with pit bulls, they're a status symbol for people that think they're hard/ scary. They're also the ones that crop their ears and don't really have a lot of love for animals. Breeders have inbred them many times to get them to be larger, which as a dog bred for fighting, doesn't help their psychological outlook.. These dogs are then bought and raised on aggression and therefore end up being ticking time-bombs.

For people that say all dogs are dangerous, I don't believe that, these ones seem specifically to be aggressive towards other dogs and and humans.

A ban wouldn't bother me, and it's a shame that it's always the dog that gets put down - give out much heavier penalties to poor owners.
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I think your points are valid but I think some people live in rough areas so have a dog like that for their own protection.

Also, there is a much bigger problem going on. Criminals, who used to do county line drug dealing, have moved across to dog breeding. This is because the price they get for drugs and dogs is similar but the sentences far less for dog offences. You can imagine the types of dogs which are most popular with their kind of clientele.

Panarama did a feature on it.
 
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Lala said:
I had a bad situation on Thursday morning early into my dog ownership.
Walking my lab on the prom, with his lead on, some fellas dog came trotting over to my boy, without his lead. He just starred at Denzil as still as anything whilst his owner caught up. After about 10 seconds his owner said oooo his backs gone up, that’s not good.

The dog then proceeded to attack Denzil, going for his face, aggressively, and I just kept pulling Denzil away. After 3 or 4 onslaughts it’s owner managed to get hold of him, but he looked too frightened to even attempt to up until that point. I had a 2 second flash thought in the midst of all that, that me and my dog were toast.
It was a large ish staffie, and my message is, if you are too scared to handle your own dog then something is wrong with the dog, or you, and put it on a lead because the rest of us don’t want to be collateral damage.
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Did he look like a knob head Lala. sorry to hear about this it is so distressing .
 
I've had three dogs, A wire haired terrier, a Big 8 stone lump half breed between a Lab and god knows what, and a border collie /lab cross.

All three were great with people and children but the Terrier was a sod for attacking larger dogs than itself and had to be kept on a lead.

Like wise my daughter has two Shitzu's, brothers but 12 months apart. Both are kept on leads and the elder of the two will, if not controlled, go for larger black dogs. Why? I don't know. both OK with kids and other humans.

I regularly see a youngish bloke being pulled around by a muscle built monstrosity of a dog and have said to the wife , if it sets off he has no chance. It's this kind of dog and owner that are the problem. Proven in Birmingham the other day.
 
I won't pretend to be a dog person myself but a good thread.

It's refreshing to hear good honest responsible dog owners acknowledge the problems caused by other dog owners.

LALA - You just should not have to put up with that and pleased to hear that your dog and yourself are OK.

As also exemplified by Lytham and Moss, there are far too many ^Our Bessie doesn't bite^ dog owners out there and it's just not good enough.

Although I am not for dogs myself, I appreciate the joy that they bring their owners and that the vast majority of owners have respect for those around them.
 
Couple of Sundays ago, two women with a Staffie each in Carleton. On leads but stronger than their owners and wanting to fight anything they came across. Cars having to stop and people cross the road to avoid. They were trying to get at two other dogs also on leads. Staffie owners offered no apologies to anyone. Someone called the police who said they couldn't act unless there was an attack. Vet advised me to report to dog warden. Providing you don't endanger your dog or self, try to get some mobile footage of their behaviour either for police or social media to shame them. The net is beginning to close in on dick head, ego-dog owners I hope.
 
Here in Vienna you have to keep your dog on a lead and they need to be muzzled on public transport, they have dog parks in every neighbourhood that you can let your dog of the lead in, you have poo bag dispensers provided in quite a few streets, chavs on the whole do not exist and neither do mad dogs. In kids playgrounds dog are not allowed.
 
Lala said:
Yep, they have to go.

We managed without them prior to 2018, and only a certain type of **** will miss them.
It almost makes me want to arm myself to walk my dog, or myself, and that’s just not right.
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I might just have an idea for what you could ‘arm’ yourself with!

Recently, my husband was working at his house when he heard a commotion outside. There was a young girl crying, holding her small dog on its lead and its head was firmly clamped in the mouth of a much larger dog which had no intention of letting go. The big dog’s old owner was obviously panicking and had no idea what the hell to do. My husband did though… he ran back inside and got the other half of his chicken sandwich which he put right next to the dog’s nose which twitched a bit and hey presto it was distracted just enough to be able to pull it off!

I was mightily impressed with his ingenuity.. plus the fact he was willing to sacrifice half his lunch 😂

Edit.. Although I’m making light of it, he said it was very upsetting to see..
 
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Lytham_fy8 said:
Next time contact the police.

Dogs should be on leads in public areas, it does my head in when they're not.

The number of times some have taken bad with ours and the the owners trotted over 'oh he's never done that before', Mrs Lytham usually then starts a tirade of verbal abuse in their direction, surprising how defensive and innocent some wankers get when they can't control their own dog.

We avoid any Staffies or the like, they don't seem to like Collies.
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Unfortunately the police won’t act if it’s a dog on dog attack ….. hence the small dog on Crossland Road park being savaged to death by one of these XL Bullies a couple of weeks ago and the owner who is well known in the area doing a runner and not even being spoken to. Makes my blood boil and unfortunately I see it several times a week in and around my shop…… they should definitely be banned in my opinion and until they are there are unfortunately going to be more deaths, especially kids competing in the same family unit 🥲
 
Martonmosser said:
Unfortunately the police won’t act if it’s a dog on dog attack ….. hence the small dog on Crossland Road park being savaged to death by one of these XL Bullies a couple of weeks ago and the owner who is well known in the area doing a runner and not even being spoken to. Makes my blood boil and unfortunately I see it several times a week in and around my shop…… they should definitely be banned in my opinion and until they are there are unfortunately going to be more deaths, especially kids competing in the same family unit 🥲
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I didn't know about the Crossland one, don't go on there much now but does the owner have a couple and let them off every early afternoon? If so I know the one you mean.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Like them very much as a breed, goose. I always think a rescue dog knows its been rescued and turns out a cracker.

Ive rescued Border Collies, Dobermanns,Boxers and Pugs before, and everyone of them was fantastic.

I have two Frenchies now which are superb
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Love frenchies, not many dogs I don’t like. Before we got the rescue when we were away we’d always make time for the rescue centres in Spain and take some dogs for a walk.
Horrendous to see some of them, I’d always end up with the two biggest dogs that had not been walked and my wife would cop the smallest. 😀
 
I gather Bully XL are not genetically recognised breed, so there is not legal way of making them a banned breed 😞 As an aside, I came across a story that 2 Bully XLs had got in a sheep barn, killed 25? and injured many more. Farmer was paid out for the killed, but no cover on his insurance for the injured, with huge vet bills.

I know it has been suggested on here before, but a dog licence, ring fenced for council dog wardens, could help fund proper enforcement.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
I think your points are valid but I think some people live in rough areas so have a dog like that for their own protection.

Also, there is a much bigger problem going on. Criminals, who used to do county line drug dealing, have moved across to dog breeding. This is because the price they get for drugs and dogs is similar but the sentences far less for dog offences. You can imagine the types of dogs which are most popular with their kind of clientele.

Panarama did a feature on it.
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Horrible read. There's some scumbags out there 🤬
 
Tangerinemoss said:
I gather Bully XL are not genetically recognised breed, so there is not legal way of making them a banned breed 😞 As an aside, I came across a story that 2 Bully XLs had got in a sheep barn, killed 25? and injured many more. Farmer was paid out for the killed, but no cover on his insurance for the injured, with huge vet bills.

I know it has been suggested on here before, but a dog licence, ring fenced for council dog wardens, could help fund proper enforcement.
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Make the license payable per kilogram.
 
Goose said:
Love frenchies, not many dogs I don’t like. Before we got the rescue when we were away we’d always make time for the rescue centres in Spain and take some dogs for a walk.
Horrendous to see some of them, I’d always end up with the two biggest dogs that had not been walked and my wife would cop the smallest. 😀
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Brilliant stuff mate
 
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