XL Bully dog ban

My dog goes on a lead as she can be snappy around other dogs (despite being tiny). REALLY grinds my gears dog walkers who roam around in public places with their dogs running wild.

We always walk my dog in very quiet places and occasionally, if there is absolutely nobody around she can come off her lead. But as soon as we see other dogs she is safely back on her lead. And then other owners dogs come bounding over not on leads and we have to pick her up as when sniffed around she will snap at them.

People moan when their dogs get attacked. ALL dogs should be on leads as behaviourally they are all wired differently. Have no issued with them coming off leads if there are no other dogs around but in my experience people have zero consideration for others.
 
I've been watching an American Prog with Rocky Kanaka.
Great Prog and it shows that even the very tough breeds can be very even tempered and friendly, if treated properly.
Great prog if you're a dog lover.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
I gather Bully XL are not genetically recognised breed, so there is not legal way of making them a banned breed 😞 As an aside, I came across a story that 2 Bully XLs had got in a sheep barn, killed 25? and injured many more. Farmer was paid out for the killed, but no cover on his insurance for the injured, with huge vet bills.

I know it has been suggested on here before, but a dog licence, ring fenced for council dog wardens, could help fund proper enforcement.
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I’d agree about a dog license, but I’d go way further. I’d have compulsory chipping, and every copper and PCSO carrying a chip reader, checking every dog they walk past on their patch. If I could go full scale draconian, I’d make it illegal for anyone under 18 to walk a dog without an adult, and adults having to carry photo ID.
 
Macseasider said:
My dog goes on a lead as she can be snappy around other dogs (despite being tiny). REALLY grinds my gears dog walkers who roam around in public places with their dogs running wild.

We always walk my dog in very quiet places and occasionally, if there is absolutely nobody around she can come off her lead. But as soon as we see other dogs she is safely back on her lead. And then other owners dogs come bounding over not on leads and we have to pick her up as when sniffed around she will snap at them.

People moan when their dogs get attacked. ALL dogs should be on leads as behaviourally they are all wired differently. Have no issued with them coming off leads if there are no other dogs around but in my experience people have zero consideration for others.
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My dogs never go in leads because I know how to train and respect dogs, where I live there are literally hundreds of street dogs that roam around and there is zero problem with my or any other dogs when they interact.

In the UK people have created dog issues because of ignorance and fear.
 
Most dogs are ok but you never know for sure, a sniff can turn into a snarl for no apparent reason obvious to us. That said most people are ok but you also never know for sure. I’m not putting our dog on a lead permanently & will continue to make judgments on where is suitable for him to be free to have a wander & sniff to his hearts content. I’ll be looking more actively though for any dog’s that look like Chav’s. As for the banning of dangerous breeds it appears you can’t specify a none registered one to ban it, so unless you rewrite the legalisation to cover all dogs of a certain description or a list a mile long you’ve no chance. I’d also imagine a backlash from decent owners of say Staffy’s for example. Something needs to be done but it’s far from easy & who’s going to police it.
 
My local social media is regularly stacked with posts looking for dog-walkers from people who are obviously young enough to walk their own dogs, but who are assumedly unable/unwilling to take the time/trouble necessary to care for and walk their dog(s).

Appreciate there may be exceptions, due to genuine personal circumstances, but suspect there are far too many who take on dogs without thinking of/taking on the equal responsibility of properly training & looking after them & really just want a cuddly toy to welcome them home & then be played with for 10 minutes before Netflix etc kicks in for the evening.

The rewards of properly owning a dog are huge - yes, you’ll receive unconditional love 24/7 & I’d be totally lost without my top fella - but equally you have to accept the cost that comes with that. You’re effectively taking on a toddler that never grows up & needs walking etc irrespective of whether you’re tired, it’s Christmas Day, your birthday, football day, it’s snowing/p*ssing it down etc

Not forgetting those times that any dog owner will tell you about, when they feel unwell & need to sh*t and/or puke, inevitably @ 3am on a January morning - and then again an hour later, just as you’ve got back off to sleep again.

Then, just as you come in cursing, with ice-cold rain dripping off your nose & your feet turning slightly blue - you look at that silly bloody face again, and see the love & appreciation in their eyes - and it’s all worth it & you’re lost once more….
 
AlternativeSeaside said:
My dogs never go in leads because I know how to train and respect dogs, where I live there are literally hundreds of street dogs that roam around and there is zero problem with my or any other dogs when they interact.

In the UK people have created dog issues because of ignorance and fear.
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You don't know how to train my dog though do you?

And as nice as your dogs are, if they approached my little dog they'd be bitten. Fact. That's why I have her on a lead and mind my own business. Cannot be doing with other people's marauding dogs.

Also people (many children) are scared of dogs and letting them run loose is very intimidating.

Selfish owners do selfish things.
 
Macseasider said:
You don't know how to train my dog though do you?

And as nice as your dogs are, if they approached my little dog they'd be bitten. Fact. That's why I have her on a lead and mind my own business. Cannot be doing with other people's marauding dogs.

Also people (many children) are scared of dogs and letting them run loose is very intimidating.

Selfish owners do selfish things.
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By the same token inadequate owners tend to have inadequate dogs
 
AlternativeSeaside said:
By the same token inadequate owners tend to have inadequate dogs
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Indeed pal. After months of training out little dog (who is tiny and no real threat to any other dog) just couldn't stop reacting to having her little lady bits sniffed at from bigger dogs that come bounding over.

She's a phenomenal little dog and rolls over for kids who prod, pick her up and play ball with her. She rolls over to all strangers for a tickle. She's also fine with other dogs given a bit of an introduction. It's just bigger dogs that come leaping over trying to sniff her all over she get's totally spooked. I don't blame her either.

So we actively stop that from happening to protect firstly her from getting hurt, and secondly stopping any other dogs from getting nipped by keeping ourselves to ourselves and her on a LEAD.

example of what happens. Mr or Mrs "I like dogs a bit too much" show up in wellies, and a Barbour jacket with 15 carrier bags in their pockets letting 3 big dogs loose from their Vauxhall Astra van to go sprinting about. "They're friendly" the owner shouts as my little girls picks up our little dog in a panic as these 3 dogs zero in on ours whilst the owner is 400 metres away shouting "Jeffrey, Polly" etc and in zero control of his animals. They eventually have to come marching over with looking flustered and make their dogs away.
 
Martonmosser said:
Good news today 👍🏼 Let’s hope Mr Sunak keeps to his word
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He's worked out that the XL Bully owners are unlikely to vote Conservative whereas the Labrador/Retriever/Pekingese owners are.
But, yes, its the obvious choice. Just what to do about the estimated 10,000 or more XL Bully dogs currently living in the UK?
Destroy/Export/Neuter/Muzzle ? It will take about 10 years to work through their lives.
 
Archibald Knox said:
He's worked out that the XL Bully owners are unlikely to vote Conservative whereas the Labrador/Retriever/Pekingese owners are.
But, yes, its the obvious choice. Just what to do about the estimated 10,000 or more XL Bully dogs currently living in the UK?
Destroy/Export/Neuter/Muzzle ? It will take about 10 years to work through their lives.
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There's not a lot that will happen with existing dogs, but the breeding/puppy farming will stop so they'll disappear as a breed in ten years.

Then some dick will just slightly cross breed to invent a new one that isn't banned.
 
Another yesterday 😳
It seriously worries me now whenever I see a dog with a bully look about it.

RIP fella, awful way to go.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Man mauled to death by two dogs in Walsall named by police

The victim, later named as 52-year-old Ian Price, was taken to hospital but died shortly after arriving. Footage of the incident sparked concern and prompted Home Secretary Suella Braverman to seek “urgent advice” on whether American XL Bully dogs should be banned.
uk.news.yahoo.com uk.news.yahoo.com
 
When I was a kid I got attacked by a pitbull , took most of my calf muscle and would have probably done me in if my grandad wasn't there, have never been able to shake the fear when I see one off it's lead since.

Conflicting cause I think in many ways they bring out the best in people but yeah, I live in a bit of a "progressive" west coast American city where a lot of businesses encourage you to bring your dog to work!, bit much if you ask me.
 
Lala said:
Another yesterday 😳
It seriously worries me now whenever I see a dog with a bully look about it.

RIP fella, awful way to go.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Man mauled to death by two dogs in Walsall named by police

The victim, later named as 52-year-old Ian Price, was taken to hospital but died shortly after arriving. Footage of the incident sparked concern and prompted Home Secretary Suella Braverman to seek “urgent advice” on whether American XL Bully dogs should be banned.
uk.news.yahoo.com uk.news.yahoo.com
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Awful. For the people that say any dog can be dangerous, the difference with these is they can be 60 kilos in weight, be inbred with already underlying aggressive tendencies, and that’s before being owned by scrotes who do nothing to nurture and train the animal the right way.
 
See there’s now a little counter campaign against a ban “problem not the breed it’s the owner”?

Well yes agreed, but that’s the same problem as if you want a cat and decide to buy a frigging leopard. It’s a breed of cat and can look cute but it’s a breed that’s just basically bloody dangerous.

The internet and social media has shown us that a massive chunk of society are total fuckwits and therefore cannot be trusted to choose anything sensibly never mind find their arse with both hands. Like during Covid when they had to make clear statements not to drink bleach to kill the virus…..

Ban ownership otherwise idiots will buy.
 
From what I've read they'll be no cull of these dogs. Owners will need to get them tattooed and chipped plus a muzzle will need to be worn when walking them.
 
I've always had dogs and currently have 4, 3 smalls and a mahoosive! I walk them where there isn't anyone, not because they are vicious, they aren't although the smallest on, Carrot, is a cross between a Jack Russell and a Daschund and thinks he's a GSD, he would go flying at any other dog, even though he loves other dogs so he is only let off the lead if there is no one or dog around. Te other 3 are soft as could possibly be and love everyone. When we go on holiday to the Norfolk coast Carrott only its let off when the beach is empty, which is most of the time to be fair.

He was from Ireland and we got him as a 1 year old and he had spent his first year locked in a shed and kicked and beaten every day so it took some time to turn him into the super dog he is now. The biggie is a rescue from Spain, a cross between a Spanish Greyhound and a Spanish Mastin and weighs it at 45kg. She is the softest, dopiest dog I have ever owned and just loves playing.

I see they are not going to cull the breed, owners will be able to keep their Bully's under strict recommendations, which is good, but there will always be another waiting in the wings for the thick, macho, Gangsta owners, they are the ones who should be given long prison sentences.
 
hertfordseasider said:
I've always had dogs and currently have 4, 3 smalls and a mahoosive! I walk them where there isn't anyone, not because they are vicious, they aren't although the smallest on, Carrot, is a cross between a Jack Russell and a Daschund and thinks he's a GSD, he would go flying at any other dog, even though he loves other dogs so he is only let off the lead if there is no one or dog around. Te other 3 are soft as could possibly be and love everyone. When we go on holiday to the Norfolk coast Carrott only its let off when the beach is empty, which is most of the time to be fair.

He was from Ireland and we got him as a 1 year old and he had spent his first year locked in a shed and kicked and beaten every day so it took some time to turn him into the super dog he is now. The biggie is a rescue from Spain, a cross between a Spanish Greyhound and a Spanish Mastin and weighs it at 45kg. She is the softest, dopiest dog I have ever owned and just loves playing.

I see they are not going to cull the breed, owners will be able to keep their Bully's under strict recommendations, which is good, but there will always be another waiting in the wings for the thick, macho, Gangsta owners, they are the ones who should be given long prison sentences.
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There’s the rub though. It’s not responsible owners we need to be concerned at. They’ll train their dog and act appropriately.

It’s that under class of bell ends that will leave your child or pet lying in a pool of blood. The dog gets put down. The owner gets a fine they can’t or won’t pay, and then wait until the next incident.
 
Chunkylad said:
See there’s now a little counter campaign against a ban “problem not the breed it’s the owner”?

Well yes agreed, but that’s the same problem as if you want a cat and decide to buy a frigging leopard. It’s a breed of cat and can look cute but it’s a breed that’s just basically bloody dangerous.

The internet and social media has shown us that a massive chunk of society are total fuckwits and therefore cannot be trusted to choose anything sensibly never mind find their arse with both hands. Like during Covid when they had to make clear statements not to drink bleach to kill the virus…..

Ban ownership otherwise idiots will buy.
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Very good point 👏 👏
 
Chunkylad said:
There’s the rub though. It’s not responsible owners we need to be concerned at. They’ll train their dog and act appropriately.

It’s that under class of bell ends that will leave your child or pet lying in a pool of blood. The dog gets put down. The owner gets a fine they can’t or won’t pay, and then wait until the next incident.
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I really don't understand why anyone living in a 'normal domestic' environment would need to have such a strong, aggressive breed of dog TBH. In the same way I would not be keen on my neighbour owning a tiger.
 
Any ** who would choose to buy an XL Bully dog is not fit to own any dog at all. Even a chihuahua. It’s all about them and their ego, their inferiority complex, their nastiness and their tiny dick, not the dog itself.
 
This thread falls into the "my dog is soft" so many posters saying it.

Every dog is soft - until it isn't.

Every dog should be on a lead in public as the absolute minimum. I get it's almost impossible to police; but so was wearing a seat belt until we did.

Two little anecdotes.

Took my in-laws dogs for a walk in the fields on North Yorkshire about 20 years ago. Trained brilliantly well, off the lead for the majority of the time. Glorious to see a Lab and Springer running at full tilt.

Not any bother; until one day they saw a deer - and they were gone - and no amount of recall training was going to stop them.

And our King Charles has been a brilliant family pet - apart from killing a wood pigeon and trying to kill our kitten.

Dogs are fine, but they are closer to wolf than we really want to admit.

I'd ban any dog with a locking jaw or a jar strength which is over a certain power. Something which recognises the biting strength.
 
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from one who knows . dog bites are horrible . ex postman twice bitten . i once booted a dog in its balls . yes it was going to atack. got reported by the scum bag owner. no futhre action was taKEN. BY the royal mail .
 
JOHNMAJORTOM said:
from one who knows . dog bites are horrible . ex postman twice bitten . i once booted a dog in its balls . yes it was going to atack. got reported by the scum bag owner. no futhre action was taKEN. BY the royal mail .
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Ex Postman here.
I remember going to a house on either Kempston of Kenwyn Ave.
They had a dog which always went mad when I delivered mail, snarling etc, fortunately behind closed doors.
I decided to get my own back and held on to the letters partly through the box.
The dog went mad and grabbed the envelopes, I held on.
Hope the house holder could read the ripped letters. 😉
 
Davepick said:
Ex Postman here.
I remember going to a house on either Kempston of Kenwyn Ave.
They had a dog which always went mad when I delivered mail, snarling etc, fortunately behind closed doors.
I decided to get my own back and held on to the letters partly through the box.
The dog went mad and grabbed the envelopes, I held on.
Hope the house holder could read the ripped letters. 😉
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aaah well done. i used to deliver on kenwyn and Kempton. seems a million years ago.
 
its ALright FOLKS . ON tik tok a XL bulldog owners RALLY HUNDREDS of D.......DS in ONE place. Birmingham I THINK. Good place to drop a bomb. job done.
 
Macseasider said:
My dog goes on a lead as she can be snappy around other dogs (despite being tiny). REALLY grinds my gears dog walkers who roam around in public places with their dogs running wild.

We always walk my dog in very quiet places and occasionally, if there is absolutely nobody around she can come off her lead. But as soon as we see other dogs she is safely back on her lead. And then other owners dogs come bounding over not on leads and we have to pick her up as when sniffed around she will snap at them.

People moan when their dogs get attacked. ALL dogs should be on leads as behaviourally they are all wired differently. Have no issued with them coming off leads if there are no other dogs around but in my experience people have zero consideration for others.
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Yes. We have a greyhound, so always on the lead as we'd not catch up. Other dogs are always coming up to us, with clearly no recall training. As it happens, he's a right softie, but it wouldn't be my fault if he reacted badly.
 
Two Staffys (one all white the other brown and white) walk between Carleton and Poulton along Poulton Road.
Normally one or two women with them. They want to fight anything they come across and owners don't seem to care.
Police not interested but should be the first to admit that once 'in the zone' everything is game, dogs, children and people.
I was told by an ex police handler that the dogs don't discriminate; if it runs it's a target.
 
Tangerine10 said:
Two Staffys (one all white the other brown and white) walk between Carleton and Poulton along Poulton Road.
Normally one or two women with them. They want to fight anything they come across and owners don't seem to care.
Police not interested but should be the first to admit that once 'in the zone' everything is game, dogs, children and people.
I was told by an ex police handler that the dogs don't discriminate; if it runs it's a target.
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Scum.
 
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