Yesterdays attendance..

kuriousoranj

kuriousoranj

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doesn't seem to be a figure out there?

Swansea claiming they had 1500 there so I'd guess around 10,500 to 11,000?
 
poolseasider said:
1265 down on last season and they say charging an extra £5 to away fans makes more more does it fuck.
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It’s August, lots of people are away, home & away fans.

Train strikes, not many want to sit on a coach from South Wales. With the heatwave, some will not have fancied the road trip.

It was the air show and a nightmare for those travelling in - took me over 2 hours for a 50 minute journey, setting off at 10am.

Nothing to do with the extra £5.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
It’s August, lots of people are away, home & away fans.

Train strikes, not many want to sit on a coach from South Wales. With the heatwave, some will not have fancied the road trip.

It was the air show and a nightmare for those travelling in - took me over 2 hours for a 50 minute journey, setting off at 10am.

Nothing to do with the extra £5.
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Trains where running from Wales and then the change Manchester to Blackpool my mate gets that train.👍

More Swans than last season also so our homes was actually down.

With living away you don't know what the feeling is around the town about £30 I speak to many casuals who won't pay it so it's everything to do with the extra £5.
 
poolseasider said:
Trains where running from Wales and then the change Manchester to Blackpool my mate gets that train.👍

More Swans than last season also so our homes was actually down.

With living away you don't know what the feeling is around the town about £30 I speak to many casuals who won't pay it so it's everything to do with the extra £5.
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Looks like around 500 less home fans than the Reading game

I think pricing is not helping , those who pick games now and then are probably going to be picking even less
 
First game I went to in 1964/65 season was at home v Burnley and attendance was only 11,000 and we had Waiters, Armfield, Ball etc in the team. Lots of low gates like that in the 60’s if you check online.
 
poolseasider said:
Trains where running from Wales and then the change Manchester to Blackpool my mate gets that train.👍

More Swans than last season also so our homes was actually down.

With living away you don't know what the feeling is around the town about £30 I speak to many casuals who won't pay it so it's everything to do with the extra £5.
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But they can buy a membership.

Re the trains, it’s more the uncertainty and not all fans live where their club is. I’d have got the train yesterday, but I couldn’t rely on Northern Rail.

Guarantee that if we were challenging for promotion the home tickets would sell out at the current prices, just as they do for the odd big games. We have many fickle fans.

I absolutely get that for some it’s really tough, it will be for most of us going forward.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
But they can buy a membership.

Re the trains, it’s more the uncertainty and not all fans live where their club is. I’d have got the train yesterday, but I couldn’t rely on Northern Rail.

Guarantee that if we were challenging for promotion the home tickets would sell out at the current prices, just as they do for the odd big games. We have many fickle fans.

I absolutely get that for some it’s really tough, it will be for most of us going forward.
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But even buying a membership means you have to commit to four games in order to gain any benefit. I just don't see many fans being prepared to commit to that. Think the whole pricing policy is shocking. And it's a harsh reality that based on what we've seen so far not many casual fans and whoever else are going to want to pay £30 a game. The club has already got it's nucleus of committed fans who will go no matter what. They need to do so much more to attract other fans. On the pitch they are not doing it and the pricing policy isn't doing it either.
 
20togo said:
But even buying a membership means you have to commit to four games in order to gain any benefit. I just don't see many fans being prepared to commit to that. Think the whole pricing policy is shocking. And it's a harsh reality that based on what we've seen so far not many casual fans and whoever else are going to want to pay £30 a game. The club has already got it's nucleus of committed fans who will go no matter what. They need to do so much more to attract other fans. On the pitch they are not doing it and the pricing policy isn't doing it either.
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To be fair to the Board, they cannot develop a business plan based on fans who might not even attend 4 games.

The fact remains that for big games or when we are pushing, these casual fans are there and will pay the money. That will be the same again this season.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
To be fair to the Board, they cannot develop a business plan based on fans who might not even attend 4 games.

The fact remains that for big games or when we are pushing, these casual fans are there and will pay the money. That will be the same again this season.
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yep, i get your point. But the pricing policy is not encouraging them to attend any games. Empty seats brings you no revenue. It's hard to judge at this point but I would say that out average attendace will be a good few down on last season. Different factors for that of course but one of them is the pricing policy. So exactly how much extra revenue will there be?
 
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20togo said:
yep, i get your point. But the pricing policy is not encouraging them to attend any games. Empty seats brings you no revenue. It's hard to judge at this point but I would say that out average attendace will be a good few down on last season. Different factors for that of course but one of them is the pricing policy. So exactly how much extra revenue will there be?
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I honestly don’t think they’d attend if it was £20, except for the big games or if we are top end of the table. That’s is the encouragement they want, but for me that’s not being a fan.

Ultimately the £5 too much argument amounts to the price of a pint every 2 weeks. For the vast majority of casual fans it is a choice not made on cost. At the same time, there will be true fans who cannot afford to attend at any price. That really bothers me.
 
poolseasider said:
Trains where running from Wales and then the change Manchester to Blackpool my mate gets that train.👍

More Swans than last season also so our homes was actually down.

With living away you don't know what the feeling is around the town about £30 I speak to many casuals who won't pay it so it's everything to do with the extra £5.
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There were less Swans than last season.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I honestly don’t think they’d attend if it was £20, except for the big games or if we are top end of the table. That’s is the encouragement they want, but for me that’s not being a fan.

Ultimately the £5 too much argument amounts to the price of a pint every 2 weeks. For the vast majority of casual fans it is a choice not made on cost. At the same time, there will be true fans who cannot afford to attend at any price. That really bothers me.
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yeah get that as well, but if it's not made on cost then was is it made on\? As I said earlier it's not the attractive style of football we are playing. For me it we want to get extra fans thru the turnstles on a regular basis the two biggest key factors are cost and what's happening on the pitch. And these last few months I just sense there's a bit of disenfanchisement with the club on a few issues.
 
20togo said:
But even buying a membership means you have to commit to four games in order to gain any benefit. I just don't see many fans being prepared to commit to that. Think the whole pricing policy is shocking. And it's a harsh reality that based on what we've seen so far not many casual fans and whoever else are going to want to pay £30 a game. The club has already got it's nucleus of committed fans who will go no matter what. They need to do so much more to attract other fans. On the pitch they are not doing it and the pricing policy isn't doing it either.
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Are you saying they’ll pay £30 if we start winning. Or £25 if they buy a membership and we start winning. I always thought you should stick by your club/team win or lose!
 
20togo said:
yeah get that as well, but if it's not made on cost then was is it made on\? As I said earlier it's not the attractive style of football we are playing. For me it we want to get extra fans thru the turnstles on a regular basis the two biggest key factors are cost and what's happening on the pitch. And these last few months I just sense there's a bit of disenfanchisement with the club on a few issues.
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All about opinions. I hated the football under Critchley last season. I can see good signs with plenty more to come from MA and the squad. I’m very positive and for me, seeing the development from the start, good & bad, is what being a fan is all about. If some fans only want to come when the tough times have passed, then I won’t lose sleep over them.
 
Trammo said:
First game I went to in 1964/65 season was at home v Burnley and attendance was only 11,000 and we had Waiters, Armfield, Ball etc in the team. Lots of low gates like that in the 60’s if you check online.
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I have just dug out a 1967 programme (october), in divion two (now the Championship) and had a crowd of 20,905 against Palace, have to say we were second from top of the league and our reserves were third from top of the old central league, above Liverpool and City, so we were doing well.
I did check online and in 64/65 found our next league game after Burnley was Liverpool with an attendance of 21k and a few weeks later 18k against Arsenal.
Our average for that season was a shade over 18k.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
All about opinions. I hated the football under Critchley last season. I can see good signs with plenty more to come from MA and the squad. I’m very positive and for me, seeing the development from the start, good & bad, is what being a fan is all about. If some fans only want to come when the tough times have passed, then I won’t lose sleep over them.
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It is good to see the development, in the promotion season we couldnt buy a win at the start, and for me it all turned around with a turgid 1 nil win again mk dons.

Mind you, i still wouldnt want to pay 30 quid
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
aAll about opinions. I hated the football under Critchley last season. I can see good signs with plenty more to come from MA and the squad. I’m very positive and for me, seeing the development from the start, good & bad, is what being a fan is all about. If some fans only want to come when the tough times have passed, then I won’t lose sleep over them.
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Football under Critchley was pretty dire but he achieved what we needed and that was to stay in this division. And Appleton has to do the same. I'm yet to be convinced we are good enough. I just think every team seems more comfortable on the ball than us. Other teams don't seem to have to hurry passes to the same extent we do. It's all about that first touch and other players getting into space and being aware of what's around them. We've brought in three attacking P/L loan players and they have to quickly get up with the pace and physicality of the Championship and then start to impose thier supposed quality on games. And I know it's only a few games in but they've not done that yet. Of course, it's not just down to them. Our other forward players need to learn about where to run and to anticipate passes being made. Our defensive players need to look up and be able to find these players when they are in space. I hope we can get there, it's vital for survival that we do but there's a long way t go. Of course all the off field issues and developments are important but for e much more important than anything else is that we stay up.
 
SomersetSeasider said:
Are you saying they’ll pay £30 if we start winning. Or £25 if they buy a membership and we start winning. I always thought you should stick by your club/team win or lose!
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Yep, I think that but it's a harsh reality that football doesn't work like that and never has. Why do you think crowds at every team rise and fall depending on what division they are in? Do you seriously think we'd get the same crowds if were at the bottom of the league as opposed to being at the top. Many football fans want to see a successful team.
 
20togo said:
Yep, I think that but it's a harsh reality that football doesn't work like that and never has. Why do you think crowds at every team rise and fall depending on what division they are in? Do you seriously think we'd get the same crowds if were at the bottom of the league as opposed to being at the top. Many football fans want to see a successful team.
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Yep many factors but doing well for any team see more come, thats life.

Price another factor, yes for big games or if you're going for promotion people can overwrite the price largely, but not all consistently.

It may only be a few quid or a pint or two as people like to say, but price has a big effect, psychologically and literally.

People don't like to feel ripped off, over charged or pushed beyond limits.

There's a reason why 2.99 sells more than 3 quid. Small differences in price can make a big difference.

Hitting an impulse buy price point can make people feel like they are getting an absolute bargain, so that's why cheaper prices or deals are important for building the fanbase.

A once in a while fill the stadium deal for 10, 15 quid or whatever will help new fans, less well off fans etc and some will get hooked and come again more regularly as a result.

I really don’t get why some claim price has no impact, it clearly does and always has in anything.
 
If you are going to stop one member buying multiple tickets at a discount, you are then really requiring already flaky fans to layout a lot of money per person or just pay the £30. I reckon they will pay the £30 once or twice or not going at all if we aren’t winning would be the decision of most. I can’t see the memberships flying out of the door.

The membership should be a fiver max if you are persisting with this away fans money grab at the expense of a rocking home crowd.
 
clappers said:
If you are going to stop one member buying multiple tickets at a discount, you are then really requiring already flaky fans to layout a lot of money per person or just pay the £30. I reckon they will pay the £30 once or twice or not going at all if we aren’t winning would be the decision of most. I can’t see the memberships flying out of the door.

The membership should be a fiver max if you are persisting with this away fans money grab at the expense of a rocking home crowd.
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Theres certain things you have to hit with the membership.

"(b) where the Home Club provides a paid membership scheme for Home supporters that provides discount on match tickets, that discount must be made available on a similar basis to supporters of the visiting Club, unless the discount provided is proportionate to the price paid for the membership.

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By similar basis we mean that the discounts should be offered to season ticket holders and (where applicable) members of the visiting Club membership scheme.

The basis on which proportionality is applied to the discount given on match tickets against the cost of membership is calculated by working out how many matches a supporter would need to attend to recoup the cost of the membership. On this basis the League considers a minimum attendance of 3 matches to be reasonable. For example if the cost of membership is £6 and the supporter receives £2 discount on the price of a match ticket, this would be deemed proportionate, however, if the supporter receives a £3 discount on the price of a match ticket, this would not be deemed proportionate."

I'm beginning to think the cat system was better, with the on the day gone. At least for lesser games it was cheaper. Bigger games with more draw sell better anyway.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I honestly don’t think they’d attend if it was £20, except for the big games or if we are top end of the table. That’s is the encouragement they want, but for me that’s not being a fan.

Ultimately the £5 too much argument amounts to the price of a pint every 2 weeks. For the vast majority of casual fans it is a choice not made on cost. At the same time, there will be true fans who cannot afford to attend at any price. That really bothers me.
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I'm not a ST holder and I'm limited with what games I can attend.

I'll tell you now that £30 compared to £20 is putting me off. I won't be the only one too
 
Of course this isnt actually the attendance.

The police actually have the correct attendance details, as in the number of people actually in the ground.
Im not sure why clubs insist on counting an absent season ticket holder in the attendance, when they are not in fact in attendance. Why dont they just report the same figures they give to the police.
 
East Beach said:
Great resource for attendances over the years

England historical attendance and performance

european-football-statistics.co.uk
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That’s really interesting looking at those stats. Makes you realise what a low point in our history we reached in season 1982/1983, and how far we have come.
82/83 we finished our record low of 21st in division 4 having been deducted 2 points for fielding an illegible player by the EFL and had to reapply for election. It was the season of our record low average attendance of only 3002, much worse than even our boycott season in the 4th tier, and to top it off we were knocked out the FA cup by the Knobbers!
Could you imagine the rage on AVFTT if we had a season like that!!🤯
 
Whitstabletangerine said:
I have just dug out a 1967 programme (october), in divion two (now the Championship) and had a crowd of 20,905 against Palace, have to say we were second from top of the league and our reserves were third from top of the old central league, above Liverpool and City, so we were doing well.
I did check online and in 64/65 found our next league game after Burnley was Liverpool with an attendance of 21k and a few weeks later 18k against Arsenal.
Our average for that season was a shade over 18k.
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Well the Liverpool gate was certainly an improvement on the previous season( 1963/64) which was only 13,254. Some other low ones from 63/64 were v Brum 10,203, v The Massive a not so big 12,908, v Burnley 12,938.
 
The Catcher in the Rye said:
That’s really interesting looking at those stats. Makes you realise what a low point in our history we reached in season 1982/1983, and how far we have come.
82/83 we finished our record low of 21st in division 4 having been deducted 2 points for fielding an illegible player by the EFL and had to reapply for election. It was the season of our record low average attendance of only 3002, much worse than even our boycott season in the 4th tier, and to top it off we were knocked out the FA cup by the Knobbers!
Could you imagine the rage on AVFTT if we had a season like that!!🤯
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Some of those boycott years’ average attendances would have been far lower than 3,002. They were inflated to include all the unused free tickets given away by the Oystons.
 
clappers said:
If you are going to stop one member buying multiple tickets at a discount, you are then really requiring already flaky fans to layout a lot of money per person or just pay the £30. I reckon they will pay the £30 once or twice or not going at all if we aren’t winning would be the decision of most. I can’t see the memberships flying out of the door.

The membership should be a fiver max if you are persisting with this away fans money grab at the expense of a rocking home crowd.
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I've already decided I might not go to a single home match this season and am completely fine with it. Have sorted the kids out with their STs, am not pissing around with paying for a membership on top of that. Which ever way you swing it, that first game is going to cost £40. No. Have seen posts saying like it or lump it etc well I've chosen to lump it.
 
rockontommy said:
I've already decided I might not go to a single home match this season and am completely fine with it. Have sorted the kids out with their STs, am not pissing around with paying for a membership on top of that. Which ever way you swing it, that first game is going to cost £40. No. Have seen posts saying like it or lump it etc well I've chosen to lump it.
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Very honest to come out and say this. If fans like you are making that decision it doesn’t bode well for the future.
 
clappers said:
Very honest to come out and say this. If fans like you are making that decision it doesn’t bode well for the future.
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It is what it is for now. Others are into the Pool more than me (eg the bin lids) and will pay it, and that's fine. The only thing that bugs me is people at the club are paid decent money to come up with this shit and I've got an image of some board meeting with graphs, bar charts and a spreadsheet being used to justify it to SS when a shit kicker from Bispham could've told him for free it ain't right.
 
Some of this is just excuses. The difference is the price of a pie and a drink.
But one other thing to consider is the pricing categories. We have Adults, over 60s, under 21s, under 18s and under 12s. So a significant proportion are not paying the top rate. I just checked some other clubs. Many have memberships, most don't have an 18-21 category. Most seniors are over 65, not 60.
Here's Swansea home pricing, for example:
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TimperleyTangerine said:
It’s August, lots of people are away, home & away fans.

Train strikes, not many want to sit on a coach from South Wales. With the heatwave, some will not have fancied the road trip.

It was the air show and a nightmare for those travelling in - took me over 2 hours for a 50 minute journey, setting off at 10am.

Nothing to do with the extra £5.
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The traffic was horrendous and it was half 3 by the time we got to the ground. All the car parks were full and the surrounding roads crammed too, so just drove back home to Preston..🙄
 
I've had to give up my season ticket due to a change in my personal circumstances. I'd be happy to pay £20 to sit in one of the many empty seats I saw on the TV on Saturday when I can get down there but the thought of pissing around with membership schemes leaves me cold so I probably won't bother.
Another issue that wasn't tackled by the board is how to fill the SW and SE corners of the ground that are rarely used.
I wouldn't sit there but some people would if the price was reduced, needs a novel solution to bolster the gate and revenue coming in.
 
Fargo99 said:
I've had to give up my season ticket due to a change in my personal circumstances. I'd be happy to pay £20 to sit in one of the many empty seats I saw on the TV on Saturday when I can get down there but the thought of pissing around with membership schemes leaves me cold so I probably won't bother.
Another issue that wasn't tackled by the board is how to fill the SW and SE corners of the ground that are rarely used.
I wouldn't sit there but some people would if the price was reduced, needs a novel solution to bolster the gate and revenue coming in.
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The SW corner is pretty full of season ticket holders. The SW is restricted view, or unsuitable because away fans have to access the east through it.
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Fargo99 said:
Watched Saturdays game on IPTV. My Mrs came in and asked why is no one there?
Nuff said.
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Whoever I watch or read about, I can see empty seats. Football and Rugby League. You would think they want to make it look as full as possible.
 
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