I'd imagine the board will split on seeing racial abuse and those who never see it in any scenario and then complain about it being political correctness gone mad.Here is what he posted to twitter
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Water Buffalo could have potentially just have been a way to mock his size with no racial connotation intended. I imagine Fleetwood will have to perform an investigation/inquiry
I suppose if you're black then you're more attuned to insults that could be construed as racial abuse.If it hadn't been explained to me I certainly wouldn't have associated the term "Water Buffalo" with the colour of anyones skin.
Not condoning it but there's lots of "sledging" in football.
I suppose if you're black then you're more attuned to insults that could be construed as racial abuse.
Yes, I agree with that. A stupid remark. Possibly one spouted on the point of defeat but it doesn't mean it's defendable.I'd imagine the board will split on seeing racial abuse and those who never see it in any scenario and then complain about it being political correctness gone mad.
Personally, I think in the current climate, it was very ill judged even if not racially founded and will lead to consequences.
Barton is certainly not ignorant and it would not come from him. No, it's been a fan, possibly someone high up but not a professional.Was aware that Mr Barton had a long exchange with him...I wonder?
He quotes ' a representative of the opposition'. He also states it happened several times during the match. That to me suggests Manager or coaching staff.Barton is certainly not ignorant and it would not come from him. No, it's been a fan, possibly someone high up but not a professional.
Which scarecrow did it then?He quotes ' a representative of the opposition'. He also states it happened several times during the match. That to me suggests Manager or coaching staff.
Fair do's, content to be corrected.He quotes ' a representative of the opposition'. He also states it happened several times during the match. That to me suggests Manager or coaching staff.
He quotes ' a representative of the opposition'. He also states it happened several times during the match. That to me suggests Manager or coaching staff.
That would be fine except for it having been used previously as a racial slur.Water Buffalo is an odd choice of phrase leading me to think it was deliberately chosen as potentially being non-offensive. Therefore I think there was intent not to be openly offensive in a current climate way.
Maybe the player just wanted exposure in the media, perhaps?
No obvious reasons either way.
If Akinfenwa believes it to be a racist remark then it is a racist remark, whether or not that was what was implied by the person who said it.
Didn't know that. I thought it was a size reference alongside a shorter version of a bull in a china shop.That would be fine except for it having been used previously as a racial slur.
I once played against a team from Preston. I was marking a tall skinny black guy. At half time our manager told me to ‘get tight to Chicken George’. He told the guy marking the tall skinny white guy on the other wing to ‘stay close to him, don’t let him take the ball past you’.That’s just post modernist nonsense, if I call him a green tree and he thinks that’s racist I’ve automatically made a racist comment and by implication I’m racist.
At least most of this thread is debating weather or not the comment was racially aggravated, but this is just ridiculous.
I once played against a team from Preston. I was marking a tall skinny black guy. At half time our manager told me to ‘get tight to Chicken George’. He told the guy marking the tall skinny white guy on the other wing to ‘stay close to him, don’t let him take the ball past you’.
Nothing inherently racist in what he said to me, but certainly implied in the words he used.
This is the whole arguement that white people are telling black people what is racist and what isn’t.
So your 'manager' called the black player...."Chicken George".....and you didn't see anything inherently racist in calling him after a slave character from Roots (The story of slavery and brutality by American settlers)......but he said of the white player..."stay close to him, don’t let him take the ball past you"I once played against a team from Preston. I was marking a tall skinny black guy. At half time our manager told me to ‘get tight to Chicken George’. He told the guy marking the tall skinny white guy on the other wing to ‘stay close to him, don’t let him take the ball past you’.
Nothing inherently racist in what he said to me, but certainly implied in the words he used.
This is the whole arguement that white people are telling black people what is racist and what isn’t.
Has the other site closed now? What a shameQuick message to the moderator that deleted my post
go and fuck a water buffalo you fuckin **
Chicken George was a character in Roots of course.I once played against a team from Preston. I was marking a tall skinny black guy. At half time our manager told me to ‘get tight to Chicken George’. He told the guy marking the tall skinny white guy on the other wing to ‘stay close to him, don’t let him take the ball past you’.
Nothing inherently racist in what he said to me, but certainly implied that the guy was ‘different’ in the words he used.
This is the whole arguement that white people are telling black people what is racist and what isn’t.
Yeah I don’t disagree with those comments about other things said on the pitch. I’m sure I’ve said similar on the pitch (hopefully in youthful ignorance) in the heat of a game and gone home not giving any thought to how the person on the receiving end felt about it.I accept what you’ve said there and do agree it has some merit, but on the football pitch I’ve also heard “take the Ginger Cnut out” “get that lanky streak of piss” “Pass to the mick” All comments based on a persons outwards appearance.
But on the whole thats got nothing to do with your suggestion that as soon as a person deems something to be the case, in this situation a Racial slur, they have thought it therefore it is. No context or rational though or consideration behind the conclusion. It’s very dangerous.
There has to be a basis behind the thinking, If not it Is just a non entity.
Was he. I didn’t know that.Chicken George was a character in Roots of course.
I’ve never seen Roots, I was only 17 at the time of this incident.So your 'manager' called the black player...."Chicken George".....and you didn't see anything inherently racist in calling him after a slave character from Roots (The story of slavery and brutality by American settlers)......but he said of the white player..."stay close to him, don’t let him take the ball past you"
Am I mis-reading your post.....You seriously think "white people are telling black people what is racist and what isn’t"
No, that would be sexist against women who can’t , oh never mind.Easiest thing to do these days is just use a standard insult for all situations, wanker perhap
Yeah I don’t disagree with those comments about other things said on the pitch. I’m sure I’ve said similar on the pitch (hopefully in youthful ignorance) in the heat of a game and gone home not giving any thought to how the person on the receiving end felt about it.
I think I’m trying to say that just because the person saying something doesn’t think it is offensive doesn’t mean that it isn’t. Akinfenwa must have been called this, or similar, before to call it out as racist.
The very use of water buffalo is a bit odd, don't you think? Why that particular analogy if there is no racist intent?Some white people clearly have problems with a move towards racial equality. They can usually be identified on this board by comments such as ‘can we not say this then, can we not say that then’, including the use of the word that confuses them.
The very fact that even these people are now having to think about the rights and wrongs of what they are saying is, I think, a small victory for racial equality.
Did you know that a recent study showed that commentators are more likely to call black players a green tree than white playersThat’s just post modernist nonsense, if I call him a green tree and he thinks that’s racist I’ve automatically made a racist comment and by implication I’m racist.
At least most of this thread is debating weather or not the comment was racially aggravated, but this is just ridiculous.