and. perhaps, it would be better if the world looked at the best way of mitigating the toll of the disease, and of distributing the vaccines, as a matter of co-operation rather than of nations looking to be at the forefront of anything. Unfortunately, the World doesn't seem to do this very well.
Perhaps a good dose of covid might help ,or is it not real.
I'd rather people just followed the guidance than them getting the virus. Blaming the youth all the time really isnt helpful.
GD's Political Animal: Did the lockdown work in Wuhan?We are talking about the effectiveness of lockdowns and in particular the evidence that the lockdown in Wuhan had worked in the first instance. I sited a peer reviewed paper from the Lancet a highly respected UK based medical journal that talked about the effectiveness of the lockdown. Here is some more evidence that the lockdown was effective, this time from the BBC, a respected UK based news outlet;
Wuhan coronavirus: From silent streets to packed pools
Images of crowds at a waterpark festival show how far the city has moved on from its January lockdown.www.bbc.co.uk
What evidence do you have that the lockdown in Wuhan didn't initially work?
The two sources of evidence that I have sited for my post are not the Chinese government, nor are they connected to the Chinese government as you seem to imply.
I'm saying I dont think they have been a bigger spreader of the illness than relatives meeting in houses, people going to pubs and restaurants or colleagues working together indoors.
Fair play, but he did say the new guidance would be issued, once per day was a huge issue last time as regarded as unreasonable by most
Maybe I'm reading the guidance wrong but it doesn't seem an awful lot different to tier 4 apart from the schools being shut.
The whole thing regarding outdoor exercise is totally unreasonable, especially given the extended length of time we have been under lockdown or partial lockdown conditions.
It's quite different
I agree with the frequency, do it as many times as you like, the travelling to exercise is something we will probably disagree on. We are lucky, Scotland is unlimited exercise and I have many great walks out in the countryside seeing little or no humans, from the front door. The dog is looking worried again!!
In what ways? Maybe I am only looking at aspects that concern me mind.It's quite different
Take a look at the comparative guidance....It's available on the internet
It's something that I have to admit will play havoc with my mental health... There's only so many times you can walk the same streets, the same routes in a flat area like mine, before you start to feel like you're on a hamster wheel. I pounded the streets for 3-4 hours a day locally during the last full lockdown, I'm not sure I can cope with that again.
It doesn’t put a time limit on exercise, though it says “once per day”... What was formerly guidance now appears to be a requirement....
Right, so presumably I can walk to Blackpool and back as long as I do it all in one go.
It's an alternative view is it not. You asked me to provide something I did. And noting the article used a lot of sources for info. If you are happy that everything has dealt with the whole situation in an above board manner then that's up to you. I most certainly don't.
Where was the 'peer reviewed research'?
That would probably depend where you live and what the prescribed definition of 'Local' is.
Fleetwood mate, so I'd hope that would be classed as local.
I should think you'll be alright, unless you come across a particularly awkward copper.
nooooo!
Hello hello hello, I'm an awkward copper...... what are you doing in Blackpool Codhead? You're nicked son!
I'd have my Blackpool hat on
GOV.UK says stick to your own village, town, area of city etc. Walking to Blackpool would presumably break that.
He'll search you and you're bound to have a packet of fisherman's Friends in there.
Oh I thought it said local area
Well me Mum works there....
I would get you away from Fleetwood.
See....... you won't be able to help yourself!
Lovely walk on the new prom mate.I would get you away from Fleetwood.
Same here, the beach looked like Crufts yesterday!
Always the same on a decent day, understandably under the current circumstances. So if I can jump in the car and drive for half an hour to find somewhere less crowded and just have a change from the same old, what's the harm?
Ask Bojo and SAGE. Who the hell knows pal? Breakdown in your car perhaps? Accident in a different area. Just hypotheticals.
Can’t argue with that. Bubbled in the car, a walk in the fresh air seeing different scenery, just as long as you don’t come into contact with anyone I suppose.
Doubt it until the weather warms up and normally Jan / Feb are not good months. l've been out on the bike today along the prom and there were very few cyclists.
Local area just seems vague to me, as for breakdowns and accidents that could happen going to the supermarket in Blackpool, I'm not going to do a Dominic Cummings style journey so I should be ok.
I agree. Vague on purpose if you ask me. Do what you think is right pal.
If necessary. I'd say walking along the Prom all the way from Fleetwood isn't necessary.
Nor is me going for a 10 minute jog. How far do you take it? Once again the guidance is so vague its unbelievable.
I shouldn't think there is any limitation on the distance you walk, so long as you only walk once per day. In terms of travel to exercise, the reference really means jumping in your car or getting on Public Transport to access an open space, rather than walking from your home, which has always been acceptable.
Agree with that. So how does that square with those saying they're driving to Pendle, Trough of Bowland, Lakes etc?
Common sense needs to be applied, that’s my interpretation.
It's a bit of a grey area really and the actual Law hasn't yet been put in place anyway only guidance. The Government has adopted a policy of overstating the exercise of the powers in the published guidance so far, as opposed to actually passing laws to match. So to that extent, the requirement to stay local is not a legal requirement or enforcable in law.