Keep VAR or end VAR?

VAR...

  • Keep it

    Votes: 11 15.1%

  • Get rid

    Votes: 62 84.9%
  • Total voters
    73
End it, end of conversation. It's killing the spontaneity of football which for me is the most important thing of all.

How can we be comfortable with something that stops you celebrating wildly when your team scores? Being awarded a goal (or having one taken away) two minutes later takes away everything for me, that's why we need to get rid of it.
 
Raging_Bull said:
End it, end of conversation. It's killing the spontaneity of football which for me is the most important thing of all.

How can we be comfortable with something that stops you celebrating wildly when your team scores? Being awarded a goal two minutes later takes away everything for me, that's why we need to get rid of it.
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Oh, I agree 100%

Just intrigued as to overall opinion. I can't see any argument for it, aside from maybe it makes corruption a bit harder but I think that's more an argument for other counties with a more clear history of match fixing/bent refs.
 
td53 said:
Oh, I agree 100%

Just intrigued as to overall opinion. I can't see any argument for it, aside from maybe it makes corruption a bit harder but I think that's more an argument for other counties with a more clear history of match fixing/bent refs.
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Even then, the guy in the booth could be on a bung. That's the only explanation for some of the recent calls out from Stockley Park.
 
It works for other sports like cricket, tennis, and RU/RL.
The principle of VAR is fine, it's just in football where its application is so poor.
In football, cheating and glaring errors were previously allowed to stand (Thierry Henri handball against Ireland or Maradona handball against England), so I think some sort of review system is required. Maybe 3 reviews per team like cricket? Then we might have got a point at Donny for 2 missed handballs (ref incompetence?)
We would also have more spontaneity which someone has already mentioned.
 
Maybe having dabbled with VAR and found it's decisions still debatable , maybe football will accept the referee's decisions for what they are. No one is infallible but as long as they are honest decisions then I don't know why football can't accept the ref's decision in the same spirit Rugby does. I'd keep VAR for issues like 'did the ball cross the line' and let the game crack on as it was.
 
I think Dave raises a good point about maybe letting teams have reviews as I am as frustrated as anyone about VAR especially the ridiculous offsides, they need to go and the old rule of daylight be adopted, however on the same token again as Dave points out blatant cheating shouldn’t be gotten away with if the referees miss it.
 
VAR isn't the problem as such. The people who use it are.

I'm very 50/50. If it can't be improved, get rid. Improve it and keep it
 
Dave62 said:
It works for other sports like cricket, tennis, and RU/RL.
The principle of VAR is fine, it's just in football where its application is so poor.
In football, cheating and glaring errors were previously allowed to stand (Thierry Henri handball against Ireland or Maradona handball against England), so I think some sort of review system is required. Maybe 3 reviews per team like cricket? Then we might have got a point at Donny for 2 missed handballs (ref incompetence?)
We would also have more spontaneity which someone has already mentioned.
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I must admit, a review system would probably be better. I'd make it one review that rolls over if correct.

Still would 100% get rid of it, but a review would be an improvement I think.

It's the arbitrary 'god in the sky' element I hate and at least being triggered by the opposing team, you'd know where it came from...

"They are checking VAR?"

Who are? Who are these unseen "they?"
 
It has created even more controversy than before its introduction and has slowed down the game. Scrap it apart from goal line technology
 
Keep and tinker.

Offside needs sorting, obvs.

Give 30s (or less) for VAR decision. If not conclusive by then, on field decision stays.

Refs need to start making decisions and not relying on VAR reviews.
 
bfcpete said:
It has created even more controversy than before its introduction and has slowed down the game. Scrap it apart from goal line technology
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Yep. Maybe an argument for “ is it over the line” decisions, but that’s it.
 
Ruining the game,too much stopping and reviews,someone 1mm offside it’s ridiculous,reduces the enjoyment of the spectacle that is football .
 
VAR itself is a good idea. Unfortunately, as with all technology based system, it is only as good as the people operating it and currently they don’t appear good enough. Referees helping referees.

One thing I would defo change about it is only showing replays in real time. Any tackle can look pretty bad in super slo-mo.
 
Keep it. Ir ain't VAR that's the problem it's the rules and the officials interpetation. Fulham last night for example.The rule meant it had to be disallowed but it was joke as there clearly was no intent.
 
On how it’s ruining the continuity I voted to get rid. But I’ll agree it’s how it’s being used. What is wrong with these morons who govern the game, just how long does it take to change things that are so glaringly wrong.
 
PR3BFC said:
I think Dave raises a good point about maybe letting teams have reviews as I am as frustrated as anyone about VAR especially the ridiculous offsides, they need to go and the old rule of daylight be adopted, however on the same token again as Dave points out blatant cheating shouldn’t be gotten away with if the referees miss it.
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Blatant cheating is gotten away with anyway, under the ref, linos nose. Diving, kicking the ballaway, walking away with the ball and dropping it 40 yards away, taking throw ins 20 yards farther forward. These may be little things but they are all against the rules and more importantly the spirit of the game. Var is rubbish and needs ditching, but reffs and linos have a lot to answer for also.
 
Was football better before the introduction of VAR? Without a doubt yes in my eyes. That’s the only question that needs asking.

Can’t see them scrapping it now unfortunately, but it has killed part of the magic and spontaneity of the sport as someone said above.
 
It's not up for debate really because it's staying. I would have just kept it for goal line technology but now it's started there is no going back. It was meant to stop arguments and controversy but has created more. A lot of the trouble is it's being used wrongly and it's in its infancy so there is lots to iron out. At the end of the day managers will always hide behind decisions to save their job whether VAR is there or not.
 
Just seems weird that we accept it to me. Theres a pretty overwhelming majority against (ok, this is a small sample) and if fans don't want it, why is it there?

I accept fans don't govern the game and other factors matter, like player well being and so on (say, concussion subs as an example of something where fan opinion is irrelevant) but in this instance I find it weird as I can't think of a reason to justify it if *most fans* don't want it.
 
I don't watch the Prem often so it doesn't bother me that much as it doesn't have any influence on my life at the minute, but as a concept I'll echo what others have said - the human error within football is part of the spectacle, it hurts when you're on the receiving end of it but ultimately I'd rather it happen to keep the spontaneity and pacing of it all than have the game grind to a halt to ensure a bloke behind a computer tells us the decision was correct (or not correct).

It's quite telling of the disdain towards it that the majority on here are against it when Blackpool would have most likely stayed up in the Prem if it wasn't for bad refereeing decisions.

I wonder if it will trickle down to the EFL? Surely the Championship will get it at some point.
 
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I was all for it just before it was rolled out, I didn’t see how it couldn’t improve the game.

But the implementation of VAR seems to have been directionless and really unimaginative, it’s been so poor up to now, it seems intentional. But this is football governance we’re talking about and they generally struggle to organise a piss up in the proverbial. So maybe not.

Technology like this has been rolled out in virtually every other sport, when tailored to their specifics, it becomes a major boon in a short space of time.

I can’t see the footballing gods ever really wanting to make it efficient or effective as there probably isn’t an incentive as entities like the World Cup, Champions League and Premier League will continue to make billions hand over fist.

Just get rid of it.
 
In other countries with VAR is it just as bad? I thought it worked ok in the World Cup in Russia. Does anyone have a view on somewhere else's experience of it?
 
I'm for keeping it for three reasons...

1. It takes away the big club bias - think about how many close (and some obvious) decisions always generally went the way of the big club, especially at home. In this respect VAR has been a great 'leveller'. Even if it doesn't work perfectly, it is at least the same for all teams.
2. I think VAR has dramatically reduced cheatin and it eliminates absolute howlers from the officials - think about Lampard's non goal in the SA World Cup that was about a foot over the line
3. And last but by no means least - we would still be in the Premier League if VAR had been used in 2010

Clearly it needs to be improved. I think the easiest one, as many have said, is to introduce a bigger margin of error on offsides to say 20cm instead of 1mm (which is ridiculous). Also, everybody moaned about DRS in cricket at first but now it has added a new dimension to the game and I suspect very few would now want to get rid of it. Nobody likes change but I would say with a bit of tweaking VAR is a positive development for the game.
 
Engkish top flight refs have now been told to be less strict with regards to handball. Fulhams goal should never have been disallowed. Ain't VAR technology that's the problem it's the officials interpreting it.
 
It's obviously not the fault of the technology. It takes a person to build it, decide how to operate it and apply it same as all tech.

I must admit, I'm very much against it and would get rid in a heartbeat but...

I can see a limited use base on referrals actually being quite good for the spectacle, especially as sometimes the crowd see what managers or captains don't.

We've got to stop the automatic referrals. That's the worst bit. I don't fundamentally oppose the use of technology full stop, I oppose the use of it diminishing the spectacle and joy of a goal.

I'd limit it to ONE review (rolling with success) and only for clear and obvious - i.e. an equivalent of umpires call, so a close offside is 'level' or 'linos call'

You'd have 20 seconds after a goal or red card to appeal. No more.

Make it so you'd have to be certain there'd been a howler before using it,as opposed to a brush off a fingernail that doesn't divert the ball or 2mm offside call.

At least that way it would be part of the tactics and decisions within the game, as opposed to a stupid sideshow that happens for no rhyme or reason.

All decisions made within 60 seconds.

Maybe even less appeals, maybe 1 per season (use it wrongly, you lose it) or something...

That would limit the use to absolute howlers...
 
20togo said:
Engkish top flight refs have now been told to be less strict with regards to handball. Fulhams goal should never have been disallowed. Ain't VAR technology that's the problem it's the officials interpreting it.
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And next season with the rule change Fulhams goal stands.
They nead to clear the whole mess up by simplifying the rules and VAR would be OK.
 
Keep it, train the doughnut's how to use it properly.................................AND STOP CHANGING THE BLOODY RULES!
 
Football's big appeal is how it mirrors real life. Shit happens. You win some, you lose some.

VAR is robotic. It isn't real life.

Imagine walking across the road and a car almost clipped you. You don't get the driver to turn round, come back and drive down the road again so you can perfect your crossing of the street. You move on and hope it doesn't happen again.

Football needs to go back to being like real life.
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
I'm for keeping it for three reasons...

1. It takes away the big club bias - think about how many close (and some obvious) decisions always generally went the way of the big club, especially at home. In this respect VAR has been a great 'leveller'. Even if it doesn't work perfectly, it is at least the same for all teams.
2. I think VAR has dramatically reduced cheatin and it eliminates absolute howlers from the officials - think about Lampard's non goal in the SA World Cup that was about a foot over the line
3. And last but by no means least - we would still be in the Premier League if VAR had been used in 2010

Clearly it needs to be improved. I think the easiest one, as many have said, is to introduce a bigger margin of error on offsides to say 20cm instead of 1mm (which is ridiculous). Also, everybody moaned about DRS in cricket at first but now it has added a new dimension to the game and I suspect very few would now want to get rid of it. Nobody likes change but I would say with a bit of tweaking VAR is a positive development for the game.
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VAR wouldn't have any effect on the Lampard goal. Different system for goal line technology that actually works.
 
Dave62 said:
It works for other sports like cricket, tennis, and RU/RL.
The principle of VAR is fine, it's just in football where its application is so poor.
In football, cheating and glaring errors were previously allowed to stand (Thierry Henri handball against Ireland or Maradona handball against England), so I think some sort of review system is required. Maybe 3 reviews per team like cricket? Then we might have got a point at Donny for 2 missed handballs (ref incompetence?)
We would also have more spontaneity which someone has already mentioned.
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This is my view precisely.
 
Dave62 said:
It works for other sports like cricket, tennis, and RU/RL.
The principle of VAR is fine, it's just in football where its application is so poor.
In football, cheating and glaring errors were previously allowed to stand (Thierry Henri handball against Ireland or Maradona handball against England), so I think some sort of review system is required. Maybe 3 reviews per team like cricket? Then we might have got a point at Donny for 2 missed handballs (ref incompetence?)
We would also have more spontaneity which someone has already mentioned.
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Makes me think these bad decisions are an attempt just to undermine a system that has proven worth elsewhere.
 
td53 said:
It's obviously not the fault of the technology. It takes a person to build it, decide how to operate it and apply it same as all tech.

I must admit, I'm very much against it and would get rid in a heartbeat but...

I can see a limited use base on referrals actually being quite good for the spectacle, especially as sometimes the crowd see what managers or captains don't.

We've got to stop the automatic referrals. That's the worst bit. I don't fundamentally oppose the use of technology full stop, I oppose the use of it diminishing the spectacle and joy of a goal.

I'd limit it to ONE review (rolling with success) and only for clear and obvious - i.e. an equivalent of umpires call, so a close offside is 'level' or 'linos call'

You'd have 20 seconds after a goal or red card to appeal. No more.

Make it so you'd have to be certain there'd been a howler before using it,as opposed to a brush off a fingernail that doesn't divert the ball or 2mm offside call.

At least that way it would be part of the tactics and decisions within the game, as opposed to a stupid sideshow that happens for no rhyme or reason.

All decisions made within 60 seconds.

Maybe even less appeals, maybe 1 per season (use it wrongly, you lose it) or something...

That would limit the use to absolute howlers...
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have to disagree with a lot of that. You're trying to conflate two points.. It's not the players that are referring decisions to VAR it's the match referee himself. If it's not the match referee, it's the VAR ref himself bringing an incident to the referees attention. I really don't see why the onus should be passed from a referee to a player regarding a mistake being made.by an official. It isn't tennis or cricket where there is a natural break between points/ball. It has to be for the two refs to sort out. And why put pressure on a ref to get a decision right within sixty seconds? The important thing is they get it right. Sure, i agree some decisions are taking too long but i put that down to the over use of slomo.
 
The difference between cricket and football is that a) cricket is less frenziedly dissected (outside of India) but more importantly b) each 'play' is discrete and there are a finite number of variables and generally, the outcome is related to a small number of players.

Football is pure chaos and each play is interlinked and can involve 20+ bodies Even the most chaotic event in cricket only lasts a few moments, until the ball is dead again and play is reset. You never have a situation where the whole of two sides try to catch the ball for example, but you might feasably get every player on both sides going for the ball in a last minute corner where the keeper is up.

I don't know enough about how it applies to rugby, I've only ever seen it applied to adjudge whether a try is grounded.

I'm not sure 'it works ok in cricket' is an argument for it working in football though.
 
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