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Sounds like they are going for one of these "proper" lockdowns I keep hearing about. Let's see whether they've tamed the beast in three weeks' time. 80+ yr old fella dies and straight into lockdown...
Fuck knows what their exit strategy is. I whine like a bitch about our situation but would be topping myself if I lived over there. Craziness.They've gone completely insane over there.... Do they plan to do this forever?
Oh I dunno Tommy, you always sound quite measured to me.I whine like a bitch about our situation
They've gone completely insane over there.... Do they plan to do this forever?
I see you have to get your EU jibe inI think they prove an important point, there is one way and one way only out of a pandemic and that is herd immunity.
Australia got lucky in that thanks to geography the virus never got fully established, but having screwed up their vaccine programme (thanks in part to the EU's scaremongering over AZ) they have no way of acquiring HI and thus no way out of the pandemic, so in principle they are stuck doing this forever.
I think the only exit plan they now have is to hope that the UK can supply sufficient vaccine doses to boost their programme and get it completed early next year.
You really dislike the Uk don’t youOut of control. It's rocketed to 130 as a 7 day average.
Remind me what our daily rate is at the moment as we abandon all pretence of control.
Based on what? Me wanting competent government? Me wanting the pandemic to be controlled better?You really dislike the Uk don’t you
Is that the Johnson variant I keep reading about?Australia was one of those countries which was lauded for tight control of its borders (we should have been much stronger on our own borders and policy on foreign holidays). The rampant Indian variant has still had got in there. I agree the progress on their vaccination strategy seems poor and they don't have a clear exit strategy
33000 cases in total and less than a thousand deaths. Not my definition of out of control either.Based on what? Me wanting competent government? Me wanting the pandemic to be controlled better?
You really dislike statistics don't you. They get in the way of your prejudices.
I see you have to get your EU jibe in
It was a thread about Australia wasn't it? Yet some see fit to barge in and try and change the subject with their churlish, spiteful anti UK rhetoric. Pathetic.33000 cases in total and less than a thousand deaths. Not my definition of out of control either.
Be prepared to hear more and more "patriotic" rhetoric about constructive criticism equalling hatred of country. Some of them won't be happy until we become a one party state.
They are hiding from dealing with the virus. The rest of the world have had a go at tackling it and are starting to see light at the end of the tunnel. It's very naive of them to think they can hide permanently.
Bang on there 20'sThe UK hasn't done great with dealing with the virus but there's no doubt that there's a good few on here love sticking the knife in and twisting it. Seem to get some sort of sick pleasure from it. Said it from an early stage of the virus, for some it's politics first.
How does having the highest death rate in Europe look like a success
When I last looked I think it was Hungary not Bulgaria. I think the U.K. was about 14th not 21st.WTF has Bulgaria (highest death rate in Europe) got to do with anything?
BTW, I can name at least 20 countries in Europe with a higher death rate than the UK.
Blimey.
Unless some other disease or 'thing' has simultaneously arisen (alongside Covid) that produces a consistent and predictable effect on the human body and nobody on earth has noticed it, then I think you can be pretty certain that the deaths are as a result of Covid.I’m still not sure about the deaths. Are the deaths as a result of COVID ? Or someone just happened to have had a positive COVID test within the last 28days and then died of something. All a bit misleading and edit to add is the rest of the world counting the deaths on the same basis ?
Are you missing my point ? I could have a COVID positive test result two weeks ago and die tomorrow of something unrelated. As a result of the positive COVID test I am now a COVID statistic.Unless some other disease or 'thing' has simultaneously arisen (alongside Covid) that produces a consistent and predictable effect on the human body and nobody on earth has noticed it, then I think you can be pretty certain that the deaths are as a result of Covid.
120 odd thousands excess deaths gives us an idea that the figures are reasonably accurate.I’m still not sure about the deaths. Are the deaths as a result of COVID ? Or someone just happened to have had a positive COVID test within the last 28days and then died of something. All a bit misleading and edit to add is the rest of the world counting the deaths on the same basis ?
I’m still not sure about the deaths. Are the deaths as a result of COVID ? Or someone just happened to have had a positive COVID test within the last 28days and then died of something. All a bit misleading and edit to add is the rest of the world counting the deaths on the same basis ?
Yes that's right you could... And of course, on an individual basis, that is going to be very important, but from a statistical perspective it's not particularly significant at all. The key thing is that the basis for measurement is statistically valid and consistent. Obviously in the case of the 28 day circumstance, the limited number of deaths that might be attributable to other causes are balanced with the genuine covid deaths that occur after the 28 day deadline.Are you missing my point ? I could have a COVID positive test result two weeks ago and die tomorrow of something unrelated. As a result of the positive COVID test I am now a COVID statistic.
Let's hope you make it by the time they hold the Olympic Games !My partner lives in Brisbane and from what she tells me the government have basically buried their heads in the sand when it comes to vaccinations
I'm waiting to emigrate (and have been for a long time) and I've written this year off and will probably be lucky to get there by this time next year
We don'tHow does having the highest death rate in Europe look like a success
I think their policy is to save lives which in turn will save their economy. If they don’t have the skill or industry to make vaccines then they are relying on Europe or the USA or India to send them. Which so far has not really happened, as all have been using most of their production for themselves. In that case, their only sensible policy is to clamp down on every infection to limit it’s spread until the vaccine supply comes in. To that end they are succeeding quite well. But I am surprised if they have not imported vaccine production technology/know how from us.
Edit: Aah, they have started their production.
Australia’s vaccine agreements
The Australian Government has invested over $8 billion in the national COVID-19 vaccine rollout. Learn more about our vaccine agreements.www.health.gov.au
But, apparently, CSL (Aus vax manuf) is limited in output because they also have to keep up supply of essential antivenoms (Aus having some of the most poisonous creatures around).
Australian government’s Covid vaccine rollout forecasts don’t add up
Government forecasts are more than double the amount of doses CSL is able to produce per week when operating at maximum capacitywww.theguardian.com
You could also blame Trump’s scaremongering about vaccination which is the story in the US.They're also having problems getting people to take it thanks to the EU's scaremongering back in Feb.
You could also blame Trump’s scaremongering about vaccination which is the story in the US.
Republicans aka anti vaxxers being blamed for the rise in cases over there.
I suspect the average Australian tends to follow the US rather than hanging on every word of VDL.
That’s sort of the point.AZ isn't licensed in the US.