Wizaard
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Can't beat a parsnip salad with a side of runner beans.Think of the contribution to the reduction in CO2 by getting back to home grown, seasonal goods.
Massive upside to reducing the amount of 'exotic' food imports.
Can't beat a parsnip salad with a side of runner beans.Think of the contribution to the reduction in CO2 by getting back to home grown, seasonal goods.
Massive upside to reducing the amount of 'exotic' food imports.
Not sure we can harvest then at the same time; I'm not a gardener.Can't beat a parsnip salad with a side of runner beans.
No Brits would pick them even if they were able to grow in this climate.Think of the contribution to the reduction in CO2 by getting back to home grown, seasonal goods.
Massive upside to reducing the amount of 'exotic' food imports.
What do you have against British people; such sweeping insults.No Brits would pick them even if they were able to grow in this climate.
Seen interviews with growers in Lincolnshire and Essex saying they won't be sowing as many crops this year as last year they didn't have enough labour to pick them so wasted hundreds of thousands of pounds in rotting food. They tried to get Brits to pick and couldn't get the numbers. Some who turned up lasted only a few weeks.What do you have against British people; such sweeping insults.
We've a history of allotment holders producing a cash crop, don't worry about people growing and picking local produce.
Surprised a dullard like you has got a partner if all you can talk about is what you say fecking Tesco hasn’t got in stock. Other more well stocked supermarkets are available.My girlfriend tried to buy something from our local Tesco's last night and was told Brexit was a major problem for them affecting their supply chains. Tesco have started putting expected delivery dates next to item descriptions in this store as the supply is unreliable. Peppers were mentioned as an example of food that they cannot get atm which was freely available before.
Not sure we can harvest them full stop. There a shortage of harvesting staff due to Brexit.Not sure we can harvest then at the same time; I'm not a gardener.
Pay the appropriate rate and people will work.Seen interviews with growers in Lincolnshire and Essex saying they won't be sowing as many crops this year as last year they didn't have enough labour to pick them so wasted hundreds of thousands of pounds in rotting food. They tried to get Brits to pick and couldn't get the numbers. Some who turned up lasted only a few weeks.
It's a very interesting article as it highlights how unintended side effects of Brexit come into play that voters clearly never could anticipate.Not according to British farmers
Brexit means fewer British products in supermarkets, farmers tell MPs
Exclusive: Kent farming giant reports 8% fall in harvest due to lack of seasonal pickers – saying it’s easier to import fruitwww.independent.co.uk
If only it were that simple. Would you then pay £5 for some British apples when some from Egypt (should they managed to get past the red tape) were sat next to them on the shelf at £1.75Pay the appropriate rate and people will work.
So you support exploitation? Vietnamese and Bangladeshi textile workers earning 35p/day etc?It's a very interesting article as it highlights how unintended side effects of Brexit come into play that voters clearly never could anticipate.
If only it were that simple. Would you then pay £5 for some British apples when some from Egypt (should they managed to get past the red tape) were sat next to them on the shelf at £1.75
I hope not.Seems as if a U.K./EU deal on Northern Ireland may be imminent.
If it is will the Brexiters/DUP go into a “Brexit Betrayal” meltdown? Or will they try to spin it as a collapse and capitulation by the EU?
And will Johnson try to cause mischief again, undermining Sunak in the same way as he did May? Paving the way for his “Great Comeback”?
Could be an exciting few days.
Bit of a wild swing off tangent, that's a very different problem to Brexit. Not one for cheap fashion personally.So you support exploitation? Vietnamese and Bangladeshi textile workers earning 35p/day etc?
should of put "Massive upside to reducing the amount of 'exotic' food imports." on the side of a bus thenThink of the contribution to the reduction in CO2 by getting back to home grown, seasonal goods.
Massive upside to reducing the amount of 'exotic' food imports.
He won't do the research as the answer doesn't fit in with his one track agenda. Bell end indeed.Down to the weather you bell end you really need to do some research.
Major tomato shortages as Morocco faces ‘perfect storm’
Flooding, cold temperatures and cancelled ferries have caused significant supply problems in Moroccan tomatoes, according to importerswww.fruitnet.com
"Morocco’s largest trading partner is the EU. Because Morocco’s trade with Europe has been so significant, an important development of the 1990s was negotiating a formal association with the EU, including an agreement to create, over time, a Euro-Mediterranean free trade zone."He won't do the research as the answer doesn't fit in with his one track agenda. Bell end indeed.
A reality in your gloomy one track mind."Morocco’s largest trading partner is the EU. Because Morocco’s trade with Europe has been so significant, an important development of the 1990s was negotiating a formal association with the EU, including an agreement to create, over time, a Euro-Mediterranean free trade zone."
Now that Britain is no longer a part of the EU and carries so little weight on its own, we come further down the pecking order when crop yields are lower in such countries. Another fantastic juicy Brexit bonus which is now a reality on shelves near you.
Play the ball not the man. His point seems realityA reality in your gloomy one track mind.
It depends which report you read. It's difficult not to play the man in his case, such is his overwhelming negativity and one track agenda. So thanks for the advice, but as long as he continues that, I'll keep playing the man.9
Play the ball not the man. His point seems reality
He's actually correct on this one. If you look at facts the whole thing is a disaster with zero benefits. I've no doubt you'll respond by saying it wasn't purely about trade but when it makes people poorer it will turn the poorest who tipped the vote.It depends which report you read. It's difficult not to play the man in his case, such is his overwhelming negativity and one track agenda. So thanks for the advice, but as long as he continues that, I'll keep playing the man.
I agree. It looks as if Sunak and Starmer have agreed to unite if necessary to get any deal through Parliament. Even if Johnson and the ERG object.I hope not.
It's so unnecessary; just get on with governing.
Yet Tories are saying we can't afford wage rises. Fiscal correction my arse. Race to the bottom.Pay the appropriate rate and people will work.
Sadly, we've had eastern Europeans living 10+ to a home, getting paid less than their time is worth, sending money back home, and artificially keeping wages (and inflation) low for 20 years - benefiting supermarket profits mostly.
A huge amount of the fiscal correction is taking place because the labour shortage is giving people a chance to negotiate what they are worth.
It would have been better to have inflation increases over the last 20 years, rather than 20 months; but that's not happened.
Meanwhile, I guarantee there will be far too much food produced and we won't run out.
Covid and the restrictions on business meant millions of people, particularly from Eastern Europe couldn't earn any more, so they went home.Achtung ! Achtung! German labour shortage of 1.74 million vacancies despite freedom of movement. So Remoaners how has that happened....?
I took a group from our youth club out to Baia Mare in Maramures back in 2016/7 on an exchange.Covid and the restrictions on business meant millions of people, particularly from Eastern Europe couldn't earn any more, so they went home.
Because they are hard working talented people they found jobs in a place where they feel at home, literally.
My sister in law was a teacher in Germany she returned to Romania when the school shut. Wages have improved significantly in teaching in Romania since she left. Life was hard for her here. She now lives in the house she has owned for years close to her parents. Her son is learning what life in Romania is like, he's never lived there before. Her quality of life improved when she first came to Germany, it has improved further on returning home.
Its called getting on in life and it's what capable driven people do.
Does that answer your question.?
I've made my reasons for voting leave clear on here and on numerous occasions. So I'm not about to go through all that again. And you're quite correct it wasn't all about trade and short term pain, which I've said all along.He's actually correct on this one. If you look at facts the whole thing is a disaster with zero benefits. I've no doubt you'll respond by saying it wasn't purely about trade but when it makes people poorer it will turn the poorest who tipped the vote.
At one time 17% of Romanians were living abroad, covid and a large increase in wages has resulted in many returning, it'd be interesting to see the figures now.I took a group from our youth club out to Baia Mare in Maramures back in 2016/7 on an exchange.
It was interesting hearing the concerns of local officials about the drain of talent and also driving through villages with massive houses being built and no-one living in them because they were earning their living abroad but preparing for their return.
Really interesting place.
What do you think "more complex supply chains" means if it is not Brexit?Did you actually read the article before you posted?
A few points from it below -
The shortages - which are affecting Ireland too - are largely the result of extreme weather in Spain and north Africa, where floods, snow and hail have affected harvests.
Unusually cold weather in southern Spain has affected the supply of some fresh produce, while in Morocco floods have affected yields and storms have led to ferries being delayed or cancelled.
'It's not Brexit'
Anecdotal evidence suggests the UK has been bearing the brunt of the shortages, but problems have also been reported in Ireland.
Tesco Ireland said its stock levels were temporarily affected, while the locally-owned chain SuperValu has also reported problems.
Industry sources suggested the UK may be suffering because of lower domestic production and more complex supply chains, as well as a price-sensitive market. But they said Brexit was unlikely to be a factor.
With respect you’ve no real idea why there’s the Labour shortage. Therefore your ‘maybe’ they’ve gone to the beaches is virtually irrelevant.Maybe 1.74 million Germans in their 50s and 60s have taken early retirement and moved to Portugal, Spain, France, Italy or Greece. Who could blame them, we used to be able to do the same, we can definitely blame the loss of that freedom on Brexit.
Of course if you are a millionaire Brexiteer like Andrew Neill or Jim Ratcliffe you can still do it but for most of us that opportunity has now gone.
The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain. I’m sure that phrase pre-dates Brexit, but some on here obviously believe Brexit has affected Spanish rainfall patterns.What part of ‘it’s not Brexit’ do you not understand?
Or rather don’t want to understand because it doesn’t fit your boring one track agenda
I've grafted for 40 years since I was the age of 14, for the last 15 years I've thought I might like to live somewhere near the Mediterranean and it was a possibility. Now it isn't. Not overly concerned about lorry drivers, nothing I can do about it. Not bothered about the sovereignty thing, not concerned about immigration, so brexit offered me nothing and took opportunities away.With respect you’ve no real idea why there’s the Labour shortage. Therefore your ‘maybe’ they’ve gone to the beaches is virtually irrelevant.
But let’s say they have gone to the beaches, are you saying you’d support workforce shortages of such as scale so people can instead go lie on a beach or sit around on a bar terrace? How is able-bodied 50 somethings leaving their home country to instead lounge around going to help this world?
You might not like Brexit but there’s a fair challenge here to those that blame Brexit alone for workforce shortages. Other European countries have such shortages. That’s not Brexit. But our shortages are? Strange eh?
This is a very strange phenomenon. Our lorry driver shortage was due to Brexit. But the world wide shortage of lorry drivers wasn’t. It’s geng spooky.
That’s fair enough.I've grafted for 40 years since I was the age of 14, for the last 15 years I've thought I might like to live somewhere near the Mediterranean and it was a possibility. Now it isn't. Not overly concerned about lorry drivers, nothing I can do about it. Not bothered about the sovereignty thing, not concerned about immigration, so brexit offered me nothing and took opportunities away.
I have absolutely no idea why the Germans have a labour shortage I was just responding to the post of a particularly narrow minded person who writes that they have.
It's that simple, I love the food, culture, and climate, billionaire brexiteers can still base themselves there but working class British citizens can't. I might have an insular view on this but my opinions and decisions reflect how things effect me and my family, seems like a good place to form your opinions. Certainly makes more sense to me than dancing to the tunes of Johnson, Farage, Rees Mogg and others.
You can still retire to Europe but it is a bit more complicated, in fact you can retire to most countries in the world.I've grafted for 40 years since I was the age of 14, for the last 15 years I've thought I might like to live somewhere near the Mediterranean and it was a possibility. Now it isn't. Not overly concerned about lorry drivers, nothing I can do about it. Not bothered about the sovereignty thing, not concerned about immigration, so brexit offered me nothing and took opportunities away.
I have absolutely no idea why the Germans have a labour shortage I was just responding to the post of a particularly narrow minded person who writes that they have.
It's that simple, I love the food, culture, and climate, billionaire brexiteers can still base themselves there but working class British citizens can't. I might have an insular view on this but my opinions and decisions reflect how things effect me and my family, seems like a good place to form your opinions. Certainly makes more sense to me than dancing to the tunes of Johnson, Farage, Rees Mogg and others.
There was talk that students wouldn’t be able to come here and vice versa but that indeed is still happening.
It’s fair game to criticise Brexit for adverse impacts it’s caused, but it’s not fair to blame it for everything for opportunistic point scoring.
oh dear what a shame never mind crack onUK universities report sharp post-Brexit drop in EU students
The 2021–22 academic year saw a 53% fall in the number of first-year EU students enrolling at British universities.www.nature.com
EU student numbers have more than halved since Brexit. This has adversely affected the revenue streams of our university sector and yes it is entirely due to Brexit.
As I said, there's enough to go at which can rightly be attributed to Brexit. But there's a lot of other things that aren't primarily caused by Brexit - things which affect other countries. That's my point. We see Brexit unfairly blamed for everything on here and it does indeed undermine the case being made against Brexit.And another massive loss for our universities directly caused by Brexit;
UK scientists blocked from Horizon funding programme amid Brexit tensions
The European Union (EU) has confirmed it is holding back the UK's access to the £81bn 'Horizon Europe' programme as a response to Boris Johnson's plans to tear up the Northern Ireland protocol.eandt.theiet.org
These things are causing very real damage to our country and our economy. Of course we are going to mention them and blame the cause of them which is Brexit.
Yes I accept that.As I said, there's enough to go at which can rightly be attributed to Brexit. But there's a lot of other things that aren't primarily caused by Brexit - things which affect other countries. That's my point. We see Brexit unfairly blamed for everything on here and it does indeed undermine the case being made against Brexit.