A question for the Critchley supporters.

Beachcomber said:
If managed/coached properly, young Joseph could develop into a possibly more adroit version of John Murphy. He would need an equally gifted foil. KK is himself more of a burgeoning attack leader/target man. Maybe the two can forge a useful partnership. However we should still be seeking a couple of young Brett Ormerod types to link up with them.
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Neither will score enough goals.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
That really isn’t the starting position for any manager at all.

It’s actually a very weak and short term it’s approach to management. An approach that might possibly suit a relegation battle, but not a long term strategy.

The starting point for any Manager ought to be a clear strategy and system that you have confidence in. You should then do exactly what Critchley has done and fit the players you have available into the system… Then get rid of the ones who don’t fit and bring in some that do.

It might take longer than the weak short term option, but it’s the ONLY way to be successful over the longer term.
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So it's CJ squeezed into whatever lineup we start with at the expense of playing say, Morgan and Byers together. Surely the starting point is making sure you sign the players you need to fit into your preferred system. Rather like Mick McCarthy trying to play land of the giants football with the seven dwarfs
 
Martonmosser said:
You’re obviously happy with awful performances like Northampton, Burton, Cambridge etc before Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with poor performances like yesterday and Port Vale after Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with the players brought in, released and loaned out during the transfer window.
You’re even obviously happy with a bit of fist pumping by the guy who left but pretends to love the badge.
BUT what will you class as failure from the manager this season?
Maybe not gaining automatic promotion if you think we should have walked the league with the squad we have?
Maybe not getting in the playoffs?
Or you’re just happy to stay in this division after the sh1t show last season?
Under what circumstances would you be happy to see Critchley go?
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What would I class as failure from the manager this season?

Quite simply. Relegation. Which (presumably) is not on anyone’s radar.

Anything short of that is frustrating, annoying, and hugely, hugely depressing. But it’s not failure.

Apart from when the team is in a catastrophic spiral downwards (which we aren’t) imo there’s no justification for replacing the manager mid season.

There’s absolutely no guarantee a new manager would be able to produce the away results that have eluded Critchley. More probably the home form would be impacted and that would start to become very worrying.

Be careful what you wish for.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
What would I class as failure from the manager this season?

Quite simply. Relegation. Which (presumably) is not on anyone’s radar.

Anything short of that is frustrating, annoying, and hugely, hugely depressing. But it’s not failure.

Apart from when the team is in a catastrophic spiral downwards (which we aren’t) imo there’s no justification for replacing the manager mid season.

There’s absolutely no guarantee a new manager would be able to produce the away results that have eluded Critchley. More probably the home form would be impacted and that would start to become very worrying.

Be careful what you wish for.
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Didn't Martonmosser wish for his mate Andy Pilley to buy the club? Doesn't seem to have taken that lesson on board.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
What would I class as failure from the manager this season?

Quite simply. Relegation. Which (presumably) is not on anyone’s radar.

Anything short of that is frustrating, annoying, and hugely, hugely depressing. But it’s not failure.

Apart from when the team is in a catastrophic spiral downwards (which we aren’t) imo there’s no justification for replacing the manager mid season.

There’s absolutely no guarantee a new manager would be able to produce the away results that have eluded Critchley. More probably the home form would be impacted and that would start to become very worrying.

Be careful what you wish for.
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You surprise me Mex. Someone who has worked hard and done so well for himself has such a low bar set in this case. Personally I hope the person who pays the wages expects a lot more for the money he’s pumped and is still pumping in.
 
Martonmosser said:
What has that got to do with the O/P oh wise one?
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Imagine the mess we'd be in if Pilley had got his hands on our club.

Then imagine how we could get ourselves into a mess if we changed manager, particularly as the owner doesn't have the greatest track record in choosing managers.
 
Martonmosser said:
You surprise me Mex. Someone who has worked hard and done so well for himself has such a low bar set in this case. Personally I hope the person who pays the wages expects a lot more for the money he’s pumped and is still pumping in.
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I don’t have any insights as to Sadler’s thinking but wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t similar to the view expressed earlier by (I think) Chunky. Stats show the best results come from managers with 3 seasons under their belt. Hence the long contract. So you stick with them during rocky times.

From a purely personal POV I always struggle to decide when a manager should go. I’m always conscious that you can go from bad worse as shown by Appleton to McCarthy. (And yes I know Critchley kicked off that particular pantomime).

Even with Grayson I was only decided he had to go after the dire performance at Wycombe. And we’re a long way from that currently.
 
TheLuker said:
Imagine the mess we'd be in Pilley had got his hands on our club.

Then imagine how we could get ourselves into a mess if we changed manager, particularly as the owner doesn't have the greatest track record in choosing managers.
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I think Jimmy Mullen is next on his list.
 
TheLuker said:
Imagine the mess we'd be in if Pilley had got his hands on our club.

Then imagine how we could get ourselves into a mess if we changed manager, particularly as the owner doesn't have the greatest track record in choosing managers.
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Weird reasoning 🙄
 
I rarely read Mosser's posts because whilst I don't doubt his credentials as a proper fan neither do I doubt his credentials as a proper WUM. With due respect to West Paddock Casual (who may or may not have been involved in this one) the pair have plenty of previous for alcohol induced plotting for the sake of a run chase. 😁
 
rememberlesshannon said:
So it's CJ squeezed into whatever lineup we start with at the expense of playing say, Morgan and Byers together. Surely the starting point is making sure you sign the players you need to fit into your preferred system. Rather like Mick McCarthy trying to play land of the giants football with the seven dwarfs
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The situation Mick McCarthy came into is exactly the kind of situation where you should be fitting the system to the players you have at your disposal, but it’s an entirely different matter when you take on a job in the close season.

To throw Byers in immediately without a chance to work with him properly in training would be pretty short sighted and silly to say the least.

CJ has been largely excellent this season…
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The situation Mick McCarthy came into is exactly the kind of situation where you should be fitting the system to the players you have at your disposal, but it’s an entirely different matter when you take on a job in the close season.

To throw Byers in immediately without a chance to work with him properly in training would be pretty short sighted and silly to say the least.

CJ has been largely excellent this season…
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I think that's what I was saying wasn't it ?
He had a whole pre season to get the players in to suit the system, or play players in the right position. Who apart from Neil Critchley thought our starting wing backs would be CJ and Connolly on the wrong side. I wouldn't have started Byers on Saturday, but I'll bet it's Morgan misses out next weekend to accommodate him and not CJ.
 
rememberlesshannon said:
I think that's what I was saying wasn't it ?
He had a whole pre season to get the players in to suit the system, or play players in the right position. Who apart from Neil Critchley thought our starting wing backs would be CJ and Connolly on the wrong side. I wouldn't have started Byers on Saturday, but I'll bet it's Morgan misses out next weekend to accommodate him and not CJ.
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CJ has been a decent shout as a wing back.

It’s not unreasonable that Critchley would give the existing players an opportunity within his preferred system. It’s also not unreasonable to think that it might take more than a couple of transfer windows to get the squad to where it needs to be.

We allowed Appleton to completely dismantle everything that we’d started to build, then McCarthy to add insult to injury…

It was always going to take a bit of time to rebuild
 
Insider said:
I rarely read Mosser's posts because whilst I don't doubt his credentials as a proper fan neither do I doubt his credentials as a proper WUM. With due respect to West Paddock Casual (who may or may not have been involved in this one) the pair have plenty of previous for alcohol induced plotting for the sake of a run chase. 😁
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Sussed is Insy 😂😂
 
Martonmosser said:
Not sure you could class me as fickle mate but I know for a fact that I won’t be renewing if he is still the manager next season
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Believe When I See It "TRUE SEASIDER"
I'll buy an ST for the rest of my naturals as long as a good owner is at the helm.🧡🧡

May not use it all the time especially when it cold at Midweek🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
rememberlesshannon said:
The club is on the right track, the manager isn't. Starting point for any manager whoever it is, should be playing the best players in the best positions. Critchley has failed miserably this season on both counts in my opinion.
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Forgot you know more about the players than any manger ever would🙄🙄
 
Seainsea said:
Agree with much of this. We could and should have got a draw yesterday it was an unfortunate deflection which gave Grimmy no chance. Stevenage are a horrible team who play horrible football for a horrible manager. I would rather have Critchley than that idiot Evans. His post-match ramblings were laughable stating they should have had a penalty(?) and Dembele should have been sent off.

How Stevenage manage to keep 11 players on the pitch every week is a mystery to me. Constant niggling, cynical fouls to break up the game was a deliberate tactic to stop us playing and drag us down to their level. Which they achieved particularly in the 2nd half and as we've seen before when it comes to a physical battle we struggle. I thought we were too lightweight in midfield and should have have Virtue in there from the start and played two up front.

There is still a long way to go and the teams above us, particularly Stevenage are catchable. Interested to see where Byers fits in and we desperately need Jordan Rhodes back to full fitness and firing on all cylinders. One final point I was disappointed when Norburn was again substituted towards the end. As Captain he should be the one leading from the front and driving the team forward.
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Stevenage in sixth are 6 pts ahead with two games in hand. Suggest you have a little wager, you’ll get decent odds.
 
TheLuker said:
Absolute bare minimum I would give him is the first 20 odd games of next season. If by then we weren't showing signs of being able to get promoted then I'd start to think that he'd had long enough.
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That’s crazy. If we don’t show improvement as in get in the play offs, improve away form, and play the players we have to their strengths then why on earth would I give him another half season to demonstrate his continued lack of ability?
 
Chunkylad said:
That for me is the main point. The % of successful managers is overwhelmingly in favour of those who have been in charge more than 3 seasons.
The number who are successful in their first season in charge is minuscule so at some stage you have to play the odds and stick with what you have.

It doesn’t mean you have no ambition nor does it guarantee anything but if I’m owning a club I’m going to want to stick by a manager for 2 years unless it’s blatantly obvious that I got it wrong (like last season).
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So long as one can see measurable progress I don’t think people would disagree with your viewpoint. I’m not seeing measurable progress this year. I’m seeing mismanaged players who are poorly coached. Our defending is non existent. From a free header to a winning free shot yesterday we are repeating easily avoidable mistakes.
 
Martonmosser said:
You’re obviously happy with awful performances like Northampton, Burton, Cambridge etc before Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with poor performances like yesterday and Port Vale after Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with the players brought in, released and loaned out during the transfer window.
You’re even obviously happy with a bit of fist pumping by the guy who left but pretends to love the badge.
BUT what will you class as failure from the manager this season?
Maybe not gaining automatic promotion if you think we should have walked the league with the squad we have?
Maybe not getting in the playoffs?
Or you’re just happy to stay in this division after the sh1t show last season?
Under what circumstances would you be happy to see Critchley go?
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All a bit high a mighty don't you think? Maybe you are labelling me as a Critchley lover, who knows? Who cares?

I'm a realist. I've been watching Blackpool for 30 odd years and most of that time we have been a 3rd tier club. All of a sudden, people think we have a god given right to sweep the little teams in League 1 away this year and secure an easy promotion. Really?

I was fed up when I saw the result yesterday just like everyone else. Do I think we could be doing better? Yes, I think so especially since we have a good squad for once. Do I think success will be instant, less than a year after relegation? No.

I predicted 7th before the season started and I'm 1 place off I think. Next year we will challenge unless we go on a mad run between now and May this season. Pompey have been trying to go up for years. Sunderland, who get 35k crowds, also were in League 1 for years. As we're Wednesday, who get 30-40k crowds when playing well. I just don't understand why suddenly it is abject failure if we don't go up this year. Based on what exactly? As a club we are in good shape, the squad is great and Sadlers heart is in the right place. Give it time please, or is that concept not a think anymore in today's swipe-left-every-few-seconds world?

Oh and if we finish bottom half, please sack Critchley. Fine by me, but give the bloke a break and let him get on with it for now eh?
 
Martonmosser said:
You’re obviously happy with awful performances like Northampton, Burton, Cambridge etc before Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with poor performances like yesterday and Port Vale after Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with the players brought in, released and loaned out during the transfer window.
You’re even obviously happy with a bit of fist pumping by the guy who left but pretends to love the badge.
BUT what will you class as failure from the manager this season?
Maybe not gaining automatic promotion if you think we should have walked the league with the squad we have?
Maybe not getting in the playoffs?
Or you’re just happy to stay in this division after the sh1t show last season?
Under what circumstances would you be happy to see Critchley go?
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You're obviously happy putting words into other people's mouths and telling them what they think. Then again, maybe it's your defence against people who might otherwise take you seriously.
 
Wizaard said:
Can we let it go that the football is tediously boring.

This myth has come about to justify irrational hatred. Anyone who went to any of the Cup games to date has not been bored.

If they were, I suggest a trip to see a doctor who specialises in ADHD
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I think the football has improved particularly at home but why not have a go away from home a la Forest away ..If we played like that each away game then we would win plenty..we are too cautious and set up scared to lose ..the Fleetwood game plan and selection in the first half was absolutely unacceptable and that was two points literally flushed down the pan..the team have shown they can perform away when the shackles are off and the mindset of overthinking and second guessing simply has to stop..we need the attitude that if they score then we score more … to be lucky to get nil at Wycombe burton Lincoln port vale and Stevenage is simply not good enough in any way shape or form and if we played more attacking football in those games then it’s hard to imagine that the results could be worse..nobody would complain if we have it a real go and didn’t win as evidenced at Burnley last season and the second half at Fleetwood and to some extent Forest this season. Let’s give it a go and try and out score teams.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
I think the football has improved particularly at home but why not have a go away from home a la Forest away ..If we played like that each away game then we would win plenty..we are too cautious and set up scared to lose ..the Fleetwood game plan and selection in the first half was absolutely unacceptable and that was two points literally flushed down the pan..the team have shown they can perform away when the shackles are off and the mindset of overthinking and second guessing simply has to stop..we need the attitude that if they score then we score more … to be lucky to get nil at Wycombe burton Lincoln port vale and Stevenage is simply not good enough in any way shape or form and if we played more attacking football in those games then it’s hard to imagine that the results could be worse..nobody would complain if we have it a real go and didn’t win as evidenced at Burnley last season and the second half at Fleetwood and to some extent Forest this season. Let’s give it a go and try and out score teams.
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It's got to the point of the season when we can't afford to try and nick points. Go big or go home, as they say.
 
Martonmosser said:
You’re obviously happy with awful performances like Northampton, Burton, Cambridge etc before Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with poor performances like yesterday and Port Vale after Christmas.
You’re obviously happy with the players brought in, released and loaned out during the transfer window.
You’re even obviously happy with a bit of fist pumping by the guy who left but pretends to love the badge.
BUT what will you class as failure from the manager this season?
Maybe not gaining automatic promotion if you think we should have walked the league with the squad we have?
Maybe not getting in the playoffs?
Or you’re just happy to stay in this division after the sh1t show last season?
Under what circumstances would you be happy to see Critchley go?
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I think we've had relative success this season (and could still end the season with a trophy and a play off game) and we have some stability and a plan. Ludicrous to throw that away based on a few poor away performances and seemingly an agenda against the manager from a minority.
 
TheLuker said:
Read the Structured Dialogue minutes or the accounts to see that the owner is spending money, you daft old fart.

And that coach that you deride got us promoted out of this division and comfortably kept us in the Championship.
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What dialogue meeting you on about luker the march one,where there was a smokescreen up saying £90 million to be invested over the next 10 years.Can you put the minutes on this site,I have seen 7 pages of the minutes,but it’s not quite a true record.
 
I think a realistic target would be to make the playoffs. Whatever happens after that is down to fate..

I don't think our current squad is good enough to go up and stay up without a lot of investment into the team in terms of quality and experienced players. We are currently into the BSM Trophy semi final with a lot of big teams already eliminated, we were unlucky to progress further in the FA cup against Nottingham Forest.

I can understand some peoples frustrations with the manager, but how come all of a sudden a manager is judged on half a season? I'm confident we will make the playoffs, not saying we should be gaining automatic promotion because that is over achieving.
 
Not a prayer we will make the play-offs. Apart from the very odd win, we are clueless away from home and that will continue. The players look completely lost playing this crazy over complicated formation. I've never seen anything so hideous in my life.
 
jselfe1996 said:
I think a realistic target would be to make the playoffs. Whatever happens after that is down to fate..

I don't think our current squad is good enough to go up and stay up without a lot of investment into the team in terms of quality and experienced players. We are currently into the BSM Trophy semi final with a lot of big teams already eliminated, we were unlucky to progress further in the FA cup against Nottingham Forest.

I can understand some peoples frustrations with the manager, but how come all of a sudden a manager is judged on half a season? I'm confident we will make the playoffs, not saying we should be gaining automatic promotion because that is over achieving.
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Critchley is not being judged on half a season. Most remember the capitulation in the second half of the season before he left.
Add that to his failure to come up with anything other than a repeated shambles away from home and you can understand fans unrest. I would also question his part in recruitment in that the only quality players brought in are the borrowed Rhodes and Dembele. He needs to wise up or clear off.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Not a prayer we will make the play-offs. Apart from the very odd win, we are clueless away from home and that will continue. The players look completely lost playing this crazy over complicated formation. I've never seen anything so hideous in my life.
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Have you looked in the mirror?
 
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A_Tense_Grin said:
Not a prayer we will make the play-offs. Apart from the very odd win, we are clueless away from home and that will continue. The players look completely lost playing this crazy over complicated formation. I've never seen anything so hideous in my life.
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I found last season far more hideous personally. And that's just for starters.

Do you genuinely think the last six months is the worst of your lifetime?
 
65 & Counting said:
Critchley is not being judged on half a season. Most remember the capitulation in the second half of the season before he left.
Add that to his failure to come up with anything other than a repeated shambles away from home and you can understand fans unrest. I would also question his part in recruitment in that the only quality players brought in are the borrowed Rhodes and Dembele. He needs to wise up or clear off.
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Utter myth the second part of that Championship was up and down like any mid table team.
Three straight wins and a draw Feb/March time for starters.

Before those last two games were players had put their towels on the sunbeds already,won away at Barnsley,drew at play off team Luton and recorded our biggest win of the season putting 6 past Birmingham.

The only capitulation was away at Peterborough as half the squad was left at home and a bunch of kids on the bench who 2 years later are still nowhere near the first team.
 
So who allowed the players to 'put their towels on their sunbeds? Our esteemed coach?
I take it you're a Critchley disciple and happy with him and league1 status.
 
Wizaard said:
I found last season far more hideous personally. And that's just for starters.

Do you genuinely think the last six months is the worst of your lifetime?
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Yes. Really don't get why people keep comparing playing the likes of Burnley, Blackburn, Norwich etc with Burton, Stevenage and Port Vale. Madness.

The performances this season away from home has generated a huge disconnect with the fans. People are not buying into what Critchley is doing with the formation and that in itself is more worrying in the long term than whether we finish 7th, 8th or 9th in the table.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Yes. Really don't get why people keep comparing playing the likes of Burnley, Blackburn, Norwich etc with Burton, Stevenage and Port Vale. Madness.

The performances this season away from home has generated a huge disconnect with the fans. People are not buying into what Critchley is doing with the formation and that in itself is more worrying in the long term than whether we finish 7th, 8th or 9th in the table.
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So for 30 years plus under the Oystons you thought it was better than this season when we were playing the likes of Halifax and York, while aspiring to be Port Vale because they were in what is now the Championship, while playing in a ground with a 4,800 capacity.

It's either wilful ignorance or memory loss, because believe me, it was a lot worse than now, yet you're claiming otherwise.
 
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