100% reliable Roche antibody test available in UK

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Don_K_Lasher

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So at least we'll be able to determine who's had the virus and can go about their daily life as normal 👍🏻

But as a fat bloke with a cigar once said "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."
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Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development' - BBC News

The test, now approved in the UK, can tell who has had Covid-19 - but gives no guarantee they are immune.
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I think this is a blood sampling lab test, so may not be very suitable for easy and quick mass testing?
Definitely a huge and useful step forward though?
 
It certainly does say 100% accurate and they can produce thousands of tests a day. This is possibly why Boris Johnson is aiming for 200,000,00 test a day. I reckon it will include the swan tests and the antibody test. Hope I’m right.
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
It certainly does say 100% accurate and they can produce thousands of tests a day. This is possibly why Boris Johnson is aiming for 200,000,00 test a day. I reckon it will include the swan tests and the antibody test. Hope I’m right.
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l think it states in the 50 page guidelines issued this week that it’s a capacity of 200,000, having said that the language often changes.
 
Whilst this additional test is good news, it is really only a vaccine that can be the solution to the virus and that may not be available until next year. The latest estimates were that a maximum of 10% of the population in and around London will have had the virus and a much lower number elsewhere (less than 5%). If the antibody test confirms that it still means that the vast majority of the population can still catch it.
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
So at least we'll be able to determine who's had the virus and can go about their daily life as normal 👍🏻

But as a fat bloke with a cigar once said "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."
www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development' - BBC News

The test, now approved in the UK, can tell who has had Covid-19 - but gives no guarantee they are immune.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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It is really good news, to see how many have been infected to allow more accurate modelling.

The big caveat, as always, it that knowledge that you have had it does not mean you are immune or, if so, for how long
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
So at least we'll be able to determine who's had the virus and can go about their daily life as normal 👍🏻

But as a fat bloke with a cigar once said "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."
www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development' - BBC News

The test, now approved in the UK, can tell who has had Covid-19 - but gives no guarantee they are immune.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Doesn't that make it clear that you've had it, but that doesn't mean you're immune?
 
bfcpete said:
Whilst this additional test is good news, it is really only a vaccine that can be the solution to the virus and that may not be available until next year. The latest estimates were that a maximum of 10% of the population in and around London will have had the virus and a much lower number elsewhere (less than 5%). If the antibody test confirms that it still means that the vast majority of the population can still catch it.
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I agree about the vaccine, but this test means that the authorities can stop guessing and actually measure the percentage of the population who have previously contacted the virus, also those who self diagnosed themselves, can now get proof and go about their normal lives.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
It is brilliant news, but as above, no one is sure of immunity yet, it seems as if there's been no reinfection reported though.
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Won't that have to be measured over a long period of time?
I suppose, if the immunity only lasts 10 years, reinfection would only be detected in 2030 onwards.
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
It certainly does say 100% accurate and they can produce thousands of tests a day. This is possibly why Boris Johnson is aiming for 200,000,00 test a day. I reckon it will include the swan tests and the antibody test. Hope I’m right.
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I obviously skim read it and missed that all important bit. Sounds like a very promising development
 
Tangerinemoss said:
It is really good news, to see how many have been infected to allow more accurate modelling.

The big caveat, as always, it that knowledge that you have had it does not mean you are immune or, if so, for how long
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No No No...Obiously we must have a vaccine for real immunity

Even though we already know that we do get immunity for all other known coronaviruses, that developing antibodies is and always has been the bodies way of developing natural immunity and tests done in primates have shown that antibodies do provide immunity.

We've even been extracting the antibodies to use in our fight against coronavirus.
 
It is currently unknown whether those who have had Covid19 are subsequently immune so this means that although this test appears to be reliable, unlike the 3 million of another test we bought that didn`t work,it won`t be the game changer that was previously predicted,though still valuable, if you can become ill with this virus a second time or even on multiple subsequent occasions.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The reason the common cold is just the common cold is precisely because we have developed a certain amount of immunity to the virus that causes it.
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That is speculation, it may well be the common cold is far less virulent genetically, nothing to do with our immunity. Viruses are far more successful in evolutionary terms if they don't kill the host.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
That is speculation, it may well be the common cold is far less virulent genetically, nothing to do with our immunity. Viruses are far more successful in evolutionary terms if they don't kill the host.
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It's not speculation at all, we already know that there can be different immune response to the other types of coronavirus and that we have a residual 'cell memory' based immune response that lasts long after any initial protective immune response. So we do not just have a short term immunity as you claim, but instead a much longer term immunity. The rhinovirus which causes the typical common cold only evades complete elimination by the immune system due to mutation, likewise the flu. So it would be the speed of mutation, which we are led to believe is fairly slow in the coronavirus, which would determine the length of any immune response.

We are being primed for a vaccine....
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
It certainly does say 100% accurate and they can produce thousands of tests a day. This is possibly why Boris Johnson is aiming for 200,000,00 test a day. I reckon it will include the swan tests and the antibody test. Hope I’m right.
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From Roche:
The antibody test has a specificity greater than 99.8% and 100% sensitivity, meaning it can help to assess patients’ immune response to the virus.

The probability that a test correctly identifies that the patient has the disease is called the ‘sensitivity’
The probability that it correctly identifies that the patient doesn’t have the disease is called the ‘specificity’
 
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catinstalbans said:
A week later than everybody else but hey.
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You really are a misguided fool.

The government wanted to thoroughly test the system first before ordering - which surely to even you makes sense.

The FDA in the US never bothered (many tests are on sale and do not work) and the Australian health have just decided that the one they bought 1.5m kits of is not good enough.
 
I’m not looking at a load of bloody daft inkblots to prove I’ve not had COVID-19 bad enough when I had to get rid of those voices in my hea...oh Rhoche test, yes I know shuttup god damn you!
 
Its a good development to know if people have been infected. This will produce more accurate data if more tests are done.
We honestly do not know about effects on immunity certainly long term because this is a new virus.
However its fair to suggest that it would be most likely you would have some immunity.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's not speculation at all,
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You really don't understand, do you? All viruses have different pathogenicity like food poisoning bacteria have different pathogenicity. It depends on the expression of the RNA or DNA, what damage they do whilst reproducing, how fast they multiply, what host they are in, how much host tissue they use, for example as a capsule. That it basic microbiology. A successful virus / bacterium / parasite does not kill its host, that way it kills itself long term. A new virus long term will either reduce its pathogenicity, or die out by evolution.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
You really don't understand, do you? All viruses have different pathogenicity like food poisoning bacteria have different pathogenicity. It depends on the expression of the RNA or DNA, what damage they do whilst reproducing, how fast they multiply, what host they are in, how much host tissue they use, for example as a capsule. That it basic microbiology. A successful virus / bacterium / parasite does not kill its host, that way it kills itself long term. A new virus long term will either reduce its pathogenicity, or die out by evolution.
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Oh I understand alright.... We gain long-term immunity to the existing coronaviruses that last long after any initial immune response and it is our immune response which determines the outcome of any illness.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Oh I understand alright.... We gain long-term immunity to the existing coronaviruses that last long after any initial immune response and it is our immune response which determines the outcome of any illness.
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In this case it can kill or cure you.
 
Loco said:
In this case it can kill or cure you.
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It can, but I suppose that's where you play the odds.... The risks seem so tiny for younger age groups, you could almost promote the idea of coronavirus parties. Send your child away on summer camp to a coronavirus camp maybe..
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It can, but I suppose that's where you play the odds.... The risks seem so tiny for younger age groups, you could almost promote the idea of coronavirus parties. Send your child away on summer camp to a coronavirus camp maybe..
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JVT just said tents have poor air circulation so could be a great breeding ground for the virus and you might end up as a grandparent too 😁
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Oh I understand alright.... We gain long-term immunity to the existing coronaviruses that last long after any initial immune response and it is our immune response which determines the outcome of any illness.
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Nope, you are still not getting it. The expression of any virus is a combination of the virus itself and our immune system. You and I have talked about HPV before, its expression is, in a small percentage of cases, cervical cancer. That is not caused by our immune system. We cannot extrapolate from common cold to Covid 19, or MERS, or previous SARS until we have loads of reliable data. Hopefully this test will provide this in the next couple of months.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Nope, you are still not getting it. The expression of any virus is a combination of the virus itself and our immune system. You and I have talked about HPV before, its expression is, in a small percentage of cases, cervical cancer. That is not caused by our immune system. We cannot extrapolate from common cold to Covid 19, or MERS, or previous SARS until we have loads of reliable data. Hopefully this test will provide this in the next couple of months.
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I didn't say it was 'caused by' our immune system, you just added that bit yourself 😉

"When you're exposed to genital human papillomavirus (HPV), your immune system usually prevents the virus from doing serious harm. But sometimes, the virus survives for years. Eventually, the virus can lead to the conversion of normal cells on the surface of the cervix into cancerous cells. "
Ergo, the immune system determines the outcome of the illness
 
Apparently the original trial was based on only 26 individuals, and there is apparently a margin of error anyway from the equipment that provides the results from the original test as well?
Roche playing a bit fast and loose in calling it 100 per cent accurate to try to gain ‘first mover advantage’ perhaps?
Likely to be pretty reliable though I suppose.
 
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