20 mph speed limit

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Ollygon

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I see our Rishi's spotted a huge bandwagon going past so he's jumped on it.

However, when pressed by Laura Kuenssberg he went into his Wishi Washi Rishi mode, and as usual wouldn't answer whether or not he would stop Conservative Councils introducing widespread 20 mph limits.

The Welsh Government have got this badly wrong, and will regret not consulting more widely, or being more flexible. I think they'll have to do a lot of backpedalling (at 20 mph!) on this.

Limits outside schools are imperative, and there may well be other locations where speed should be restricted, but not on a blanket basis.

The current 30 mph limit can't even be kept to, and is enforced on a piecemeal basis. Cars regularly go over 50 past my house, and it's impossible to get the police or the Council to catch these buggers, despite numerous bumps, ( my parked car had to be written off after a boy racer hit it) near misses and injuries. Apparently there has to be a fatality before anything gets done.
 
Ollygon said:
I see our Rishi's spotted a huge bandwagon going past so he's jumped on it.

However, when pressed by Laura Kuenssberg he went into his Wishi Washi Rishi mode, and as usual wouldn't answer whether or not he would stop Conservative Councils introducing widespread 20 mph limits.

The Welsh Government have got this badly wrong, and will regret not consulting more widely, or being more flexible. I think they'll have to do a lot of backpedalling (at 20 mph!) on this.

Limits outside schools are imperative, and there may well be other locations where speed should be restricted, but not on a blanket basis.

The current 30 mph limit can't even be kept to, and is enforced on a piecemeal basis. Cars regularly go over 50 past my house, and it's impossible to get the police or the Council to catch these buggers, despite numerous bumps, ( my parked car had to be written off after a boy racer hit it) near misses and injuries. Apparently there has to be a fatality before anything gets done.
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Wales Govt now saying that after the initial kerfuffle, it's not added to average journey times and reduced accidents. Job done.

Tory mantra of being selfish extends to driving like an idiot past schools if you want to.
 
todayistheday said:
Sleeping policeman on every non major road, limit cars to 50mph on others. That will get more on trains and planes, restart HS2.
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None of this has been proposed. Typical Tory plan of scrapping stuff that's never happened and claiming credit for it.

The only thing that is planned is HS2 to the North, which apparently stops at Birmingham.
 
Just been in Reims in Northern France for two days.
Drivers doing 30 or 40 routinely in parts of the City. Elactric bikes and escooters coming at you from all angles.
Nerves were shredded. Oh for a 20 mph limit on the lot of them 😥.
 
Wizaard said:
For the hundredth time, none of this is planned. More scaremongering, bandwagon jumping nonsense from a set of twats devoid of real ideas.
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Nothing appears to be planned at the moment by Labour.

There's been a lot of winding back on policy ideas.

Being charitable, the world is different to where it was a year ago; being churlish, they'd say anything to be elected.

I'm off to the Labour Party Conference this year, on a couple of panels. Be interesting to see what they actually stand for from within as it were.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
30 is fine. 20 is madness and comes from the worst kind of nimbyism.
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30mph is 30mph the truth is especially on the road I mentioned the 30mph speed limit is exceeded regularly by many many idiots who are in such a hurry, they carry their speed from Amounderness Way round the roundabout and all the way down to North Drive not giving a f to anyone trying to cross that road which has no pedestrian crossings at all on that stretch. Someone is going to get killed crossing that road.
 
Up here in Bonny Scotland, we had a trial 20 on residential areas for a couple of years, they recently added it to the main road leading into the village. It has not increased my journey time, but it has slowed some of the knob heads down. Up here, kids play outside like we used to years ago, in all weathers, we have disabled folk who cannot see traffic as well, and I think their safety far outweighs any change in time
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Up here in Bonny Scotland, we had a trial 20 on residential areas for a couple of years, they recently added it to the main road leading into the village. It has not increased my journey time, but it has slowed some of the knob heads down. Up here, kids play outside like we used to years ago, in all weathers, we have disabled folk who cannot see traffic as well, and I think their safety far outweighs any change in time
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Exactly.

If anyone has been on a speed awareness course, the difference in stopping times between 20 and 30 is major, not even taking into account that when people see 30, they really do 35.
 
The area I live in is 20 mph and has been for around 18 months. I must admit that it's cut down the speed of some individuals, with blaring base 'music' ( a term I use loosely), from 50 to 40 mph or thereabouts. It's at that sort of speed that you can pop your exhaust. pillocks.

Add to that Ilkley is becoming a 20 mph zone in the near future.
 
Cars regularly pass my house (Park Rd) at 50 plus. Plenty of major smashes at the junction with Greenwood, though. It’s a sad reality that morons usually take out innocents with themselves.
 
Bennys_was_a_mob said:
30mph is 30mph the truth is especially on the road I mentioned the 30mph speed limit is exceeded regularly by many many idiots who are in such a hurry, they carry their speed from Amounderness Way round the roundabout and all the way down to North Drive not giving a f to anyone trying to cross that road which has no pedestrian crossings at all on that stretch. Someone is going to get killed crossing that road.
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So put a crossing in or some speed cameras if it is that bad but 20 mph is ludicrous and we might as well go back to having a man with a flag walking in front of cars.
 
We have a 20mph limit outside the village primary school and 30mph interactive warning signs elswhere in the village. That seems to do the job 95% of the time.
Unfortunately, you will always have a small minority that will ignore signs, even if the limit was a blanket 10 or 20 mph. When some roadworks were being done locally, some were using the village as a bypass route and driving at ridiculous speeds. A few residents with speed guns soon deterred them!
 
bfcpete said:
We have a 20mph limit outside the village primary school and 30mph interactive warning signs elswhere in the village. That seems to do the job 95% of the time.
Unfortunately, you will always have a small minority that will ignore signs, even if the limit was a blanket 10 or 20 mph. When some roadworks were being done locally, some were using the village as a bypass route and driving at ridiculous speeds. A few residents with speed guns soon deterred them!
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Our parish Council have set up some interactive speed signs and published the outcomes. Going past the park, the average speed was around 25mph (in a 20 zone) with a top speed of 120.

That's what you're dealing with.
 
Any one at his level whose strategy is based on a series of negative sniping is a waste of space TBH. I was not a Johnson fan, but he gave positive leadership of ideas to make things better. Sunak is the politics of defeat. He has more or less given up on the big issues. He is a disastrous PM for the country and a very weak leader.
 
Personally I see nothing wrong with a 20 MPH limit in town centres.
The problem is, making it stick.
There's a 20 MPH in Poulton town centre, I think I'm the only one who observes it. (Shines Halo).
 
The boy racers ignore both the 30 and 20-mph speed limits around Blackpool. Often driving 50mph, and 60mph
and let's not forget the electric bike riders that are doing 30mph plus around Blackpool. None of that will stop
unless we have speed bumps everywhere.
 
The speed limits on our roads nationwide have become utterly farcical. Not so much the speeds themselves, but the complete lack of consistency, the poor signage or warnings (particularly in areas where a speed change isn’t obvious based on surroundings).

There’s literally loads of these ‘Hot-Spots’ where the Police are aware that they can pick off speeding motorists, based on driver error / unawareness as opposed to intentional speeding… Why not improve signage, make speed limit changes more obvious in and around these hotspots, if the intention is to genuinely stop people speeding?

These additional 20 mph limits (and let’s face it, it’s a ridiculously slow speed and completely unnecessary in many areas) just add to an existing problem …
 
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Wizaard said:
Our parish Council have set up some interactive speed signs and published the outcomes. Going past the park, the average speed was around 25mph (in a 20 zone) with a top speed of 120.

That's what you're dealing with.
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120 past the park? Feckin hell! More severe penalties for completely reckless speeds needed such as prison for that and crush their vehicles too.
otherwise, 99% of us that perhaps don't always drive to the limit but drive sensibly in recognised hazardous areas get penalised with 20mph zones etc. There's no comparison in the level of danger between me doing 65 mph on a 50mph dual carriageway, and somebody doing 40+ in a 20/30mph zone past a school during drop off and pick up times.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
The one in Wales is a waste of time as hardly anyone is sticking to it

The ones that do are just blocking the roads

Waste of time and money and typical of Welsh labour
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I was speaking to one of my clients today and her elderly parents have just moved out of South Wales after being born there and living their whole life there in the same village and have just moved to the Isle of Wight because they said South Wales was dead, it had been destroyed by the Welsh Government and that their leader was worse than the English or Scottish Governments. Her dad was devastated to move but knew they had to. I think that's really sad. They also said the 20mph speed limit was a terrible thing.
 
Danny Ocean said:
The boy racers ignore both the 30 and 20-mph speed limits around Blackpool. Often driving 50mph, and 60mph
and let's not forget the electric bike riders that are doing 30mph plus around Blackpool. None of that will stop
unless we have speed bumps everywhere.
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The electric bike users in Poulton are mainly on the footpath on Blackpool Old Rd.
Still speeding also.
 
Cynical mode on:
It’s just another cash cow targeting motorists (again) under the guise of ‘road safety’


Don’t suppose they want to talk about the increase it will have on emissions?

Don’t suppose they’ve considered actually bringing back lessons to teach young kids how to cross roads and ride bikes safely?
 
tangerine_neil said:
Cynical mode on:
It’s just another cash cow targeting motorists (again) under the guise of ‘road safety’


Don’t suppose they want to talk about the increase it will have on emissions?

Don’t suppose they’ve considered actually bringing back lessons to teach young kids how to cross roads and ride bikes safely?
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How is it a cash cow?
 
foggy said:
All speed limits are made up. There were limits before this change, so I can't see how it would be raising more money.
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Speed cameras are going up all over Wales in the new 20 Zones

If I was a betting man I would say in the next 6 months or so more people will be getting fines for going over 20

The same people wouldn't have been getting fines 3 weeks ago as they wouldn't have been breaking the limit
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Speed cameras are going up all over Wales in the new 20 Zones

If I was a betting man I would say in the next 6 months or so more people will be getting fines for going over 20

The same people wouldn't have been getting fines 3 weeks ago as they wouldn't have been breaking the limit
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Sounds expensive, I cant imagine they will be raking in that much cash with the amount of money such a network of speed cameras cost? Beside, no money from fines goes to the Welsh government or local council. It is all given to the Treasury and the Conservative government. And I would imagine any 'profit' generated amounts to about 0.0001% of their budget.
 
foggy said:
Sounds expensive, I cant imagine they will be raking in that much cash with the amount of money such a network of speed cameras cost? Beside, no money from fines goes to the Welsh government or local council. It is all given to the Treasury and the Conservative government. And I would imagine any 'profit' generated amounts to about 0.0001% of their budget.
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Will see what happens, they have said they won't fine people and it's more about education to start with but I dont believe a word of it

I live in a tourist town and several of these 20 zones are straight after a 40 or a 60 area so will no doubt be catching the unexpecting tourists or elderly resident

I'm unsure if you are right on where the monies would go as it was voted in by the Welsh Senedd and has been pretty much opposed by all political parties

2 billion pounds have been raised through speeding fines in the last 10 years btw

if that isn't a cash cow I'm unsure what it
 
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Phil_bfc deux said:
Will see what happens, they have said they won't fine people and it's more about education to start with but I dont believe a word of it

I live in a tourist town and several of these 20 zones are straight after a 40 or a 60 area so will no doubt be catching the unexpected tourists or elderly

I'm unsure if you are right on where the monies would go as it was voted in by the Welsh Senedd
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Welsh Gov website: "The money generated by 20mph speeding fines, as with all speeding fines, is directed to HM Treasury. Welsh Government do not receive any monies from speeding fines." More info here from a more independent car website

I don't really have an opinion on the matter as I dont drive and the evidence that 20 over 30 reduces deaths seems to be mixed. More people support it than oppose it according to polling, but I can't say myself whether I think it is a good or bad policy. I'm sure it will be a pain in the arse in some areas like you mentioned with your kids. But attributing this to financial motivation is clearly wrong. And most people adjust their behaviours fairly quickly to schemes like this. As evidenced by the already significant reduction in average speeds.
 
foggy said:
Welsh Gov website: "The money generated by 20mph speeding fines, as with all speeding fines, is directed to HM Treasury. Welsh Government do not receive any monies from speeding fines." More info here from a more independent car website

I don't really have an opinion on the matter as I dont drive and the evidence that 20 over 30 reduces deaths seems to be mixed. More people support it than oppose it according to polling. Maybe it's a good or bad policy, I don't really know, I'm sure it will be a pain in the arse in some areas like you mentioned with your kids. But attributing this to financial motivation is clearly wrong.
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I'm surprised you care so much given you don't drive and I have no idea how you can say there is no financial motivation to it with such certainty

There are absolutely no benefits to it, according to recent studies and tests on vehicles it's not even better for the environment
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I'm surprised you care so much given you don't drive and I have no idea how you can say there is no financial motivation to it with such certainty

There are absolutely no benefits to it, according to recent studies and tests on vehicles it's not even better for the environment
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I just said I don't really care. But I have noticed a trend of cynically calling out policies someone doesnt like as 'cash cows' though, and I don't think it is particularly healthy or in this case based in logic or reality. Why on Earth would a Labour council be doing all this to raise what at best would be small change found down the back of the sofa for the Conservative government? It makes no sense.
 
foggy said:
I just said I don't really care. But I have noticed a trend of cynically calling out policies someone doesnt like as 'cash cows' though, and I don't think it is particularly healthy or in this case based in logic or reality. Why on Earth would a Labour council be doing all this to raise what at best would be small change found down the back of the sofa for the Conservative government? It makes no sense.
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Why else do it then, I mean it's not like there is a decent rail network in Wales these days so it's done to get people to use public transport

The Beaching report and the labour government sorted that out closing miles and miles of railways and stations years ago

Anyway it doesn't effect you so I dont understand why you are even commenting on it

Oh and when I pay my speeding fines i pay the courts in Wales not England, I have no idea how the funds get re distributed but I definitely pay the Welsh courts
 
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