2009/10 SQUAD vs now

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Athers

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The lads that got us to the premier league are legends. The likes of Adam, Southern, Vaughan, DJ, Evo, Brett, Crainey - legends.

My question is this. Is this SQUAD, not team, the actual 25, stronger than our promotion winning one?

2009:

Gilks, Rachubka

Crainey, Coid, Eardley, Coleman, Evatt, Baptiste, Easthsm, Edwards, Seip

Adam, Southern, Vaughan, GTF, Bouazza, Bannan, Demontagnac, Bangura

DJ, Ormerod, Dobbie, Burgess, Euell, Clarke Emanuel-Thomas, Nardiello

While I think the championship playoff winning XI are better than the current best XI I seriously think this current squad has far more strength in depth and a much better manager
 
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This squad is far better, I'd have worried about any of our first choice back 4 or midfield 3 getting injured in the first half of the season.

2009/10 team has players that would comfortably start for this team though. Adam, Vaughan GTF, DJ and possibly a couple of others.

With this squad (and manager) I trust any player to be out and their direct replacement to come in and play the same role to the same high standard.
 
Hard to compare, but I'd say Crainey, Coleman, Evatt, Baptiste, Adam, Southern, Vaughan, GTF, DJ, Ormerod and Dobbie were as good if not better than what we have now, with a few of those obviously walking into the current first team.
I'd say rather than a strong 11 with some star players back then, we now have a more even depth of quality throughout the squad and a players that can come in without it looking like a drop in quality.
 
Not much in it with regards to the keepers.

Full backs similar, maybe slightly weaker in the centre now but not by much.

Midfield, Southern/Adam/Vaughan significantly stronger.

Forwards I'd say the current team has the edge.

Overall I agree, the 2009/10 first XI would probably win a one off game, but the current squad would probably do better over a full season.
 
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yep agree that the squad is probably better now than back then but you can only put eleven players on the pitch at any one time and I'd say that the best eleven back then is a fair bit ahead of the best eleven now although the best eleven now is up for much debate.
 
Crainey, Coleman and Evatt would walk into the current team.
As would the entire midfield.
DJ, too.
Let's keep perspective and remember that the 2009-10 team proved themselves competitive in the Premier League.
This squad haven't completed one Championship season yet, so the comparison is not appropriate.

I agree, though, with the implication that squads are becoming more important, and we are buiilding a strong one.
 
Athers said:
The lads that got us to the premier league are legends. The likes of Adam, Southern, Vaughan, DJ, Evo, Brett, Crainey - legends.

My question is this. Is this SQUAD, not team, the actual 25, stronger than our promotion winning one?

2009:

Gilks, Rachubka

Crainey, Coid, Eardley, Coleman, Evatt, Baptiste, Easthsm, Edwards, Seip

Adam, Southern, Vaughan, GTF, Bouazza, Bannan, Demontagnac, Bangura

DJ, Ormerod, Dobbie, Burgess, Euell, Clarke Emanuel-Thomas, Nardiello

While I think the championship playoff winning XI are better than the current best XI I seriously think this current squad has far more strength in depth and a much better manager
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Agree totally with your POV
Some of the 2009 squad you would not really want at the club
Bouazza was disruptive
Demontagnac head case
Nardiello crap
 
The title say 2009 yet lists coleman, slightly odd considering he didn’t arrive, all be it for a few weeks until March 2010.
anyway the promotion squad back then had to rely on loans such as Bannan and Coleman, this one doesn’t and in my opinion the current team is far better👍🏻
and a far far better manager too👍🏻
 
We did this the other day, I think I only went for Maxwell and Jerry of the current squad.

Coleman, Evatt, Baps, Crainey, Vaughan, Charlie, Gnashers, GTF and DJ would all get in the first eleven today, I can't make an argument for leaving any of them out.

I've only left Brett out of the outfield players and only because he was getting towards the end of his career, he'd walk in to the first team a few years earlier.

The bench is MILES stronger today though.
 
The thing is if the majority of those players were injured. We didn't have back up. Now we do in almost every role bar what Madine brings to the squad.
 
It is all about potential.

The 2009 squad delivered in the championship and for long periods looked comfortable in the premier league.

The current squad have the potential to emulate them or even do better but it is too early to say.
 
Let's wait and see how we compare at the end of the season. Then we will have the true comparison. 15 games is shit all really.

Let's be honest, that was a good squad but they still MASSIVELY overachieved even getting to the prem, nevermind almost surviving in it!

Let's see how far we overachieve this year!
 
Squad now easily better. First XI then better. What we don't know is to what degree the squad and the competition therein can elevate the individuals. What we had then was largely a settled set of players with a few trusted back ups/alternatives who played out of their skins and contained individuals like Charlie who were once a lifetime quality. What we have now is no Charlie but lots of players who have the potential to be as good as most of the other players if they maintain their focus, learn, give everything, every game and with the competition as it is for places, who is to say they can't do that?

I think this is clearly a stronger overall unit, but realistically, Kenshi is wonderful, I love the lad, but when you think he's the most creative/impact type player and compare him to Adam, it's that area that is palpably weaker. That's not knocking the Kesh who is a ** legend for his impudence and imagination, it's just a fact - Charlie was better but you don't get to support us and see 'a Charlie Adam' every other season*. Essentially, imagine this team with a deadly set piece taker or someone you'd back from the halfway line. Conversely, imagine the Prem team with 8 or 9 players who were as good as the first XI.

There's arguments for both sides. What I do think is this team has potential longevity and resilience that the 09/10 didn't. There's an alternate reality where a couple of injuries meant Ollie never happened. Critch has already shown that no matter what side is fit, he can get a tune out of it.

*but despite me being a bit cautious about Carey, something about him makes me think he might be something a bit special even if he's not a 'Charlie Adam type**.

** Also the phrase 'a Charlie Adam type player' is a poor one because Charlie was quite idiosyncratic. The reason he ended up here is precisely because managers don't generally trust, coach or develop 'Charlie Adam type players' because they don't quite fit into conventional wisdom about team football in the 21st century. It was only because he was so ** good that he transcended that. On paper he was slow, a bit of a liability at times, a bit ill disciplined and prone to making Holywood passes that risked possession and trying ridiculous stuff that would never work. In practice, he was a magician. Youth development and conventional football wisdom pays a lot of heed to those 'on paper' qualities and thus there aren't many of him about. Which is kind of why he was so treasured. He was touched by the same genius that someone like Gazza was. Different players but similar in that kind of impossible to replicate as what they do doesn't fit a mould. Charlie was like some mad player from another generation or a comic!
 
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Squad now easily better. First XI then better. What we don't know is to what degree the squad and the competition therein can elevate the individuals. What we had then was largely a settled set of players with a few trusted back ups/alternatives who played out of their skins and contained individuals like Charlie who were once a lifetime quality. What we have now is no Charlie but lots of players who have the potential to be as good as most of the other players if they maintain their focus, learn, give everything, every game and with the competition as it is for places, who is to say they can't do that?

I think this is clearly a stronger overall unit, but realistically, Kenshi is wonderful, I love the lad, but when you think he's the most creative/impact type player and compare him to Adam, it's that area that is palpably weaker. That's not knocking the Kesh who is a ** legend for his impudence and imagination, it's just a fact - Charlie was better but you don't get to support us and see 'a Charlie Adam' every other season*. Essentially, imagine this team with a deadly set piece taker or someone you'd back from the halfway line. Conversely, imagine the Prem team with 8 or 9 players who were as good as the first XI.

There's arguments for both sides. What I do think is this team has potential longevity and resilience that the 09/10 didn't. There's an alternate reality where a couple of injuries meant Ollie never happened. Critch has already shown that no matter what side is fit, he can get a tune out of it.

*but despite me being a bit cautious about Carey, something about him makes me think he might be something a bit special even if he's not a 'Charlie Adam type**.

** Also the phrase 'a Charlie Adam type player' is a poor one because Charlie was quite idiosyncratic. The reason he ended up here is precisely because managers don't generally trust, coach or develop 'Charlie Adam type players' because they don't quite fit into conventional wisdom about team football in the 21st century. It was only because he was so ** good that he transcended that. On paper he was slow, a bit of a liability at times, a bit ill disciplined and prone to making Holywood passes that risked possession and trying ridiculous stuff that would never work. In practice, he was a magician. Youth development and conventional football wisdom pays a lot of heed to those 'on paper' qualities and thus there aren't many of him about. Which is kind of why he was so treasured. He was touched by the same genius that someone like Gazza was. Different players but similar in that kind of impossible to replicate as what they do doesn't fit a mould. Charlie was like some mad player from another generation or a comic!
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Jesus christ mate you are proper on one this morning!!!! 😱😱😱
 
Definitely a stronger a squad this season but the mid-field 3 of Adam, Vaughan and Southern gave the old team the overall edge.
Better manager now though.
 
Athers said:
The lads that got us to the premier league are legends. The likes of Adam, Southern, Vaughan, DJ, Evo, Brett, Crainey - legends.

My question is this. Is this SQUAD, not team, the actual 25, stronger than our promotion winning one?

2009:

Gilks, Rachubka

Crainey, Coid, Eardley, Coleman, Evatt, Baptiste, Easthsm, Edwards, Seip

Adam, Southern, Vaughan, GTF, Bouazza, Bannan, Demontagnac, Bangura

DJ, Ormerod, Dobbie, Burgess, Euell, Clarke Emanuel-Thomas, Nardiello

While I think the championship playoff winning XI are better than the current best XI I seriously think this current squad has far more strength in depth and a much better manager
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A couple of injuries and that squad would have looked very thin. Typical Oyston - no plan b

As you say the core looks legendary- the squad looks light
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
We did this the other day, I think I only went for Maxwell and Jerry of the current squad.

Coleman, Evatt, Baps, Crainey, Vaughan, Charlie, Gnashers, GTF and DJ would all get in the first eleven today, I can't make an argument for leaving any of them out.

I've only left Brett out of the outfield players and only because he was getting towards the end of his career, he'd walk in to the first team a few years earlier.

The bench is MILES stronger today though.
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I reckon Marv and Keogh are at a similar level to Evatt and Baps. Wintle is Vaughan mk II. Gnashers was good but so is Kenny. Keshi / GTF? I think Charlie and DJ are the two players who would obviously improve us right now.
 
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I reckon Marv and Keogh are at a similar level to Evatt and Baps. Wintle is Vaughan mk II. Gnashers was good but so is Kenny. Keshi / GTF? I think Charlie and DJ are the two players who would obviously improve us right now.
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I was thinking more GTF for Madine or anyone else to be honest.
 
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