A likeable guy ?

Lost Seasider said:
Seems that Boris isn't the only "liar": https://order-order.com/2022/07/26/listen-starmer-admits-hes-scrapped-his-ten-leadership-pledges/

Sir Keir has finally admitted his 10 leadership pledges, signed on the dotted line just two years ago, have bitten the dust.

Appearing on the Today Programme just now with Nick Robinson, Starmer claimed – before losing signal halfway through his answer – that changing circumstances meant his solemn promise to reheat Corbynism is off the cards.


The phrase "sauce for the goose............" comes to mind.
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He stands for nothing at the moment.

It's good that he's finally acknowledged he lied to get elected Leader of the Labour Party; but now what?

Well he's just sacked his Shadow Transport Minister for joining a picket line with legally striking workers; so we now know he's against the workers in favour of the fat cats and profiteers in charge.

I think we can see where this is headed.

He's going to have a bust up with the Unions and 25% of his party just as the Tories swing behind their new Leader.
 
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Tarry was sacked because he made spending pledges on wages in an interview that hadn't been agreed by the shadow cabinet. Heavy handed by Starmer but you cannot have front benchers making policy on the hoof. They have to show some discipline and collective responsibility. The left have jumped on this because they hate Starmer, it's nothing to do with joining picket lines.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Tarry was sacked because he made spending pledges on wages in an interview that hadn't been agreed by the shadow cabinet. Heavy handed by Starmer but you cannot have front benchers making policy on the hoof. They have to show some discipline and collective responsibility. The left have jumped on this because they hate Starmer, it's nothing to do with joining picket lines.
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But the front bench are still told not to show support for the pickets.
 
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Lytham_fy8 said:
But the front bench are still told not to show support for the pickets.
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Yes, it's about not scaring the horses [middle England]. Labour in position to win in 2024, they don't want to be seen as militants.
There is no point in being right about everything if you can never change anything. Winning is what counts. Tories main tactic is to scare voters into voting against their interests.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Yes, it's about not scaring the horses [middle England]. Labour in position to win in 2024, they don't want to be seen as militants.
There is no point in being right about everything if you can never change anything. Winning is what counts. Tories main tactic is to scare voters into voting against their interests.
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What's the policy regarding cost of living? Does anyone know beyond his vague 'well they need to sit down and have a good chat, not be all strikey'?

They're missing a big chance to really cease the narrative, really press home the harm being done to people, the impossible circumstances they find themselves in while the Tory Party only seems to care about yet another civil war. But Starmer seems like a rabbit in the headlights, unable to lead a real opposition, only being led by the vagaries of snapshot opinion.

If winning is all that counts and the entire party is geared towards it with no real identity, what happens when you lose?

The government is a shambolic national embarrassment of corrupt self interest and incompetency but Starmer still can't pull out a double digit lead mid term. He won't win as it stands, a new PM has a huge advantage with a snap election and nothing but failure and a soulless party will be Starmer's legacy.
 
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
Tarry was sacked because he made spending pledges on wages in an interview that hadn't been agreed by the shadow cabinet. Heavy handed by Starmer but you cannot have front benchers making policy on the hoof. They have to show some discipline and collective responsibility. The left have jumped on this because they hate Starmer, it's nothing to do with joining picket lines.
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That's the line being spun anyway, I think the reality is that this was more or less a direct challenge to Sir Keir's authority, and if he allowed him to remain in place it would've been the beginning of the end for him.
 
Lost Seasider said:
That's the line being spun anyway, I think the reality is that this was more or less a direct challenge to Sir Keir's authority, and if he allowed him to remain in place it would've been the beginning of the end for him.
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I think you are correct. In politics you've usually got to look at the internal politics to understand the external politics which is part of the reason it is both fascinating and simultaneously turns many people off.
 
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