ALL Lives Matter

IMO this is an attempt by the right to undermine the BLM movement by attempting to sew division and hatred.
BLM to me is far more about the structural and institutionalised inequality that we have in our society than the terrible death of any person, black or white. The younger generation seem serious about changing things, good luck to them.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
IMO this is an attempt by the right to undermine the BLM movement by attempting to sew division and hatred.
BLM to me is far more about the structural and institutionalised inequality that we have in our society than the terrible death of any person, black or white. The younger generation seem serious about changing things, good luck to them.
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Spot on and, yes, the younger generation will change things and that is why all the old racists are so livid and trying to undermine and stop them.
 
The media frenzy surrounding this is having a negative effect. I’m not alone in feeling that ONLY black lives matter and that the government will be pressured into pouring huge sums into black dominated areas, at the expense of the many more white areas which are deprived.

I’m now turning over or off when yet another black person comes on saying how they’ve experienced racism. I doubt many of them have in this country. The most ridiculous was a woman telling us the her 4 year old daughter had been told by her classmates at nursery, that she wouldn’t get anywhere in life because she is black. Kids of that age don’t say things like that.
 
Matesrates said:
The media frenzy surrounding this is having a negative effect. I’m not alone in feeling that ONLY black lives matter and that the government will be pressured into pouring huge sums into black dominated areas, at the expense of the many more white areas which are deprived.

I’m now turning over or off when yet another black person comes on saying how they’ve experienced racism. I doubt many of them have in this country. The most ridiculous was a woman telling us the her 4 year old daughter had been told by her classmates at nursery, that she wouldn’t get anywhere in life because she is black. Kids of that age don’t say things like that.
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Careful, some on here will be demanding the nursery be closed down.
 
Sick of hearing "all lives matter". That's not what the campaign is FFS.

Why can't people understand it?

A lady gave an analogy on TV the other day. She said imagine all lives is a row of houses. If there is a fire in one of the houses the fire brigade do not need to go into all the houses. BLM is their house and their campaign.
 
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Matesrates said:
The media frenzy surrounding this is having a negative effect. I’m not alone in feeling that ONLY black lives matter and that the government will be pressured into pouring huge sums into black dominated areas, at the expense of the many more white areas which are deprived.

I’m now turning over or off when yet another black person comes on saying how they’ve experienced racism. I doubt many of them have in this country. The most ridiculous was a woman telling us the her 4 year old daughter had been told by her classmates at nursery, that she wouldn’t get anywhere in life because she is black. Kids of that age don’t say things like that.
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In summary, as a white man you're sick of these black people whinging and lying about racism?
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
I'm getting a little bit tired of hearing the phrase 'privileged white male'
It's divisive and counter productive.
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I suspect other privileged white males would agree with you lol.

In all seriosness though, I think I might have agreed with you at one point, but in reality, I think most of us just don't get it and we struggle to come to terms with it being pointed out..It't difficult to stomach. I read somewhere recently that if reference to white privilege and or male privilege is something that triggers you, then you really need to take time out to reflect and work on yourself. Unfortunately most of us just froth at the mouth and go into tantrum mode instead.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I suspect other privileged white males would agree with you lol.

In all seriosness though, I think I might have agreed with you at one point, but in reality, I think most of us just don't get it and we struggle to come to terms with it being pointed out..It't difficult to stomach. I read somewhere recently that if reference to white privilege and or male privilege is something that triggers you, then you really need to take time out to reflect and work on yourself. Unfortunately most of us just froth at the mouth and go into tantrum mode instead.
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I hear what you're saying Bifster. But it just makes me feel like I'm being demonised and blamed for all things racist and sexist. I find it quite an insulting and divisive description to be honest.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
I hear what you're saying Bifster. But it just makes me feel like I'm being demonised and blamed for all things racist and sexist. I find it quite an insulting and divisive description to be honest.
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I know what you mean, but we do live in a white patriarchy so just take that and glow inwardly🤣🤣
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
I hear what you're saying Bifster. But it just makes me feel like I'm being demonised and blamed for all things racist and sexist. I find it quite an insulting and divisive description to be honest.
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I get that.... It isn't your fault or mine, but there's no question that white priviledge and male privilege exists and many of us benefit as a result. Unfortunately I'm not sure there is another way to describe it that saying it as it is and yep.... For many of us it's difficult to take on the chin.

I think the way white male privilege (not us personally) has oppressed women and other races though is probably far more insulting and divisive...
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I get that.... It isn't your fault or mine, but there's no question that white priviledge and male privilege exists and many of us benefit as a result. Unfortunately I'm not sure there is another way to describe it that saying it as it is and yep.... For many of us it's difficult to take on the chin.

I think the way white male privilege (not us personally) has oppressed women and other races though is probably far more insulting and divisive...
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The obvious example is Floyd's white mate who was with him when they were stopped for the counterfeit note. He's not been kneeled on, he's on bail and not dead.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I suspect other privileged white males would agree with you lol.

In all seriosness though, I think I might have agreed with you at one point, but in reality, I think most of us just don't get it and we struggle to come to terms with it being pointed out..It't difficult to stomach. I read somewhere recently that if reference to white privilege and or male privilege is something that triggers you, then you really need to take time out to reflect and work on yourself. Unfortunately most of us just froth at the mouth and go into tantrum mode instead.
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I don't think it is a case of people "not getting it". Let's leave the out and out racists (and AVFTT has a few) out of it for the moment. What I think causes a lot of the problems is that an awful lot of ordinary white people have lives that aren't all that great, and don't offer all that much hope of better. For them, being told all the time that they are privileged - and arrogant with it - just doesn't sit well with the reality that they know.

I think a lot of black activists fall into the same trap that the far left keeps stumbling into. For the latter, the trap is thinking that they alone have a monopoly on compassion. For the former, it is that they alone have a monopoly on suffering.

That is why BLM is so badly led, and will ultimately be counter-productive. It is almost impossible to expect working class whites to "own" the iniquities of the present. Trying to make them responsible for the sins of a long-gone past is absolutely futile, and completely distracts from the central issue.

Why it is that black people fare relatively badly is a multi-faceted and complex problem, which is in large part about structural prejudice but is compounded in some part by the way that some sections the black community - particularly in inner cities - choose to live their lives. Until the activists accept that, take some ownership of it and start to talk to other parts of the community (instead of lecturing them), they won't get anywhere.
 
Its about acknowledging the privilege you have, be it through education, class, race, etc and recognising the issues that others who do not have that privilege have.

We all tend to notice the things we are personally discriminated against for (accent, class, education, etc or in my case generally being a **) but don't tend to accept our privileges.
 
basilrobbie said:
I don't think it is a case of people "not getting it". Let's leave the out and out racists (and AVFTT has a few) out of it for the moment. What I think causes a lot of the problems is that an awful lot of ordinary white people have lives that aren't all that great, and don't offer all that much hope of better. For them, being told all the time that they are privileged - and arrogant with it - just doesn't sit well with the reality that they know.

I think a lot of black activists fall into the same trap that the far left keeps stumbling into. For the latter, the trap is thinking that they alone have a monopoly on compassion. For the former, it is that they alone have a monopoly on suffering.

That is why BLM is so badly led, and will ultimately be counter-productive. It is almost impossible to expect working class whites to "own" the iniquities of the present. Trying to make them responsible for the sins of a long-gone past is absolutely futile, and completely distracts from the central issue.

Why it is that black people fare relatively badly is a multi-faceted and complex problem, which is in large part about structural prejudice but is compounded in some part by the way that some sections the black community - particularly in inner cities - choose to live their lives. Until the activists accept that, take some ownership of it and start to talk to other parts of the community (instead of lecturing them), they won't get anywhere.
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In summary 'yeah the black people have had it rough but they don't help themselves with their behaviour'?
 
Recidivist3 said:
They should all go back to where they come from shouldn’t they, the brown ones too, hey 👍
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Just to be clear, I have a black sister in law, two black nephews, in my business, my senior guy was black and remains a close friend. I also worked in both Moss Side and Brixton, so don’t accuse me of being racist. I probably know more about blacks than you do.
 
basilrobbie said:
I don't think it is a case of people "not getting it". Let's leave the out and out racists (and AVFTT has a few) out of it for the moment. What I think causes a lot of the problems is that an awful lot of ordinary white people have lives that aren't all that great, and don't offer all that much hope of better. For them, being told all the time that they are privileged - and arrogant with it - just doesn't sit well with the reality that they know.
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So that would be a case of them "Not Getting It" then surely ? I mean if you are completely misunderstanding what "White Privilege" or "Male Privilege" actually means, how else could you describe it?

basilrobbie said:
I think a lot of black activists fall into the same trap that the far left keeps stumbling into. For the latter, the trap is thinking that they alone have a monopoly on compassion. For the former, it is that they alone have a monopoly on suffering.

That is why BLM is so badly led, and will ultimately be counter-productive. It is almost impossible to expect working class whites to "own" the iniquities of the present. Trying to make them responsible for the sins of a long-gone past is absolutely futile, and completely distracts from the central issue.
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I'm not sure I see that to be honest Robbie, in fact what I hear from most people on the left and most Black activists is that they struggle to understand quite how white working class men, who in many respects have most in common with their cause / struggle are often the section of society who oppose them most vehemently. So they are very well aware that they definitely do not have a monopoly on suffering, but they certainly do have a monopoly on skin colour based prejudice, which is essentially what "White Privilege" is about..... "Class or Social Privilege" is a different matter entirely.

Again, this is why I think people completely miss the point... "I'm white and I suffer too" does not mean that White Privilege does not exist....Broadly speaking, White People do not suffer as a consequence of being White, simple as that.


basilrobbie said:
Why it is that black people fare relatively badly is a multi-faceted and complex problem, which is in large part about structural prejudice but is compounded in some part by the way that some sections the black community - particularly in inner cities - choose to live their lives. Until the activists accept that, take some ownership of it and start to talk to other parts of the community (instead of lecturing them), they won't get anywhere.
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I'm sure it may be a multi-faceted problem, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the existence or not of "White Privilege", not unless "You Don't Get It", which I really don't think many people do.

This short clip is probably worth a watch regarding your reference to "Some sections of the Black Community"... I think the point being that it is not the fact that someone is Black that makes them predisposed to a particular lifestyle choice and I doubt we would ever even think of making reference to "some sections of the white community" or expecting white people to "take some ownership". I think that in itself shows just how deeply routed this white privilege thing is... We say these things without the slightest thought and the very thought that white people could possibly be grouped together as a collective rather than the individuals we are seems absurd.

 
That must piss you off completely, listening to their black lies all day, every day, Mates

the some of my best friends are black defence writ large

you are a little white Englander at heart but you haven’t got the balls to admit it
 
Matesrates said:
Just to be clear, I have a black sister in law, two black nephews, in my business, my senior guy was black and remains a close friend. I also worked in both Moss Side and Brixton, so don’t accuse me of being racist. I probably know more about blacks than you do.
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Is it 1975?? Oh my days.
 
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