Andrew Marr v Nicola Sturgeon

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1950`spoolfan

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Anyone watch this interview?

AM a Scot himself absolutely tore her to shreds. Showing that in each of the last four weeks despite her claims to the contrary figures for deaths in Scotland are worse per capita than in England.

That people in Scotland have been returned to care homes untested.
That despite her saying 5 years ago that she should be judged on the narrowing the gap in education between the most and least privileged but the gap has actually got worse.

That her promise that Scottish independence will be assured if they vote for the Scot Nats at their next election was completely groundless as she does not have the power to do that.

She also was shown to have lied about when she was aware of the claims concerning Alex Salmond`s behaviour.

She was shown to basically be lying and making false claims and failing on many crucial issues and I just hope many Scots were watching and learning.
 
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1950`spoolfan said:
Anyone watch this interview?

AM a Scot himself absolutely tore her to shreds. Showing that in each of the last four weeks despite her claims to the contrary figures for deaths in Scotland are worse per capita than in England.

That people in Scotland have been returned to care homes untested.
That despite her saying 5 years ago that she should be judged on the narrowing the gap in education between the best and worst but the gap has actually got worse.

That her promise that Scottish independence will be assured if they vote for the Scot Nats at their next election was completely groundless as she does not have the power to do that.

She also was shown to have lied about when she was aware of the claims concerning Alex Salmond`s behaviour.

She was shown to basically be lying and making false claims and failing on many crucial issues and I just hope many Scots were watching and learning.
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Have you ever listened to a Boris Johnson interview?
 
Krankie is a one trick pony who just goes on and on about independence. She is a total irrelevance to world politics and has proven over and over again that her only agenda is the opposite of what England wants. Laughable that without Englands money she wouldn't have the ability to operate Scotland in the way it does now. She couldn't sustain furlough or public services on the revenue Scotland generates and couldn't borrow based upon its international rating. Yet all she does is bang on about wanting independence. Its like a terminally ill patient wanting to disconnect the life support machine and go for a jog. Scotland needs to think long and hard about what it wants as the grass for them is certainly not greener.
 
Johnson being terrible does not mean that Sturgeon isn't terrible in different ways. The UK is cursed by an incompetent, dishonest, self serving and uninspiring political class. No doubt there are many decent back bench MPs from all the parties who serve their constituents well but the ones who climb the greasy pole tend to be woeful. The lack of quality we have is one of the reasons why i was so against Brexit, i felt the EU provided a safety net to limit the damage these dangerous clowns can do.

Nothing to stop them causing complete misery, mayhem and madness now.
 
I would gladly give them independence on condition they repay all the money that we as taxpayers have given to Scotland in the last 250 years.

With interest.
 
911_Kirky said:
It comes across abundantly clear that she hates us!

Let them have independence...... Then we can, for once, see who props who up financially and she can finally shut her bloody whining mouth!
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By us if you mean the South East of England (excluding most of London) homeland of the Conservative party and it's infatuation with Eton old boys, then i don't really see myself as being in that version of us.

As for giving Scotland independence i don't really know if it is Westminsters to give, if the majority of Scottish people want it then it is theirs to take.

In my opinion if the UK is strong and operating successfully and equitably most Scottish people would want to remain part of it.
 
She's a complete sham. Her handling of the pandemic is worse than that in England. Her running of Scotland is all smoke and mirrors, with Westminster picking up the tab for her overspending. She has only one aim and that is to be the leader of an independent Scotland, but independence would be like voluntary suicide for the Jocks.
 
They have free prescriptions, and free university education for their own so someone us doing something right.
Saying that, she was a disgrace for her Blackpool covid comments.
 
GJJW said:
They have free prescriptions, and free university education for their own so someone is doing something right.
Saying that, she was a disgrace for her Blackpool covid comments.
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Westminster pays the bills for Scotland's overspending on education, free prescriptions, social care etc. The "someone doing something right" is you and me and other taxpayers bailing out the Scots. If they proceed with their incessant demand for independence they're in for one massive shock.
 
tangerinenotorange said:
Westminster picks up the tab for Scotland's overspending on education, free prescriptions, social care etc. The "someone doing something right" is you and me and other taxpayers bailing out the Scots. If they proceed with their incessant demand for independence they're in for one massive shock.
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Yes, but someone at their end has persuaded us (or the powers that be) to pay off it. Either very good negotiating on their part or very naive of us.
 
gjr69 said:
By us if you mean the South East of England (excluding most of London) homeland of the Conservative party and it's infatuation with Eton old boys, then i don't really see myself as being in that version of us.

As for giving Scotland independence i don't really know if it is Westminsters to give, if the majority of Scottish people want it then it is theirs to take.

In my opinion if the UK is strong and operating successfully and equitably most Scottish people would want to remain part of it.
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I agree with what you say. But Surgeon is hell bent on divide
 
GJJW said:
Yes, but someone at their end has persuaded us (or the powers that be) to pay off it. Either very good negotiating on their part or very naive of us.
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www.spectator.co.uk

Can Scotland afford independence?

How would an independent Scotland have fared during the pandemic? We found out this week on the annual release of Gers, which adds up all Scottish spending and taxes and states the size of the gap. This year it’s estimated at about 27 per cent of GDP, according to the Institute for Fiscal...
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Part of the Barnet formula where we give them money. Times up I'm afraid, if Scotland and Wales think they can survive without us, cut them lose. England will thrive and recover quickly from Covid, not sure either of the other home nations will. Either get on board and go forward as a united kingdom or fuck off but don't come back with your hands out when the EU tell you they have enough third world countries thanks.
 
GJJW said:
Yes, but someone at their end has persuaded us (or the powers that be) to pay off it. Either very good negotiating on their part or very naive of us.
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We foolishly agreed to the Barnett formula of funding. The result, according to the Treasury's country and regional analysis report (CRA), is that spend per head on public services was £11,566 in Scotland, compared to a UK average of £9,895, a difference of £1,671.
 
Bob Hatton said:
www.spectator.co.uk

Can Scotland afford independence?

How would an independent Scotland have fared during the pandemic? We found out this week on the annual release of Gers, which adds up all Scottish spending and taxes and states the size of the gap. This year it’s estimated at about 27 per cent of GDP, according to the Institute for Fiscal...
www.spectator.co.uk www.spectator.co.uk
Part of the Barnet formula where we give them money. Times up I'm afraid, if Scotland and Wales think they can survive without us, cut them lose. England will thrive and recover quickly from Covid, not sure either of the other home nations will. Either get on board and go forward as a united kingdom or fuck off but don't come back with your hands out when the EU tell you they have enough third world countries thanks.
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I've got family in Scone and they dont want independence. They have no idea why any Scot would. Thry were also under the impression the independence vote was once in a lifetime. Is Sturgeon just gonna keep on asking for votes until she gets what she wants?
 
Anyone would think those of us in Scotland don’t pay the same taxes as the rest of the UK. Funny how it is now English taxes but it was UK oil that kept us afloat for 30 odd years .
I too wish she would get in with running a competent government and fixing the debacle that former world class education the Scottish Schools have become, but the anti Scottish hysteria in this thread sickens me.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Anyone would think those of us in Scotland don’t pay the same taxes as the rest of the UK. Funny how it is now English taxes but it was UK oil that kept us afloat for 30 odd years .
I too wish she would get in with running a competent government and fixing the debacle that former world class education the Scottish Schools have become, but the anti Scottish hysteria in this thread sickens me.
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What do Scots expect from English people when all we see is anti English rhetoric from the SNP and its leader?
Plus every pound of Scottish budget us subsidised by English taxpayers in order that Scotland can operate as it does.
Sorry but you can't expect us to just turn the other cheek when all we hear is about how much you want to be independent
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Anyone would think those of us in Scotland don’t pay the same taxes as the rest of the UK. Funny how it is now English taxes but it was UK oil that kept us afloat for 30 odd years .
I too wish she would get in with running a competent government and fixing the debacle that former world class education the Scottish Schools have become, but the anti Scottish hysteria in this thread sickens me.
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How do you think an independence vote would pan out at the moment pal? My relatives up there cant understand the calls for it.
 
GJJW said:
Tbf, that's just a leader and a party. Probably less than 50 people!
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This seems like a classic case of divide and conquer, politicians know that so many people love to rally to a flag and be a part of them against us. Truth is most normal Scottish or English people would have next to nothing in common with Johnson or Sturgeon but would all happily have a few pints and watch a match together in the pub.

The sooner we wake up to this the better world we will create for ourselves, stick all the power seekers together on a desolate island and let them go on their ego trips while the rest of us get on with normal living.
 
gjr69 said:
This seems like a classic case of divide and conquer, politicians know that so many people love to rally to a flag and be a part of them against us. Truth is most normal Scottish or English people would have next to nothing in common with Johnson or Sturgeon but would all happily have a few pints and watch a match together in the pub.

The sooner we wake up to this the better world we will create for ourselves, stick all the power seekers together on a desolate island and let them go on their ego trips while the rest of us get on with normal living.
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Exactly let's all stick together and go forward as a United Kingdom. Brilliant people all over the 4 nations apart from in their governments.
 
You can see from this thread that the majority who defend her are from the left the irony that the SNP has basically shut down the Labour party north of the border and maybe if they got their fingers out of their backsides they might win a few seats more up there and they might get back in power.
Even the Conservatives have more Scottish Mp's FFS.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
I too wish she would get in with running a competent government and fixing the debacle that former world class education the Scottish Schools have become, but the anti Scottish hysteria in this thread sickens me.
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I don't believe there is much anti-Scottish feeling, more a sense of surprise that Scots seem blind to the economic and social disaster awaiting their country if it follows the incompetent First Minister's independence obsession.
 
Bob Hatton said:
The SNP is like UKIP single policy party and they whip up people to further their own party and not the greater good. We should be the United Kingdom
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Correct and when you ask the SNP about currency, monarchy and security they haven't an answer for.
Stick with the UK keep the pound Queen head of state and have protection from our joint armies.
 
tangerinenotorange said:
I don't believe there is much anti-Scottish feeling, more a sense of surprise that Scots seem blind to the economic and social disaster awaiting their country if it follows the incompetent First Minister's independence obsession.
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Correct, pulling out of an established union with your nearest neighbours to go it alone would appear to be economic suicide.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Anyone would think those of us in Scotland don’t pay the same taxes as the rest of the UK. Funny how it is now English taxes but it was UK oil that kept us afloat for 30 odd years .
I too wish she would get in with running a competent government and fixing the debacle that former world class education the Scottish Schools have become, but the anti Scottish hysteria in this thread sickens me.
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I am certainly not anti Scottish in general ,quite the reverse I think we are much better staying together and working together as a UK family.

The problem is that Sturgeon and the Scot Nats seem to despise us which sadly is then inevitably reciprocated down here.

According to current polls the majority of Scots now seem to support the separatists view.I just hope they really understand what their leaders would lead them into and that Sturgeon is far from the wise competent leader that many seem to think as Andrew Marr shed further light on this morning.

The old saying "united we stand divided we fall "seems relevant against what the Scot Nats. endlessly obsess about at the expense of all the damage they could cause and the widespread failings of their current governance in Scotland.
 
Can anyone actually give a credible answer to the question - When has Nicola Sturgeon ever expressed hate against the English?

Whereas Boris Johnson was editor of a magazine which called the Scots a verminous race, polluting our stock and argued for extermination-all of which could truly be considered as hate speech.
 
I do not live in Scotland, so its not my place to tell the scots how they should run their own country, if they want to take back control of their money, laws and borders, that,s for them to decide, not me or anyone else
What does confuse me is, If Sturgeon is as dangerous and as bad as the non- scots make her out to be, then how come the majority of the scottish electorate keep voting for her ?
 
We have been working together since the act of Union in 1707,a little while before Boris and Nicola came to power.

I am not a huge fan of either of them but think that we should stay and co-operate together long after they`re both gone,just as we have done long before they arrived.

Petty character assassinations are small minded and not what this debate should be based on.My comments on NS are only made to perhaps open the eyes of those who dote on her every,often misguided words and grasp the reality.
 
catinstalbans said:
Can anyone actually give a credible answer to the question - When has Nicola Sturgeon ever expressed hate against the English? Whereas Boris Johnson was editor of a magazine which called the Scots a verminous race, polluting our stock and argued for extermination-all of which could truly be considered as hate speech.
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catinstalbans said:
Have you ever listened to a Boris Johnson interview?
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Keep going Cat. The thread isn't about Boris Johnson but don't let that stop your rants.
 
catinstalbans said:
Can anyone actually give a credible answer to the question - When has Nicola Sturgeon ever expressed hate against the English?

Whereas Boris Johnson was editor of a magazine which called the Scots a verminous race, polluting our stock and argued for extermination-all of which could truly be considered as hate speech.
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Scottish Lib-Dem leader for a start.

www.express.co.uk

Nicola Sturgeon accused of being 'anti-English' in COVID border battle

NICOLA STURGEON has come under fire for her "anti-English rhetoric" after she claimed travellers from elsewhere led to the spike in coronavirus cases in Scotland.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
 
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