Angela Rayner

Goforgoal said:
I will accept your points and questions if you will answer just one for me. Have the people you use as examples never done those things before? And if the answer is yes, how come we don’t have the same queues permanently? Presumably those people need roughly the same amount of fuel week in week out? Sorry I got carried away, that is three questions and I only asked for one.
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I’m not suggesting people haven’t changed their behaviour. They clearly have. The issue is whether they are justified in doing so. I think the vast majority are, whereas some people have decided to go all judgmental and claim some sort of moral high ground by dismissing everyone in a queue as “a panic buyer”.

We’ve even had posters admitting they’ve just filled up their car in one breath and in the next accusing other people who are doing the same of some sort of moral failure. We’ve also got posters virtue signalling about how they’ve got a quarter of a tank left but don’t intend to fill up “just yet”. So when they do, does that make them a “panic buyer”? Or have they somehow justified their behaviour in their own mind. And told themselves their purchase is legitimate?

What’s that old saying about motes, planks and eyes?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I’m not suggesting people haven’t changed their behaviour. They clearly have. The issue is whether they are justified in doing so. I think the vast majority are, whereas some people have decided to go all judgmental and claim some sort of moral high ground by dismissing everyone in a queue as “a panic buyer”.

We’ve even had posters admitting they’ve just filled up their car in one breath and in the next accusing other people who are doing the same of some sort of moral failure. We’ve also got posters virtue signalling about how they’ve got a quarter of a tank left but don’t intend to fill up “just yet”. So when they do, does that make them a “panic buyer”? Or have they somehow justified their behaviour in their own mind. And told themselves their purchase is legitimate?

What’s that old saying about motes, planks and eyes?
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I don’t think anyone is suggesting everyone is panic buying. What I and, I think, most sensible people are saying is that a great number of people are buying far more than they need, why? If everyone bought their usual amount at their usual time there wouldn’t be any bigger queues than normal. It was just the same early in the pandemic with bog rolls, I have read lots of things about Covid 19 but nowhere have I read it gives you the tom tits. Yet people were fighting, in some cases physically, over bog rolls, why? For the very same reason as the fuel, they see a queue for something assume ther is a shortage join the queue and create same shortage. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
Goforgoal said:
I don’t think anyone is suggesting everyone is panic buying. What I and, I think, most sensible people are saying is that a great number of people are buying far more than they need, why? If everyone bought their usual amount at their usual time there wouldn’t be any bigger queues than normal. It was just the same early in the pandemic with bog rolls, I have read lots of things about Covid 19 but nowhere have I read it gives you the tom tits. Yet people were fighting, in some cases physically, over bog rolls, why? For the very same reason as the fuel, they see a queue for something assume ther is a shortage join the queue and create same shortage. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Seems to me that the abuse is pretty indiscriminate and is directed at everyone in the queue. Including the people in the queue in front and behind the person doing the posting! Pretty much everyone buying appears to have justified their purchasing decision and who are we to judge? For instance should be people be filling up so they can drive to Hull tonight? That petrol could have gone to a nurse or doctor. Fair or not? Or none of our business?

And anyway “panic buying” is a symptom of the crisis; not the cause. The cause is the shortage of drivers. Blaming the customers is a bit like blaming your sneeze for causing your cold in the first place. And threads about Angela Rayner using the S word is just an attempt to distract you from the fact you’ve got a cold.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Seems to me that the abuse is pretty indiscriminate and is directed at everyone in the queue. Including the people in the queue in front and behind the person doing the posting! Pretty much everyone buying appears to have justified their purchasing decision and who are we to judge? For instance should be people be filling up so they can drive to Hull tonight? That petrol could have gone to a nurse or doctor. Fair or not? Or none of our business?

And anyway “panic buying” is a symptom of the crisis; not the cause. The cause is the shortage of drivers. Blaming the customers is a bit like blaming your sneeze for causing your cold in the first place. And threads about Angela Rayner using the S word is just an attempt to distract you from the fact you’ve got a cold.
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Until I retired some years ago, I spent 55 years working in transport, from driver to management and latterly running my own transport business. I can say without fear of contradiction during the whole of that time there was a shortage of drivers. At the time of my retirement 10 years ago the shortage was around 50,000 , so vacancies in driving is nothing new. If as some would have you think the shortage is due to Brexit/ Pandemic, why has this not come to the fore during the last 18 months. There have been slight shortages yes, but not much more than normal, apart from the early days of the pandemic when people were yet again panic buying. No the shortage has recently been pounced on as yet another stick for the remoaners to beat brexit with. The shortage is, and always has been, because it is a difficult, dangerous job with absolutely no respect and not much reward. Older drivers are retiring and young people don’t want to do it, I don’t actually blame them. Nights away from home hours spent in traffic jams, sometimes caused by accidents, sometimes by knobheads sitting in the road. Virtually everything you or anyone else buys has been transported by road somewhere along the line. When conditions and wages improve, so the shortage will decline, until such time if people stop hoarding and panic buying things will run much more smoothly.
 
Goforgoal said:
I don’t think anyone is suggesting everyone is panic buying. What I and, I think, most sensible people are saying is that a great number of people are buying far more than they need, why? If everyone bought their usual amount at their usual time there wouldn’t be any bigger queues than normal. It was just the same early in the pandemic with bog rolls, I have read lots of things about Covid 19 but nowhere have I read it gives you the tom tits. Yet people were fighting, in some cases physically, over bog rolls, why? For the very same reason as the fuel, they see a queue for something assume ther is a shortage join the queue and create same shortage. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
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A side effect for many was Tom tits to be fair, but the alleged shortage was one in Australia and people panicked it would be the same here.
 
Wizaard said:
A side effect for many was Tom tits to be fair, but the alleged shortage was one in Australia and people panicked it would be the same here.
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Unnecessary 90% of toilet tissue is produced in this country. We were never going to run out unless we had an almighty countrywide outbreak of diarrhoea, or people panic bought bog rolls.🤣🤣
 
SeasideTerrier said:
Or maybe, taking a long view in that the tram will provide transport so the housing will follow
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Trams/light rail is the transport of the future. Linking the train station to the existing tram system makes sense. Every other city with a tramway in Europe has a stop nr the main railway station. Preston Trampower project will be opening a short demonstration line next year hoping to attract private investors etc, Over the last decade or so France has had 25 new tramway systems created. Trams to Lytham next maybe?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Seems to me that the abuse is pretty indiscriminate and is directed at everyone in the queue. Including the people in the queue in front and behind the person doing the posting! Pretty much everyone buying appears to have justified their purchasing decision and who are we to judge? For instance should be people be filling up so they can drive to Hull tonight? That petrol could have gone to a nurse or doctor. Fair or not? Or none of our business?

And anyway “panic buying” is a symptom of the crisis; not the cause. The cause is the shortage of drivers. Blaming the customers is a bit like blaming your sneeze for causing your cold in the first place. And threads about Angela Rayner using the S word is just an attempt to distract you from the fact you’ve got a cold.
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The cause mate is the media....pure and simple. There wasn’t a sudden drop in Drivers in the last 2 weeks Mex and everything was Joe Cool 2 weeks ago
 
Bloodtangerine said:
The cause mate is the media....pure and simple. There wasn’t a sudden drop in Drivers in the last 2 weeks Mex and everything was Joe Cool 2 weeks ago
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Nah. Don’t buy that. It’s just a politer version of the “Media Filth” conspiracy theory. And as Tangerinemoss has said, there were petrol shortages before it was ever reported in the media. I’m not sure but I suspect the real chronology was something like this.

Shortages of petrol at stations start to develop. Some people notice this.

Some major suppliers (can’t recall - was it Tesco?) report shortages at some outlets.

BP announces its closing some stations.

The media does it’s job and reports the news.

People decide they need to take steps to ensure they can get to work, hospital appointments, school, and away football matches in Hull. This is described as panic buying rather than a perfectly rational buying decision. Selfish and stupid. Selfish maybe but certainly not stupid if you’re reliant on your car/vanfor work as most people are these days.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Nah. Don’t buy that. It’s just a politer version of the “Media Filth” conspiracy theory. And as Tangerinemoss has said, there were petrol shortages before it was ever reported in the media. I’m not sure but I suspect the real chronology was something like this.

Shortages of petrol at stations start to develop. Some people notice this.

Some major suppliers (can’t recall - was it Tesco?) report shortages at some outlets.

BP announces its closing some stations.

The media does it’s job and reports the news.

People decide they need to take steps to ensure they can get to work, hospital appointments, school, and away football matches in Hull. This is described as panic buying rather than a perfectly rational buying decision. Selfish and stupid. Selfish maybe but certainly not stupid if you’re reliant on your car/vanfor work as most people are these days.
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I agree with you as regards labelling people “panic buyers”. I had the same conversation with a chap whilst we were filling up several Jerry cans each this morning 👍
 
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