Angela Rayner

Our Prime Minister is an utter waste of time politicans are generally a corrupt bunch whose
main aim is bettering themselves and not looking after the interests of the people.
 
This woman could end up representing the UK on the international stage you cannot be serious.
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Kier Startled does’nt really want her in his team but has been railroaded by Momentum and the unions into keeping her on. If she auditioned for a tv role as a fishwife she would fit the part perfectly.
On the plus side she's not calling anyone a 'fishwife' on an obscure football message board.
 
A fine example of why the Labour party are becoming increasingly irrelevant. The Labour party most certainly including the deputy should be concentrating on policy and encouraging the electorate to vote for them. Yet Raynor continues with Starmers policy of attacking the tories and their sleaze (yes it is right to do so but it is now a well worn path that has got them nowhere) They now need to use their brains and offer us a more attractive alternative through well thought out policies that appeal to a large section of society. I do not remember this woman fighting against the wicked anti-semitism that dogged this once proud party or attack the momentum brownshirts who attacked Jewish labour mps -hypocrisy in the extreme.
 
A fine example of why the Labour party are becoming increasingly irrelevant. The Labour party most certainly including the deputy should be concentrating on policy and encouraging the electorate to vote for them. Yet Raynor continues with Starmers policy of attacking the tories and their sleaze (yes it is right to do so but it is now a well worn path that has got them nowhere) They now need to use their brains and offer us a more attractive alternative through well thought out policies that appeal to a large section of society. I do not remember this woman fighting against the wicked anti-semitism that dogged this once proud party or attack the momentum brownshirts who attacked Jewish labour mps -hypocrisy in the extreme.
Bang on fella. The Labour Party must rise above the pathetic attack on personality and educational background... it might appeal to staunch supporters ( plenty on here) but it will not persuade middle ground voters.... they have to move on from their “ we know best, you must be thick for the way you’ve previously voted” mantra. They must truly value voters who have abandoned them. We can all see how incompetent the Tories appear to be at times but it takes one hell of an incompetent opposition to continually allow them a free hit at the polls!
 
they have to move on from their “ we know best, you must be thick for the way you’ve previously voted” mantra. They must truly value voters who have abandoned them. We can all see how incompetent the Tories appear to be at times but it takes one hell of an incompetent opposition to continually allow them a free hit at the polls!
This hits the nail on the head. For so long the Labour party which i once thought the world off has been taken over by second rate politicians , sometimes with hate in their heart such as Raynor, corbyn, abbott and Mcdonnell. They have little idea of their constituents concerns and needs and care even less. They think they know best when they actually really do not.
 
Kier Startled does’nt really want her in his team but has been railroaded by Momentum and the unions into keeping her on. If she auditioned for a tv role as a fishwife she would fit the part perfectly.
I do not think he can sack her, as she was elected to the post of deputy?
 
The most depresing thing is the actions of the Labour council in Blackpool wasting money
on bringing the tramway back up Talbot Road when that money could be better spent
improving the housing stock.
 
Has she been on the sauce worked plenty of these conferences in years gone by they can shift some bloody booze.

We have a demic of a PM been through the worst pandemic in a life time yet the Tories are still 9 points ahead in the opinion polls tells you everything you need to know about the Labour party.

Give me strength the quicker we move over to PR the better.
 
95BC73BD-4A5E-4A38-8E42-996E96FB907D.jpegShe sounds like she is speaking from the heart to me, with all the failings of this Government and the continued failing of The North in particular, cutting the Universal Credit uplift at the same time as raising tax burden on those least able to afford it, she has every right to be as angry as us all.

Good for her!
 
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OMFG - A WORKING CLASS WOMAN!!!!

HOW DARE SHE BE STRAIGHT TALKING!!!!


I can't be arsed with some kind of weird google through old threads because that's the preserve of strange people but I would bet a penny to a pound that some of the people who slate her have, at some point or other praised some tory bloke for 'telling it as it is' or defending him with a phrase like 'the left just can't stand the truth being spoken' or something.

If it was some oily careerist business type laying into people with no right to reply (single mums/migrants/whatever) then no one would bat an eyelid and anyone who did would be 'a wokist snowflake'

How dare a working class woman pick on such poor defenceless mites as the Tory party?
 
Kier Startled does’nt really want her in his team but has been railroaded by Momentum and the unions into keeping her on. If she auditioned for a tv role as a fishwife she would fit the part perfectly.
If you actually understood the things you post about you wouldn't post such ignorant nonsense.
 
Truly shocking comments from Ms Rayner.

The next thing you know she’ll be singing about scum from a central Lancs town and advocating extreme violence with your father’s gun.

Taking my lead from the throwing missiles thread I think anyone using the S word should face a
Life ban from politics AND football.
 
OMFG - A WORKING CLASS WOMAN!!!!

HOW DARE SHE BE STRAIGHT TALKING!!!!


I can't be arsed with some kind of weird google through old threads because that's the preserve of strange people but I would bet a penny to a pound that some of the people who slate her have, at some point or other praised some tory bloke for 'telling it as it is' or defending him with a phrase like 'the left just can't stand the truth being spoken' or something.

If it was some oily careerist business type laying into people with no right to reply (single mums/migrants/whatever) then no one would bat an eyelid and anyone who did would be 'a wokist snowflake'

How dare a working class woman pick on such poor defenceless mites as the Tory party?
The problem is that this brain-dead tirade doesn't do working-class women any favours. It reinforces Southern middle-class stereotypes about the Northern working-class and will only hurt the Labour Party.

It's great that someone like Rayner can get to the position in public life that she has. It's not great that she can't control herself enough to maximise that opportunity for herself or her ideas.
 
The problem is that this brain-dead tirade doesn't do working-class women any favours. It reinforces Southern middle-class stereotypes about the Northern working-class and will only hurt the Labour Party.

It's great that someone like Rayner can get to the position in public life that she has. It's not great that she can't control herself enough to maximise that opportunity for herself or her ideas.

Yes, to an extent, it's not exactly a nuanced speech, I appreciate that, but equally we're stuck with those recycled stereotypes until someone breaks them. I think, it is, to an extent a case of women (and especially working class ones) should behave in a certain way and that way should not be undignified. Had it been, I dunno, Javid or Gove saying 'this opposition of loony lefties with their bleeding heart stupidity' and a load of young tories boorishly cheering, I don't think anyone would make a thing of it.

Rayner is precisely what Labour need. Someone with identity and an actually bona fide life story that isn't 'so I went to University and I found Marx on my gap year yeah? Then, I realised that wouldn't get me anywhere so I watered down my convictions until I got to a point where I could be a credible politician. So I know what life is like for people you see. What you need is a .03% lower cut in benefits than the mean old Tories. Vote labour!'
 
Truly shocking comments from Ms Rayner.

The next thing you know she’ll be singing about scum from a central Lancs town and advocating extreme violence with your father’s gun.

Taking my lead from the throwing missiles thread I think anyone using the S word should face a
Life ban from politics AND football.
Angela Raynor is the deputy leader of the Labour party, as such it is her responsibility to provide leadership to a party that has become increasingly irrelevant to the electorate. Many including myself are crying out for political change and would like to see once again a strong Labour party capable of developing strong policies that benefit many in society, and therefore have a realistic chance of winning elections. The hard left deeply damaged the party but advances cannot be made if all the party are capable of is abuse ( even if some is correct). What she should be shouting about is clear well thought ideas that can have a positive impact on lives. This is why so many of us get frustrated.
 
I read somewhere that she was brought up in an abusive family, poor woman, so she's done well to climb the ladder to where she is. However, it seems she is now the abuser.
 
Rough as. Obviously the usual mob bring Boris into the conversation as a deflection policy. Boris’s Kermit speech with the Miss Piggy line, probably ad-libbed when he realised no one understood it, shows that he has like ability as you can’t watch it and dislike him you just think Oh Boris. Also good to see Matt Hancock on the recovery trail, anyone seen the video?, backslapping with the general public, element of Partridge about it but heartwarming nevertheless.
 
Yes, to an extent, it's not exactly a nuanced speech, I appreciate that, but equally we're stuck with those recycled stereotypes until someone breaks them. I think, it is, to an extent a case of women (and especially working class ones) should behave in a certain way and that way should not be undignified. Had it been, I dunno, Javid or Gove saying 'this opposition of loony lefties with their bleeding heart stupidity' and a load of young tories boorishly cheering, I don't think anyone would make a thing of it.

Rayner is precisely what Labour need. Someone with identity and an actually bona fide life story that isn't 'so I went to University and I found Marx on my gap year yeah? Then, I realised that wouldn't get me anywhere so I watered down my convictions until I got to a point where I could be a credible politician. So I know what life is like for people you see. What you need is a .03% lower cut in benefits than the mean old Tories. Vote labour!'
I'm not sure 'dignified silence' is the stereotype here... I think it's more of the 'fishwife' variety. So Rayner doesn't do the North, the working class or women any favours by basically acting like a fishwife.

I doubt you - or anyone on this board - calls people 'scum' in a professional capacity. In fact, most people probably wouldn't want to work with a colleague who acted like that. Given the rarefied atmosphere that Rayner operates in, the fact that she doesn't get this shows how unsuited she is for her position.
 
I'm not sure 'dignified silence' is the stereotype here... I think it's more of the 'fishwife' variety. So Rayner doesn't do the North, the working class or women any favours by basically acting like a fishwife.

I doubt you - or anyone on this board - calls people 'scum' in a professional capacity. In fact, most people probably wouldn't want to work with a colleague who acted like that. Given the rarefied atmosphere that Rayner operates in, the fact that she doesn't get this shows how unsuited she is for her position.
That's the point. It's all about polite society semantics. An oily business man saying "single mothers are feckless and a drain on our society" is fine. Even though it's just polite code for "thick selfish slags"

Calling the left "naive,self obsessed wokists with a nostalgic self delusional yearning for the 1970s and a taste for nausiatingly self gratifying morality" is perfectly fine. Because it's polite. Even though it's insulting.

If Rees Mogg has a place in politics and in high office. then I'm all for fish wives having one too. Fish wives are people too.

Nb. I made those quotes up. But they sound fairly consistent with stuff people say.

Fuck em Ang. Don't change.
 
Clearly made comments knowing they would cause an uproar to appeal to the left of the party knowing that Starmer would be asked to condemn her comments (which he has done) therefore further driving a wedge between both Starmer and Rayner.
She clearly has her sights on the leadership, Starmer needs a good conference to press on this year, because if he doesn’t there will be a leadership challenge at some point.
Problem is, as labour and particularly their Northern MP’s seems to forget is when they label the Tory politicians scum etc, they are lambasting the people in the old red wall who voted for them, giving the tories another open goal. They never learn
 
Now what shall we do with the Herrings heads?
What shall we do with the herrings heads?
We'll make them into loaves of bread.
Herrings Heads, Loaves of Bread and all sorts of things.
Off all the fish that's in the sea,
The Herring is the fish for me,
Hey, falde re de ri do ro
Sing fal de re de ri de re.

The First verse of a fishwives song as they gutted herring.
 
There's an element of the critics who just hate women speaking at all, never mind speaking g their minds.

Women should be supportive and silent is the Tory MP staple.
 
Now what shall we do with the Herrings heads?
What shall we do with the herrings heads?
We'll make them into loaves of bread.
Herrings Heads, Loaves of Bread and all sorts of things.
Off all the fish that's in the sea,
The Herring is the fish for me,
Hey, falde re de ri do ro
Sing fal de re de ri de re.

The First verse of a fishwives song as they gutted herring.

That sounds like fishwives have contributed more to the wider world than the JRM has ever done to me.

A banger!
 
Clearly made comments knowing they would cause an uproar to appeal to the left of the party knowing that Starmer would be asked to condemn her comments (which he has done) therefore further driving a wedge between both Starmer and Rayner.
She clearly has her sights on the leadership, Starmer needs a good conference to press on this year, because if he doesn’t there will be a leadership challenge at some point.
Problem is, as labour and particularly their Northern MP’s seems to forget is when they label the Tory politicians scum etc, they are lambasting the people in the old red wall who voted for them, giving the tories another open goal. They never learn

Yes, to be fair, as much as I defended her above, this is probably little more than the same thing as Boris playing to the right of his party to undermine May.
 
Boris wrote in the Spectator in 1995 "Working class men are likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless & hopeless. And perhaps claim to suffer from low self-esteem, brought on by unemployment.”

Did he have a point?
 
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