Angela Rayner

Wizaard said:
There's an element of the critics who just hate women speaking at all, never mind speaking g their minds.

Women should be supportive and silent is the Tory MP staple.
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So all the “moaning” and “groaning” on here moaning about “ohh you can’t say your English any more or they send you to prison, whatever happened to free speech” types are up in arms about someone speaking their mind!

I reckon more people cheered than jeered when they read/heard about it!
 
Good for her, I say! We need someone to tell it how it is and what a complete mess the Buffoon and his mates are making of this country with their sheer incompetence!
 
Bottle said:
So all the “moaning” and “groaning” on here moaning about “ohh you can’t say your English any more or they send you to prison, whatever happened to free speech” types are up in arms about someone speaking their mind!

I reckon more people cheered than jeered when they read/heard about it!
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What I like is someone straight talking, calls a spade a spade, speaks their mind. That sort of person... Someone who goes in blazing from the hip, not some mealy mouthed script written nonsense that says nothing... People need proper passion and everyday words. (what? Angela Rayner said what?) ... It's disgusting when someone speaks their mind! Don't these people know they're politicians? We need more mealy mouthed spin and scripted, carefully measured words not passion and everyday language. I always said that!
 
I voted for Neil Kinnock and Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
I haven’t voted Labour since and have voted Tory once.

I am a genuine floater. I wouldn’t have voted Labour at anytime if this was the kind of speech being given at their conferences or conferences after parties.

Nothing to do with it being a female, obviously, or working class, obviously. But because it’s unprofessional, bitter, and uncouth to stand there as a representative of the higher echelons of any political party or business and fire off at the opposition or competition like this. Totally off putting.

As a floating voter wanting to return to my red roots it’s put me right off again. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact, the fact being they will not pull back the voters they need like this.

Before anyone asks me my opinion on Boris, it’s irrelevant as I haven’t voted for him either and we are discussing Angela Raynor here.
 
td53 said:
What I like is someone straight talking, calls a spade a spade, speaks their mind. That sort of person... Someone who goes in blazing from the hip, not some mealy mouthed script written nonsense that says nothing... People need proper passion and everyday words. (what? Angela Rayner said what?) ... It's disgusting when someone speaks their mind! Don't these people know they're politicians? We need more mealy mouthed spin and scripted, carefully measured words not passion and everyday language. I always said that!
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Well okay, but that's a dangerous game to play.

Presumably you'd be entirely happy to see Ms Rayner described as thick as pigs***, and whilst her describing Boris as "scum" will get little to no traction beyond Labour's hard left pointing out that the limit of her intellectual capacity is shouting scum at people who don't agree with her is likely to put off exactly the sort of floating voter that Labour needs to win back if they're ever to be in with a chance of forming a government.

Of course it gets worse, because once that accustion is out in the open voters might then start to look at certain other members on the opposition benches and notice a pattern emerging, at which point they might start to wonder if they really want the country to be governed by people who can't even speak in complete sentences.

Purely in the interests of plain speaking, which you are of course in favour of.
 
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td53 said:
What I like is someone straight talking, calls a spade a spade, speaks their mind. That sort of person... Someone who goes in blazing from the hip, not some mealy mouthed script written nonsense that says nothing... People need proper passion and everyday words. (what? Angela Rayner said what?) ... It's disgusting when someone speaks their mind! Don't these people know they're politicians? We need more mealy mouthed spin and scripted, carefully measured words not passion and everyday language. I always said that!
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Quite.

Cancelling snowflakes on the right. You can say what you like as long as I agree with it.

If not, go and live in Cuba
 
Bisphamtang said:
Suspect she was playing yo an audience of activists
This ranting from deputy PM is never going to win votes .As Layton said above they need to start appealing to everyday man or woman
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As a political neutral, I feel this is Labour’s problem. Senior members of the party playing to a particular group, to boost their chances of becoming party leader, rather than pulling together with a view to governing. The voting public won’t trust Labour until things change. In decades gone by, the opposition would be all over the current issues, but what we see again is Labour infighting. You could argue that the public vote for the least worst option, which is a sad state of affairs.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
As a political neutral, I feel this is Labour’s problem. Senior members of the party playing to a particular group, to boost their chances of becoming party leader, rather than pulling together with a view to governing. The voting public won’t trust Labour until things change. In decades gone by, the opposition would be all over the current issues, but what we see again is Labour infighting. You could argue that the public vote for the least worst option, which is a sad state of affairs.
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I genuinely think KS is trying to appeal to the voting public and is probably mortified by this.
It undermines what he is trying to achieve in a professional manner.
 
Ruperthoop said:
They now need to use their brains and offer us a more attractive alternative through well thought out policies that appeal to a large section of society
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That in itself is Labours problem, they just haven't the quality or brains to achieve that.

Love or hate the Tories, Rayners diatribe was disgusting and did herself or her Party no favours at all.
 
catinstalbans said:
The only constructive outcome for the country would be getting rid of this incompetent corrupt government.
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.......and bring in Labour ?
You are deluded if you think they will do any better.
In fact Starmer has lost the confidence of most of his party and even Corbyn says he has lost the plot.
You couldn’t make it up.
Anyway, you have school tomorrow so give us all a break and have an early night.
 
I used to think Prescott could sometimes be a bit of a clown as deputy leader, but he knew what was needed to get elected, knew how to bridge the union and political worlds and had some integrity. Sadly, I know of many long standing and hard working labour councillors and activists that have become disillusioned and squeezed out of the party by the metropolitan elite and the hard and nasty left of momentum. Raynor typifies that trend and unfortunately there are few capable and decent politicians left in the main parties.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
That in itself is Labours problem, they just haven't the quality or brains to achieve that.

Love or hate the Tories, Rayners diatribe was disgusting and did herself or her Party no favours at all.
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A Tory MP has apologised after making a sick joke about delivering a “bomb” to a Labour MP’s office.

James Gray admitted his comment on a Tory WhatsApp group was “foolish” as it emerged at the start of Labour’s party conference in Brighton.

His comments had targeted Labour party chairwoman Anneliese Dodds.

The conference is held next-door to the Grand Hotel, where an IRA bomb during the Tories’ 1984 conference killed five people.

According to the Mail on Sunday, Mr Gray replied to a comment on a WhatsApp group from fellow Conservative MP Rob Largan.

Mr Largan had said: “Does anybody know where Anneliese Dodds' Commons office is based? I need to deliver something to her office.”

Mr Gray replied: “A bomb, perhaps?”

After being contacted by the Mirror, Mr Gray confirmed he made the remarks saying: “This was a foolish remark made on a private What’s App and deleted almost immediately.
 
Bottle said:
A Tory MP has apologised after making a sick joke about delivering a “bomb” to a Labour MP’s office.

James Gray admitted his comment on a Tory WhatsApp group was “foolish” as it emerged at the start of Labour’s party conference in Brighton.

His comments had targeted Labour party chairwoman Anneliese Dodds.

The conference is held next-door to the Grand Hotel, where an IRA bomb during the Tories’ 1984 conference killed five people.

According to the Mail on Sunday, Mr Gray replied to a comment on a WhatsApp group from fellow Conservative MP Rob Largan.

Mr Largan had said: “Does anybody know where Anneliese Dodds' Commons office is based? I need to deliver something to her office.”

Mr Gray replied: “A bomb, perhaps?”

After being contacted by the Mirror, Mr Gray confirmed he made the remarks saying: “This was a foolish remark made on a private What’s App and deleted almost immediately.
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Likewise, a truly immature comment, and should be taken to task for making it.
 
Ghastly & shameful rhetoric.

Even worse was the pathetic sight of Starmer on the Marr show, obviously in disagreement, but lacking the balls to say other than ‘Not the words I would have used’.

What a soggy bottom….
 
Completely unacceptable for a leading politician to talk about other politicians like that. What kind of message does that send to young people in this country? That it’s ok to speak to others like that, and then get their noses broken.
 
td53 said:
What I like is someone straight talking, calls a spade a spade, speaks their mind. That sort of person... Someone who goes in blazing from the hip, not some mealy mouthed script written nonsense that says nothing... People need proper passion and everyday words. (what? Angela Rayner said what?) ... It's disgusting when someone speaks their mind! Don't these people know they're politicians? We need more mealy mouthed spin and scripted, carefully measured words not passion and everyday language. I always said that!
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Much as I agree with your sentiments here I don’t think you can just say anything in any manner just because you believe it to be true.
She could have made all her points in a much smarter and more effective way without overstepping the mark.
I don’t think she has done her political career or her cause any favours.
She should be OK for a place on Celebrity Goggle Box though if she loses her seat.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Well okay, but that's a dangerous game to play.

Presumably you'd be entirely happy to see Ms Rayner described as thick as pigs***, and whilst her describing Boris as "scum" will get little to no traction beyond Labour's hard left pointing out that the limit of her intellectual capacity is shouting scum at people who don't agree with her is likely to put off exactly the sort of floating voter that Labour needs to win back if they're ever to be in with a chance of forming a government.

Of course it gets worse, because once that accustion is out in the open voters might then start to look at certain other members on the opposition benches and notice a pattern emerging, at which point they might start to wonder if they really want the country to be governed by people who can't even speak in complete sentences.

Purely in the interests of plain speaking, which you are of course in favour of.
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I thought it was the right who are tortured by the woke lefty media. Ms Rayner won't have anything to worry about from that lot reporting negatively will they? What with all the media bias and that.

Of course the sort of sentence 'people might not want to be governed by the sort of people who can't speak in complete sentences' isn't entirely disdainful and aloof is it? Tories would never make insults. Not even deeply offensive class based slurs hidden by polite, educated language.

Just clearing that up. In the interests of plain speaking.
 
Bottle said:
A Tory MP has apologised after making a sick joke about delivering a “bomb” to a Labour MP’s office.

James Gray admitted his comment on a Tory WhatsApp group was “foolish” as it emerged at the start of Labour’s party conference in Brighton.

His comments had targeted Labour party chairwoman Anneliese Dodds.

The conference is held next-door to the Grand Hotel, where an IRA bomb during the Tories’ 1984 conference killed five people.

According to the Mail on Sunday, Mr Gray replied to a comment on a WhatsApp group from fellow Conservative MP Rob Largan.

Mr Largan had said: “Does anybody know where Anneliese Dodds' Commons office is based? I need to deliver something to her office.”

Mr Gray replied: “A bomb, perhaps?”

After being contacted by the Mirror, Mr Gray confirmed he made the remarks saying: “This was a foolish remark made on a private What’s App and deleted almost immediately.
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Born to rule, laugh it off with a bit of Latin.
 
AndrewDuncanSmith said:
The most depresing thing is the actions of the Labour council in Blackpool wasting money
on bringing the tramway back up Talbot Road when that money could be better spent
improving the housing stock.
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The money was a grant for the tram line not local council tax. But I agree with you waste of money.
 
Austerity was a very ruddy civilised affair. Good old Tories. Always got our interests at heart. Never looking out for themselves or their mates. That sort of thing. Always so polite.

That funny man in a top hat. He's terrifically polite. All those other chaps and chappesses who made loads of money out of the pandemic. Scrupulously polite. David Cameron. Terribly good table manners. His spoon in the trough so daintily. Holds his little finger out and everything.

That's the main thing.

Politeness.
 
Anyone would think all this sudden concern about the use of the S word is just a distraction from the massive crisis the country is facing in the next few days.

Just what is being done to ensure petrol is delivered to filling stations? So that doctors and nurses can get to hospitals. So that ambulances can run. So that carers can get to people who need palliative care at home. So food can be delivered to care homes. Aren’t these the important questions of the moment?

No. The important thing is that Angela Rayner used what is apparently now an inappropriate word for the cancel culture addicted, RW snowflakes.

Jeez. I hope no one pulls down a statue of an 18th century slave trader none of us have ever heard of. Then we’ll probably get so het up we won’t even notice that granny has died.
 
When the Tories slash the incomes of the poorest, push 2 million into using food banks, increase homelessness by 4000%, award contracts to party donors, persecute the disabled and use dog whistle racism on a repeated basis that is politics. Calling them out as scum is unacceptable.
Think of the abusive terms used against extinction rebellion, Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott, refugees and the like.
We still have not had one Tory on this site admit that Boris Johnson was racist when he used the term Picanninnies. They should seriously look at their own standards.
Which is worse taking £20 a week from the poorest in society or calling a corrupt group of politicians scum?
 
The reason the stories are getting away with such a shite overall performance is the lack of a credible opposition. The ghost of Jeremy still haunts the party and until that is exorcised they will never get back in. Raynor is a throwback to the bad old days and will continue to damage the party. They need a new broom to sweep clean and Starmer appears to be unable to provide any unity
 
Old_Laytonian said:
Boris wrote in the Spectator in 1995 "Working class men are likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless & hopeless. And perhaps claim to suffer from low self-esteem, brought on by unemployment.”

Did he have a point?
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Any truth in the rumour that Boris is encouraging talk of a jobs shortage, hoping people will panic and get as many as they can?
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
The reason the stories are getting away with such a shite overall performance is the lack of a credible opposition. The ghost of Jeremy still haunts the party and until that is exorcised they will never get back in. Raynor is a throwback to the bad old days and will continue to damage the party. They need a new broom to sweep clean and Starmer appears to be unable to provide any unity
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At least the Tories are now stealing some of the Corbyn policies that they roundly condemned at the time.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Do you constantly live in a make-believe world? I know you like to poke fun politically is a wannabe satirical way but it appears to have taken over your existence. Is there a painting of you as this caracature in your attic?
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Grow up you bell cheese, you can’t seriously think what keith has said is clear and concise in your head ! If it is your part of the problem you clown.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Anyone would think all this sudden concern about the use of the S word is just a distraction from the massive crisis the country is facing in the next few days.

Just what is being done to ensure petrol is delivered to filling stations? So that doctors and nurses can get to hospitals. So that ambulances can run. So that carers can get to people who need palliative care at home. So food can be delivered to care homes. Aren’t these the important questions of the moment?

No. The important thing is that Angela Rayner used what is apparently now an inappropriate word for the cancel culture addicted, RW snowflakes.

Jeez. I hope no one pulls down a statue of an 18th century slave trader none of us have ever heard of. Then we’ll probably get so het up we won’t even notice that granny has died.
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Selfish people have caused the fuel shortage, making a small issue massive..., you know the sort Mex.
 
Scaramanga said:
Grow up you bell cheese, you can’t seriously think what keith has said is clear and concise in your head ! If it is your part of the problem you clown.
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Clown is it. Hmm. For clarity's sake please let me know about this Keith person, (decent chap is he?), and why his comments are my part of a problem you think I share with someone.
 
When the Brexit debate got highly toxic in Parliament there was a moment where all main parties realised enough was enough and the toxicity had to be replaced with respect and tolerance.
The Jo Cox foundation asked for such tolerance to be Jo Cox’s legacy.
Various MPs on both sides (including many Labour female MPs) made passionate speeches in Parliament saying how the language and tone and conduct had to change for good.
How shameful then that Jo Cox is so quickly disrespected and seemingly forgotten by a female Labour MP, especially one in such an influential deputy leadership position.
I’m all for equality, but sadly for the insecure, they think equality is taking on the worst traits of males.
I’m at a loss why so many are defending the behaviour using the distraction technique of showing the various pitiful things that the PM had said. He has rightly been much maligned for his comments time and again. His former comments don’t excuse the here and now comments of Angela Raynor. Or are folk saying it’s ok for the Labour deputy leader to talk so badly cos Boris has, and has seemingly gotten away with it? It shouldn’t be two wrongs making a right. It shouldn’t be an acceptance of gutter talk. It should instead be a conference looking to launch Labour into a new positive modern electable future rather than one with a deputy leader pathetically playing up to the foam-mouthed hard left Momentum anti-semites. Shame on her.

Labour will remain completely inept and unelectable - and that’s a bad thing for democracy. Their leader can’t communicate. That’s because he’s lacking a vision to communicate, and he has zero charisma.

I’ll share with you a formula I was given for Communication. I picked this up during my career which included extensive training on senior level communication.

It’s C=MxP

Quite simply the formula in words is

Communication equals Message multiplied by Personality. So you can have the best message to convey but without personality you’ll turn off your audience. Or you can have a big personality but without substance to the message it will all be hot air.

Starmer is failing on both fronts. No one knows what his Message is. And his Personality is sadly lacking. He’s dull as dishwater (after a few plates have been washed I mean - not when it’s nice a clean and hot and shiny and bubbly. Hope the clarification helps. Not sure what the modern analogy is for those who only use dishwashers. Hmm. I’ll have to get back to you on that.)

Oh well, there’s always the deputy leader - a coarse crass gobshite who is about appealing to the mainstream voter as a GP appointment with Harold shipman. (Although to be honest, given how difficult it is to see a GP nowadays, I’d probably settle for a
Zoom appointment with Harold if he is still up to speed with skin rashes in the testicular region).
 
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I thought Starmer was weak on Andrew Marr. He seems a really nice guy with heart in the right place but something is missing? I imagine him a worthy advocate in court but he’s not a tub thumping rousing speech type of guy is he?
 
Newholland said:
Every panicking fuel buyer is a Tory? Still I guess your always right....within the somewhat constricted parameters of your own skull.
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And it’s odd how people queuing for petrol are all “panic buyers” - except for the person who posts, moaning about how they’ve been waiting in a queue for 3 hours and still haven’t been able to get to a pump. No doubt glaring at all the other people in the queue at the same time.

Alternatively of course they could put up a virtue signalling post about how they have a quarter of a tank of petrol and no intention of going to top up until they have to. Only to find themselves, a short while later, in a panic and in a queue for petrol. They still aren’t a panic buyer of course. That’s everyone else in the queue.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
And it’s odd how people queuing for petrol are all “panic buyers” - except for the person who posts, moaning about how they’ve been waiting in a queue for 3 hours and still haven’t been able to get to a pump. No doubt glaring at all the other people in the queue at the same time.

Alternatively of course they could put up a virtue signalling post about how they have a quarter of a tank of petrol and no intention of going to top up until they have to. Only to find themselves, a short while later, in a panic and in a queue for petrol. They still aren’t a panic buyer of course. That’s everyone else in the queue.
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Newholland said:
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www.google.co.uk

‘I was empty, I’m not panic-buying’: in the petrol queue on the North Circular

Inside lane of one of the UK’s busiest roads is full of frustrated motorists waiting for a turn at the pump
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My post wasn’t directed at you particularly - rather the pretty lazy references to “panic buyers” that are all over the place, and blaming them (along with the media and that bloke from the RHA) for the crisis.

If you look at a queue of cars waiting at a petrol station, how do you decide which are “panic buyers” and which are “legitimate”? And if a “legitimate buyer” is panicking slightly because they are in the red, does that make them a panic buyer?

The attached article is interesting. As far as I can see no one in the queue admits to being a panic buyer. No one on this board who admits they’ve filled their car in the last few days will admit to being a panic buyer. Nor, I imagine, will anyone who fills their car in the coming days.

Yet loads of people are certain the panic buyers are to blame for it all.
 
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