Angela Rayner

spudgun said:
I looked at turning over some land to a solar farm, and you can still graze sheep on the fields. You can also still farm fields with wind turbines in.

Post Brexit, I find the RPA payments schemes very convoluted, and the government lacks any direction regarding farming matters and food security...
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Yes, I was thinking more on the arable side.
 
Wizaard said:
In the push for green energy, there's a danger of giving up valuable farmland in favour of solar panels and turbines, when we already have a shortage of home produced foodstuffs. These things need putting in places where there isn't pressure to produce food.
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Are not most new turbines now offshore where they can be bigger and more efficient.
Pretty sure the level of food imports is down to large grocery buyers. If we made the imports more expensive, then we could again produce enough tomatoes etc in the UK to satisfy our needs.
 
tangysider said:
Pretty sure the level of food imports is down to large grocery buyers. If we made the imports more expensive, then we could again produce enough tomatoes etc in the UK to satisfy our needs.
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That would mean the tomatoes would be more expensive in the shops though.
 
Lost Seasider said:
That would mean the tomatoes would be more expensive in the shops though.
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It comes down to the green agenda. Do we want sustainable, local produce or cheap?

In the current crisis, most people want cheap and don't care about the source.

It never fails to amaze me how it's cheaper to bring in food from the other side of the world, compared to home grown.
 
Lost Seasider said:
That would mean the tomatoes would be more expensive in the shops though.
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Depends how many we grow, the fylde coast used to have loads of greenhouses and 50years ago as a summer job I helped build some more off hols lane in Poulton.
With the advent of aquaculture to increase yields and solar and heat pumps to reduce heating bills, I think the UK could still be competitive, and fresh produce does taste nicer
 
Newholland said:
Unsurprisingly I’ve studied their policy statement on food ....admirable in its aims and ideals but sadly empty on workable solutions. Also keeping a close eye on the Welsh Governments handling of the same subject.. it truly beggars belief... I can only hope the next UK government do due diligence on food procurement...in all seriousness 66 I’m really worried our politicians are going to make an almighty fcuk up.
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if the next government apply the same due diligence and was used to procure protective clothing then we are indeed fcked
 
tangysider said:
Depends how many we grow, the fylde coast used to have loads of greenhouses and 50years ago as a summer job I helped build some more off hols lane in Poulton.
With the advent of aquaculture to increase yields and solar and heat pumps to reduce heating bills, I think the UK could still be competitive, and fresh produce does taste nicer
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The famous Blackpool tomato. I did a thread on it a few years ago. I had no idea Blackpool was once famous for it's tomatoes.
 
Macseasider said:
The famous Blackpool tomato. I did a thread on it a few years ago. I had no idea Blackpool was once famous for it's tomatoes.
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The summer of 76, the hottest ever, I was picking tomatoes in nurseries off Holts Lane, Poulton. Dirtiest, hottest job I've ever had.

They've all gone now for housing.
 
Wizaard said:
In the push for green energy, there's a danger of giving up valuable farmland in favour of solar panels and turbines, when we already have a shortage of home produced foodstuffs. These things need putting in places where there isn't pressure to produce food.
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For green energy, at least for domestic use, there is no need for use of land, there are millions of square metres of roof space for solar panels, and micro wind turbines can be put on roof space, although micro wind at the size I'm thinking creates relatively small amounts of energy individually across even a relatively small network it stacks up. One of the issues with implementing mass sustainable energy is planning law, which is often also opposed to things like modern window systems which have high insulation capability. Last time i worked on something like this in the UK we were given a report that claimed 1 in 3 buildings in England and Wales was under some form of planning restriction from one of the dozens of bodies that get t have a say.
 
tangysider said:
Depends how many we grow, the fylde coast used to have loads of greenhouses and 50years ago as a summer job I helped build some more off hols lane in Poulton.
With the advent of aquaculture to increase yields and solar and heat pumps to reduce heating bills, I think the UK could still be competitive, and fresh produce does taste nicer
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Then why would we need to make the cost of imports more expensive?
 
Lost Seasider said:
Then why would we need to make the cost of imports more expensive?
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Big chains and I include Lidl and Aldi in this will buy in bulk for all their stores and will invariably source most on their tomatoes on the continent for most European stores.
Some import duty would help local producers to become established to satisfy local markets.
 
tangysider said:
Big chains and I include Lidl and Aldi in this will buy in bulk for all their stores and will invariably source most on their tomatoes on the continent for most European stores.
Some import duty would help local producers to become established to satisfy local markets.
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They'll source the cheapest tomatoes from wherever, and if you raise the cost of imports, that'll inevitably increase the cost in stores.

Also, bear in mind that this is seasonal produce, so even if you could establish local production, you'd still be facing higher costs for the 9 months or so per year when the local produce isn't available.
 
tangysider said:
Big chains and I include Lidl and Aldi in this will buy in bulk for all their stores and will invariably source most on their tomatoes on the continent for most European stores.
Some import duty would help local producers to become established to satisfy local markets.
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Lidl has a policy of sourcing as local as possible for fresh food. But removing the big supermarkets from the equation as much as possible would be a boon for farming and food supply in general, I think the wastage and rejection on fresh food is still somewhere in the region of 30%. That's 30% extra energy, fertiliser processing and distribution which equates to a higher cost, and the rejected and wasted food also incurres a cost which factor in.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
Lidl has a policy of sourcing as local as possible for fresh food. But removing the big supermarkets from the equation as much as possible would be a boon for farming and food supply in general, I think the wastage and rejection on fresh food is still somewhere in the region of 30%. That's 30% extra energy, fertiliser processing and distribution which equates to a higher cost, and the rejected and wasted food also incurres a cost which factor in.
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As local as possible for Lidl is Germany 😉🤣
 
Wizaard said:
You've got to be joking. A good job? One lost us billions trying to appease the RWNJs and the other lost us lives through prevarication as well as billions.

The latter was in it purely for personal gain, monetary and ego.
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Yes. in the pursuit of which he told a lot of barefaced lies.
 
Brazil said:
Nonsense. You'd be living in a forward thinking, progressive society with a lots of challenges caused by multiple failed systems and ideologies.
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Tell that to the good folk of Brighton who recently voted them out of power after leaving their town looking like something from Stig of the Dump and in hock to the cycling zealots....

Edit to add: And that's before we get into any of the discussion about allowing men to pretend to be women to satisfy themselves.
 
TSSeasider said:
Tell that to the good folk of Brighton who recently voted them out of power after leaving their town looking like something from Stig of the Dump and in hock to the cycling zealots....

Edit to add: And that's before we get into any of the discussion about allowing men to pretend to be women to satisfy themselves.
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I am / was one of the 'good folk' and I have to say that it reads as if you don't really know what you are talking about but want any handle to bash the Green party. Brighton has switched between Labour and the Greens four times since 2011, it's currently Labour (since 2023) but could go Green again in the future. What you have put also looks transphobic and I am not sure what on earth it has to do with Brighton council in any case. Additionally Caroline Lucas has been an excellent Green MP for the city (it's not a town) and was often the only opposition voice in the HoC.
In hock to the 'Cycling Zealots'? Is this code for, Yes there is cycle provision In Brighton along with a very good bus service and integrated road network?
In general, Brighton is a great place to live regardless of the colour of the council. I don't recognise your description of the city at all.
 
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
I am / was one of the 'good folk' and I have to say that it reads as if you don't really know what you are talking about but want any handle to bash the Green party. Brighton has switched between Labour and the Greens four times since 2011, it's currently Labour (since 2023) but could go Green again in the future. What you have put also looks transphobic and I am not sure what on earth it has to do with Brighton council in any case. Additionally Caroline Lucas has been an excellent Green MP for the city (it's not a town) and was often the only opposition voice in the HoC.
In hock to the 'Cycling Zealots'? Is this code for, Yes there is cycle provision In Brighton along with a very good bus service and integrated road network?
In general, Brighton is a great place to live regardless of the colour of the council. I don't recognise your description of the city at all.
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Was just looking at the comments in the Argus about how Labour intend to save money - and the consequences arising from that.

Green Party policy is to allow anybody to define their own gender at any point. I disagree with that, it doesn't make me out anyone else transphobic - which is used far too often to stop people pointing out the absolute nonsense of this thought process.
 
TSSeasider said:
Tell that to the good folk of Brighton who recently voted them out of power after leaving their town looking like something from Stig of the Dump and in hock to the cycling zealots....

Edit to add: And that's before we get into any of the discussion about allowing men to pretend to be women to satisfy themselves.
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You're going native on AVFTT, TSS.
 
TSSeasider said:
Was just looking at the comments in the Argus about how Labour intend to save money - and the consequences arising from that.

Green Party policy is to allow anybody to define their own gender at any point. I disagree with that, it doesn't make me out anyone else transphobic - which is used far too often to stop people pointing out the absolute nonsense of this thought process.
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Perhaps don't believe verbatim what you read online particularly in the comments section of a local newspaper. They don't represent the population very accurately.

As for your views on other people's gender identity, What business is it of yours what other people think they are and when?

I don't care what people think they are as long it doesn't effect other people negatively. That is the essence of our liberal, tolerant democracy. It is extremely patronising to think you know better than the actual people concerned. Why do you care so much what others do and think?

The world is changing and there are lots of confused, perhaps scared, middle aged people around. Change is inevitable, better to embrace it than attempt to ridicule new ideas.
 
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So it transpires that Angela Raynor has been exonerated by the police investigation. No case to answer.
 
Wizaard said:
So it transpires that Angela Raynor has been exonerated by the police investigation. No case to answer.
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So to answer Curryman's initial question;

Nobody on here was talking or posting about it because it isn't true!


The Mail is a bullshit machine and it always has been. It supported facism in the build up to WW2. It often appeals to fairly naked prejudice but is dressed with an air of respectability. I actually prefer the Sun, its propaganda is far less pretentious.
 
Just been reported in the Manchester Evening News that there is no case to answer ref this so called investigation.

Expect more bull from the Tory client media in the run up to the election.
 
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