Ben Mansford Returns to Maccabi Tel Aviv

hertfordseasider said:
I'm always right 20's! 😉
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mmmm..... for me I think your criticism of Sadler has been somewhat over the top. I've still every faith in him. Mansford on the other hand has made far too many mistakes this last year. And that has potentially cost us our place in the Championship. And once again, it seems we need a pretty big re-build to be ready for L1. Upheavals every close season really isn't good if we want to keep making progress.
 
20togo said:
mmmm..... for me I think your criticism of Sadler has been somewhat over the top. I've still every faith in him. Mansford on the other hand has made far too many mistakes this last year. And that has potentially cost us our place in the Championship. And once again, it seems we need a pretty big re-build to be ready for L1. Upheavals every close season really isn't good if we want to keep making progress.
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That’s exactly how I see it. Very well put 20s
 
voyeur said:
Ok fine but I believe that death threats played a significant part in his departure. Anyone who contributed to the the abuse of BM is to some extent involved in that because it's a group dynamic that leads to the least stable nutters going far too far. SS wanted BM to stay, from what I've heard, and tried to sort things out, but BM went back to Maccabi to take up an existing offer. 20s is wrong again. Faith in SS but not BM, separating them, cos he's nailed his colours to the mast and that's how it is. Everyone must agree with him.
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Not quite sure where to start with that Voy. Firstly I didn’t know he had received death threats, where has that been reported? To the police presumably? No one can condone that sort of behaviour and it should be dealt with and if that happened then I’m not surprised he wanted to leave but that’s on a completely different level to the opinions on here and I don’t agree at all that seeds were sown on here that culminated in dearth threats, that’s just over emotional fantasist thinking.

It’s a football forum and you and I have been on here long enough to know that for over 20 years players, managers, owners, groundsmen and posters have been castigated pretty much non stop, but rarely does it go over the top. Mansford is no exception and he isn’t devoid of criticism. I mean even Ollie still gets slated on here and he bought the best football and times to our club in my lifetime..

I think you are being too precious about it, not the off this site stuff, but what has been written on here, it’s just opinions. I agree it’s not just Mansfords fault the buck stops at the top and Sadler isn’t without criticism either and they are both entitled to praise for all the good they have done, are doing. But they aren’t exempt from opinions. I mean MA got far worse abuse on here than Mansford so did McCarthy but barely anyone defended them. I like to see both sides and I always try to be respectful and on the whole the debate is decent on here although it is difficult sometimes when people won’t listen to other points of view because they don’t want to hear it.

We have had a shit year, we are back to square one and we don’t want another season start disrupted because it and the way it was dealt with fucked us this season.

One man’s nonsense is another man’s opinion.
 
voyeur said:
Ok fine but I believe that death threats played a significant part in his departure. Anyone who contributed to the the abuse of BM is to some extent involved in that because it's a group dynamic that leads to the least stable nutters going far too far. SS wanted BM to stay, from what I've heard, and tried to sort things out, but BM went back to Maccabi to take up an existing offer. 20s is wrong again. Faith in SS but not BM, separating them, cos he's nailed his colours to the mast and that's how it is. Everyone must agree with him.

The threats didn't and couldn't happen through AVFTT obviously but maybe seeds were sewn on here, who knows. This place is a discussion forum where people vent opinions and feelings that at times are well beyond what is acceptable. There's been plenty of unpleasant stuff posted on here. Nastiness spreads. We seem to have a bad culture if you ask me, an entitled one, a hangover from the boycott and protests, everyone is fair game and we can say whatever we like. It's really shit. Fans demanding stuff as if this is war in Ukraine or something, saying whatever they like about people. You're not one of the worst culprits but some of your posts have been pretty emotional and too condemnatory if you don't mind me saying. You have regular rants where you go well overboard, in my opinion. Everyone needs to rein it in and debate stuff in a much respectful manner - including me at times. I only get mad with people on here though, people who post nonsense and argue it.
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Have these death threats been confirmed. I know people were asking for his number, but beyond that??????

herty is correct imo. This will have been on the cards for a while, it can't just happen.

In defence of BM, he will have known that his 340k wage wasn't sustainable in L1, so a massive cut in pay or look at new horizons. And in the light of a bit of shuffling by SS BM looked a bit surplus, with SS probably taking up some of BM's work.
 
Death threats - not acceptable in civilised society. Perpetrators need to be found, prosecuted and punished.

Free speech - essential for a civilised society. People can be criticised.

Want to express an opinion - that’s fine.

Don’t share someone’s opinion - that’s fine also.

First resort on here tends to be to insult or personally criticise those who you don’t agree with. From the ‘you’re clueless’ to ‘you are c*nt’ and all in between are all immediately personal and inevitably get a similar response - and so the spiral gets out of control.

Why not - ‘No I disagree’ and even better say why you disagree. Can still have a lively and robust debate that way.

Puts tin hat and osprey body armour for any incoming!
 
Roy Kent said:
Death threats - not acceptable in civilised society. Perpetrators need to be found, prosecuted and punished.

Free speech - essential for a civilised society. People can be criticised.

Want to express an opinion - that’s fine.

Don’t share someone’s opinion - that’s fine also.

First resort on here tends to be to insult or personally criticise those who you don’t agree with. From the ‘you’re clueless’ to ‘you are c*nt’ and all in between are all immediately personal and inevitably get a similar response - and so the spiral gets out of control.

Why not - ‘No I disagree’ and even better say why you disagree. Can still have a lively and robust debate that way.

Puts tin hat and osprey body armour for any incoming!
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Amen to that, perfectly summed up
 
fcblackpool said:
Sounds like he knew/was told there was no job at that salary if we got relegated.
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His losing jobs rant to the ref might make even more sense...

But tbh wasn't he on that much in league 1?

Either way good luck to him, will have done a lot behind the scenes, legacy issues etc, a promotion and comfortably stayed up. Sadly this season was a disaster, of which blame is probably shared by the board, but he was in a senior position and will have been heavily involved.
 
JJpool said:
His losing jobs rant to the ref might make even more sense...

But tbh wasn't he on that much in league 1?

Either way good luck to him, will have done a lot behind the scenes, legacy issues etc, a promotion and comfortably stayed up. Sadly this season was a disaster, of which blame is probably shared by the board, but he was in a senior position and will have been heavily involved.
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I think in L1 he had a lot more to do. SS hadn't relocated at that point and the TG needed sourcing.

Now the TG isn't the priority it was and SS is possibly a bit more hands on, you can see his role was becoming a bit diminished. Looks like the CEO is being shared out now and BM was out one way or another.

I'm sure he did many good things, but it's a football club and is in a football results business. As CEO he has to take the stick for a number of departments under him failing to deliver and worse, consistently. Maybe for some of his own decisions too.

Anyway, he's gone and we move on.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Firstly I didn’t know he had received death threats, where has that been reported?
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Errrr....yesterday, by Mosser (directly from BM) on the Mansford Gone thread.

And it's been going on for months - back in March, 1966 & All That posted.....
"I hadn't intended to post this but Mr Mansford told me, in conversation, that his wife was pregnant and he'd had death threats made against them. It's rotten. It's disgusting."
(Post #26 on here...)

How easily fooled some are

A structured dialogue meeting, Sadler and Bullshit in the spotlight saying all the right things, how much Sadler is investing and yet here we are with the worst team in Championship by a country mile, League one nailed on and a squad of players not worthy of wearing the shirt bar 5 or 6. It's...
avftt.co.uk

Hopefully the excuses for men who are responsible can be traced, prosecuted and banned from BFC. They have no place here.

And before anyone pipes up with some weasel words about fans "just being passionate", these twats haven't just crossed a line, they've left it way, way behind them.
 
Bows in….

I’m not sure reminding someone they aren’t immortal could be described as abusive. But maybe I’m thick skinned.

Bows out…..
 
I've never read a thread with so much "bullshit" posted.
I'm predicting next week will be a busy week with factual news.
 
Everyone is presuming that Mansford was well-liked at the club, but what if he was the reason Critch decide to move on at the
end of last season, maybe for example Mansford wanted complete control over the transfer activity and Critch didn't like this. It happens all the time that people move on because they just don't get on, they have a poor working relationship. Just because it was a premier league club Critch went to, everyone said it was because of more money but maybe it was about the football decisions. I know a few people said it was because Critch didn't like being a manager and just wanted to coach and didn't want the pressure, but clearly, that wasn't the case as he went for the QPR job. Usually, when a football manager is sacked they collect pay until their contract runs out, or until they get their next job. But clearly, Critch wanted to get back to work as soon as possible and to manage.

If there was a fallout between Mansford and Critch, it would be logical that the next manager had to be compliant with what Mansford
wanted so the board decided on Appleton. Obviously, Critch isn't going to say anything about this and neither would the club.

Mansford going may allow Critch to return as manager, obviously, the fans will not like it, but it could explain the rumors in the papers.
 
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Ben Mansford stated: “Maccabi is an exacting environment which places huge demands on everyone. I am looking forward to embracing and advancing all that Maccabi Tel Aviv stands for again”.

Go on David Brent. He oozes LinkedIn, glad I won’t have to read that type of talk anymore 🤮

Good luck to him 👍🏼
 
Will someone please list the concise mistakes Ben Mansford has actually made, the only critism I have read is random vitriol from people on here. Ive never really understood what the intention was all about.
 
Danny Ocean said:
Everyone is presuming that Mansford was well-liked at the club, but what if he was the reason Critch decide to move on at the
end of last season, maybe for example Mansford wanted complete control over the transfer activity and Critch didn't like this. It happens all the time that people move on because they just don't get on, they have a poor working relationship. Just because it was a premier league club Critch went to, everyone said it was because of more money but maybe it was about the football decisions. I know a few people said it was because Critch didn't like being a manager and just wanted to coach and didn't want the pressure, but clearly, that wasn't the case as he went for the QPR job. Usually, when a football manager is sacked they collect pay until their contract runs out, or until they get their next job. But clearly, Critch wanted to get back to work as soon as possible and to manage.

If there was a fallout between Mansford and Critch, it would be logical that the next manager had to be compliant with what Mansford
wanted so the board decided on Appleton. Obviously, Critch isn't going to say anything about this and neither would the club.

Mansford going may allow Critch to return as manager, obviously, the fans will not like it, but it could explain the rumors in the papers.
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We could do a lot worse and have done twice in succession.
 
FLATBACKFOR said:
Will someone please list the concise mistakes Ben Mansford has actually made, the only critism I have read is random vitriol from people on here. Ive never really understood what the intention was all about.
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Maybe it was him telling us how prepared we are at all times with lists of targets depending on division and a constant keeping of tabs on possible managerial candidates that could slip seamlessly into the “Blackpool Way” (copyright Ben Mansford)

Fast forwards….we didn’t have a list and we’re taken by surprise by Critch leaving and we end up with Appleton who apparently Mansford had no idea would be an unpopular choice, despite AVFTT being almost universally sceptical about his candidacy.

or his “big I am” spouting about our player and transfer budget in the Armfield, followed by failure after failure to bring in targets that were clearly well beyond his ability to bring in making us look like amateurs.
 
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clappers said:
Maybe it was him telling us how prepared we are at all times with lists of targets depending on division and a constant keeping of tabs on possible managerial candidates that could slip seamlessly into the “Blackpool Way” (copyright Ben Mansford)

Fast forwards….we didn’t have a list and we’re taken by surprise by Critch leaving and we end up with Appleton who apparently Mansford had no idea would be an unpopular choice, despite AVFTT being almost universally sceptical about his candidacy.

or his “big I am” spouting about our player and transfer budget in the Armfield, followed by failure after failure to bring in targets that were clearly well beyond his ability to bring in making us look like amateurs.
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Well thanks for that, I can only offer that if someone justifies a £300+ salary at a club like Blackpool it can only up the anti against him. There are enough people on here who will jump on board and put him under the microscope. If we appoint a player on a big wage and he does'nt come up to scratch he will soon find out as history does repeat itself.
 
FLATBACKFOR said:
Well thanks for that, I can only offer that if someone justifies a £300+ salary at a club like Blackpool it can only up the anti against him. There are enough people on here who will jump on board and put him under the microscope. If we appoint a player on a big wage and he does'nt come up to scratch he will soon find out as history does repeat itself.
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Well if he was taking the decisions they were poor decisions and ultimately they stacked up and weighed against him. If he wasn’t making decisions then that’s a very large salary for a total non-job. If we had done well I don’t think anyone would be arsed about his wage.
 
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