Blackpool in Tier 3

Go into lockdown Tier 2 (B'pool went into T3 voluntarily). Come out of it Tier 3. Remind me again how lockdowns work?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Punish the North, one of the Tory pledges.

Even I'm close to ** these Southern wankers off.
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Kent, Slough, Bristol. That's two and a half million people** in Tier 3 right there. They are a different sort of Southern wankers, I presume?

** population of Lancashire one and a half million, by comparison.

I agree that there is a prima facie case for treating East and West Lancashire differently. But they presumably thought that making it stick was impossible.
 
basilrobbie said:
Kent, Slough, Bristol. That's two and a half million people** in Tier 3 right there. They are a different sort of Southern wankers, I presume?

** population of Lancashire one and a half million, by comparison.

I agree that there is a prima facie case for treating East and West Lancashire differently. But they presumably thought that making it stick was impossible.
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The population is only 1.5 on new county lines, try 6 in reality. Yorkshire also nearly 6, the North East 3.....Bit odd to selectively choose Lancashire?
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
Where are Benton and Maynard when you need them.....
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I encourage everybody to put the pressure onto these people by writing to them in large volumes. Ask them if they are happy to sit back whilst you and your family lose their jobs and their homes then why do they think they should have a job themselves. These people only understand one blunt message - that they will not be receiving your votes ever again.
 
Ormergod said:
I encourage everybody to put the pressure onto these people by writing to them in large volumes. Ask them if they are happy to sit back whilst you and your family lose their jobs and their homes then why do they think they should have a job themselves. These people only understand one blunt message - that they will not be receiving your votes ever again.
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It's too late, they've got another 4 years, they can change leader and probably will again, same people in power though.
 
basilrobbie said:
Kent, Slough, Bristol. That's two and a half million people** in Tier 3 right there. They are a different sort of Southern wankers, I presume?

** population of Lancashire one and a half million, by comparison.

I agree that there is a prima facie case for treating East and West Lancashire differently. But they presumably thought that making it stick was impossible.
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But how do you make it stick in London pal. What's stopping someone from a borough with high numbers travelling (on public transport possibly) to a borough with low numbers?
I get that East lancs could still travel to Blackpool etc, but that is the case all over surely?
 
GJJW said:
But how do you make it stick in London pal. What's stopping someone from a borough with high numbers travelling (on public transport possibly) to a borough with low numbers?
I get that East lancs could still travel to Blackpool etc, but that is the case all over surely?
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That has some logic. But equally, if you go that way then we all end up in Tier 3, or they extend the lockdown. I don't think people want that either.

Given we are potentially only months away from a vaccine I am not sure why people are getting quite so het up by this. Everyone is making big sacrifices, and have been doing so for months and months. The economic impact is going to be with us for years, no matter what we do by way of tiers for the next couple of months.

But for the first time since this started, restricting movement is buying us time that will probably make a difference. I think a lot of people are losing sight of that.
 
basilrobbie said:
That has some logic. But equally, if you go that way then we all end up in Tier 3, or they extend the lockdown. I don't think people want that either.

Given we are potentially only months away from a vaccine I am not sure why people are getting quite so het up by this. Everyone is making big sacrifices, and have been doing so for months and months. The economic impact is going to be with us for years, no matter what we do by way of tiers for the next couple of months.

But for the first time since this started, restricting movement is buying us time that will probably make a difference. I think a lot of people are losing sight of that.
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Restricting movement? All shops will now open as well as gyms. Schools and colleges remain open and people can still go to work.
 
basilrobbie said:
That has some logic. But equally, if you go that way then we all end up in Tier 3, or they extend the lockdown. I don't think people want that either.

Given we are potentially only months away from a vaccine I am not sure why people are getting quite so het up by this. Everyone is making big sacrifices, and have been doing so for months and months. The economic impact is going to be with us for years, no matter what we do by way of tiers for the next couple of months.

But for the first time since this started, restricting movement is buying us time that will probably make a difference. I think a lot of people are losing sight of that.
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I think if people were told across the board, its tier 3 (bar tier 1 places), there wouldn't be this uproar. It feels very political, economic and location based. It certainly does not feel based on protecting the NHS and vulneralble which it is supposed to be about.
I just hope the numbers in Lonfon dont continue to grow because how would the Givernment explain this decision then?
Anyway, it's done.
Merry bleedin Christmas 😋
 
GJJW said:
I think if people were told across the board, its tier 3 (bar tier 1 places), there wouldn't be this uproar. It feels very political, economic and location based. It certainly does not feel based on protecting the NHS and vulneralble which it is supposed to be about.
I just hope the numbers in Lonfon dont continue to grow because how would the Givernment explain this decision then?
Anyway, it's done.
Merry bleedin Christmas 😋
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There might not be an uproar, but I think there would be more non-compliance.

I thought the picture was going to be reviewed in a fortnight, is that not right?
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
The most disappointing aspect for me is that clearly West Lancs ( and likely Blackpool ) are going to be bundled with the clusterfcuk in East Lancs for the foreseeable whatever we do
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To be clear, only Wyre and Lancaster are below 200 cases per 100k, so there isn't an overwhelming case for splitting the county at this time, perhaps if cases continue to fall then this might change in a couple of weeks time.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
The most disappointing aspect for me is that clearly West Lancs ( and likely Blackpool ) are going to be bundled with the clusterfcuk in East Lancs for the foreseeable whatever we do
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I agree, same where I am in Trafford at around the national average, but lumped in with Greater Manchester. This is happening in many areas of the country.

Amazed about London in T2, as it has the 2nd highest rate of increase in the UK. In comparison, the NW has the fastest falling number of cases. Would be falling even faster if all parts of the NW complied.
 
basilrobbie said:
That has some logic. But equally, if you go that way then we all end up in Tier 3, or they extend the lockdown. I don't think people want that either.

Given we are potentially only months away from a vaccine I am not sure why people are getting quite so het up by this. Everyone is making big sacrifices, and have been doing so for months and months. The economic impact is going to be with us for years, no matter what we do by way of tiers for the next couple of months.

But for the first time since this started, restricting movement is buying us time that will probably make a difference. I think a lot of people are losing sight of that.
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Right, so basically stop moaning we're all in his together (except us in the South East) ?
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Sadly that’s just the sort of knee jerk reaction i’d expect many to say.

These restrictions have not been taken lightly they are there to protect the vulnerable and to save lives so stop thinking about the less important things.
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So why then with only a part of East Lancashire with high infection rates and the rest of the county with low rates and still coming down do we find ourselves in the highest risk category?.
32 London Boroughs all higher than national average and rising but London kept at tier 2. Of course its to protect the vulnerable and to save lives 😂😂😂😂😂. This government is just trying to cause conflict amongst the people.
 
Seasider1 said:
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So why then with only a part of East Lancashire with high infection rates and the rest of the county with low rates and still coming down do we find ourselves in the highest risk category?.
32 London Boroughs all higher than national average and rising but London kept at tier 2. Of course its to protect the vulnerable and to save lives 😂😂😂😂😂. This government is just trying to cause conflict amongst the people.
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I’am not saying it’s fair.

We’re in Lancashire unfortunately so to are the likes of Blackburn, Darwen, Hyndburn.

As for the London boroughs I don’t doubt what you say is correct but as I don’t know the answer.
 
Seasider1 said:
32 boroughs above the national average.
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This is utter cobblers, and I think you know it. There are hotspots in places like Ealing, Waltham Forest, Bexley (God knows why) and one or two others. But plenty below average and at least one below 100 cases per 100k.
 
Ormergod said:
Because their business is going under and they cannot afford to stay closed for a minimum of four or five more months.
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But the alternative was a continuation of lockdown. I'd love businesses to be able to re-open and trade normally, but for many of them that isn't on the table and wasn't likely to be.
 
basilrobbie said:
There are hotspots in places like Ealing, Waltham Forest, Bexley (God knows why) and one or two others. But
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There seems to be a cluster centred around Havering (Romford) 366 cases/100k being the highest in London, spreading out into the surrounding boroughs and into parts of Essex.

Possibly crossover from the Kent Medway/Swale outbreak, or perhaps the people of Romford deserve the reputation.
 
basilrobbie said:
There might not be an uproar, but I think there would be more non-compliance.

I thought the picture was going to be reviewed in a fortnight, is that not right?
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Matt Honcock did say say reviewing every fortnight yes. Heres hoping for some swift improvements.
 
The amount of whinging on here is unbelievable and as someone who lives in tier 3 Sheffield this North South thing is pathetic.

Can`t people just accept that these restrictions are in an attempt to prevent a killer disease from taking more lives put up with the sacrifices until the vaccine is here and just show a bit of stoicism and selflessness that`s needed now.

What`s happened to this country`s backbone have we gone soft in the most recent generations?
 
Lost Seasider said:
To be clear, only Wyre and Lancaster are below 200 cases per 100k, so there isn't an overwhelming case for splitting the county at this time, perhaps if cases continue to fall then this might change in a couple of weeks time.
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Not true. Ribble Valley and West Lancs under 200 also.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
The amount of whinging on here is unbelievable and as someone who lives in tier 3 Sheffield this North South thing is pathetic.

Can`t people just accept that these restrictions are in an attempt to prevent a killer disease from taking more lives put up with the sacrifices until the vaccine is here and just show a bit of stoicism and selflessness that`s needed now.

What`s happened to this country`s backbone have we gone soft in the most recent generations?
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People are questioning why the differences in tiers from area to area. Not the.lockdown.
 
Well, I am in Cambridge and we have one of the lowest numbers in the country and we are tier 2, it's absolutely ridiculous as is Tier 3 for Blackpool. They are going to put so many leisure and hospitality places to of business it is untrue.

They have fucked this up completely.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
The amount of whinging on here is unbelievable and as someone who lives in tier 3 Sheffield this North South thing is pathetic.

Can`t people just accept that these restrictions are in an attempt to prevent a killer disease from taking more lives put up with the sacrifices until the vaccine is here and just show a bit of stoicism and selflessness that`s needed now.

What`s happened to this country`s backbone have we gone soft in the most recent generations?
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send over half your pension fella. Not got a pot to piss in over here.
 
Lots of moaning about what level we should or shouldn’t be in but I’ve not seen any comments yet about the death rate which is still rising 498 Covid related deaths in the last 24 hours.
 
Sooty59 said:
That’s convenient if they’re correct.
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It's not "convenient", it is true. In the beginning London Boroughs occupied the top dozen or so places in the League table of infection, but it dropped off precipitously once the first lockdown began.

Which makes sense, doesn't it? This is about minimising risk by changing behaviour. And the fact is that London stands out from the rest of the country in the sheer number of journeys that would have been undertaken which are not being made now. Huge numbers are now not commuting in to work, for instance.

London is (conversely) a lot like other places in that it has some areas of concern, and a big tranche that are around the national average or better. That the whole city is heading in the wrong direction is a myth, as far as I can see. My Borough has been very steady for weeks now, as have others.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Lots of moaning about what level we should or shouldn’t be in but I’ve not seen any comments yet about the death rate which is still rising 498 Covid related deaths in the last 24 hours.
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That’s gone down, it was over 600 yesterday, anyway that’s getting away from the point!!!
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Would you rather be strapped for cash or yourself or a family member or friend be infected by a deadly life threatening disease?
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I know loads that have had it and loads that probably would have tested positive (myself included) but refuse to be tested.
to be honest I find your attitude despicable , even worse that you don’t live in the area, the town of Blackpool is totally on its backside, many people are at breaking point.
 
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