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TSSeasider said:
I think you'll find the NHS are working quite hard to stop the 78k smoking related deaths.

Perhaps the taxation on them, the public health messages saying don't smoke or it will kill you, the putting nasty pictures on the packets, hiding them from plain sight and refusing to sell them to U 18's before we get to those being treated in their home, in the hospital and for many in the hospice movement isn't doing something?

Other than banning tobacco (which is probably not going to happen for cultural reasons) I'm not sure what else they could do?
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My point was that the response to
Covid is completely disproportionate. A few nasty pictures to put people off smoking yet a complete removal of basic freedoms for Covid.
I truly believe this has nothing to do with protecting health as a result. More about control and implementation of change.
 
SquidGame said:
I will just leave this here and let my immune system look after me. The cowardly, weak minded, snivelling imbeciles can join the queue to be " double jabbed" then boosted every few months with a drug that will slowly kill them.
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Fuck are you calling cowardly Mr 'Bwah It's a Nasty Vaccine That Will Kill Me Honestly Bwah'?
 
SquidGame said:
Like I said,the brainwashed insist it is for their health. Thousands of deaths as a direct result of being jabbed, thousands more with serious side effects. Medical apartheid, morons driving cars alone down the road but wearing a muzzle, locking people down for months, banning people from seeing relatives etc etc but still the sheeple accept it. G7 summit earlier this year showed all those leaders quaffing champagne together without a mask insight except when the photo shoot for the media took place, and guess what, the Queens was stood right in their midst drinking too. The same 90 something woman who only weeks earlier sat alone and away from her children in Westminster Abbey at her husbands funeral, wearing a mask. She was happy to mix with Trudeau, Johnson, Merkel, Biden , Macron and all the others who flew into the UK and did not quarantine. The head of the commonwealth in a supposedly extremely vulnerable age group standing amongst foreign leaders . What a charade and again the moronic sheep queue to be injected. Truly gullible and somewhat cowardly.
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Brain washed. check
Sheeple. check

No wonder there's a shortage of tin foil.
 
thegloves said:
My point was that the response to
Covid is completely disproportionate. A few nasty pictures to put people off smoking yet a complete removal of basic freedoms for Covid.
I truly believe this has nothing to do with protecting health as a result. More about control and implementation of change.
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Implementation of change to what?
 
SquidGame said:
I will just leave this here and let my immune system look after me. The cowardly, weak minded, snivelling imbeciles can join the queue to be " double jabbed" then boosted every few months with a drug that will slowly kill them.
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And if you don't beat Covid?

Any source for that 99.7% claim BTW, or are you just making it up?
 
thegloves said:
My point was that the response to
Covid is completely disproportionate. A few nasty pictures to put people off smoking yet a complete removal of basic freedoms for Covid.
I truly believe this has nothing to do with protecting health as a result. More about control and implementation of change.
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I'm not sure that it was.

Given the source of the virus was in doubt (other than China being the first to recognise it) and as it was novel they weren't sure that they'd have an effective treatment I think they needed to do something.

I understand that it has a pretty high survival rate (which is a good thing) but the alternative of allowing it to go through a population without hindrance would have seen it impossible to process the deaths. We'd have seen refrigerated lorries storing them and/or mass graves; that we'd have seen restrictions on our freedoms which would make 'lockdown' look like minor inconveniences. It's also politically and morally unacceptable to allow it to happen.

I think the loosening of restrictions now leaves us in the place of making our own assessments of our own personal risk; I'm happy with being double jabbed and taking some mitigation to minimise the risk of getting it; others don't care and will crack on regardless and that's fine too.

I'm against mandating vaccines (we should retain the absolute right to choose what we have injected into ourselves) but to suggest that we are being deliberately poisoned by some grand conspiracy to depopulate the planet for the global elite's benefit is unproveable and until I see proof I'll use my own judgement and say I think it's wrong.

Time will tell, but so far, I feel fine; I feel that I have full agency over my thoughts and actions, I haven't had an overwhelming desire to buy Microsoft products, etc.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The New World Order controlled by The Illuminati.

All the facts are there if you sheeple would only look properly.
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Between them and and the Lizard overlords, it's surprising more of us haven't cottoned on yet. At least a decent chunk of Amercians have sussed it:
www.theguardian.com

Conspiracy craze: why 12 million Americans believe alien lizards rule us

Psychologists are trying to determine why otherwise rational individuals can make the leap from “prudent paranoia” to illogical conspiracy theories
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
Between them and and the Lizard overlords, it's surprising more of us haven't cottoned on yet. At least a decent chunk of Amercians have sussed it:
www.theguardian.com

Conspiracy craze: why 12 million Americans believe alien lizards rule us

Psychologists are trying to determine why otherwise rational individuals can make the leap from “prudent paranoia” to illogical conspiracy theories
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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It doesn't take a team of psychologists, the reason is that quite a lot of people are bellends.
 
SquidGame said:
I will just leave this here and let my immune system look after me. The cowardly, weak minded, snivelling imbeciles can join the queue to be " double jabbed" then boosted every few months with a drug that will slowly kill them.
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That's what Anthony Johnson thought.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Football manager, 38, nearly killed by Covid

Chester football manager Anthony Johnson, 38, spent a week in Fairfield General Hospital in Bury after testing positive for Covid and suffering kidney failure, blood clots on his lungs and a 42C fever.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
It doesn't take a team of psychologists, the reason is that quite a lot of people are bellends.
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It's a shame that you have no idea about what is actually going on, and how the government have used a campaign of fear to mess with your head. One only has to look across the world and see how in Australia for example, you will not be allowed to leave your home unless vaccinated. Go out and protest, you know that democratic right we have, and you will be met with rubber bullets and tear gas. Hundreds of police officers, fire men , soldiers , nurses and doctors all being sacked or forced to quit because they will not accept forced vaccinations. Mass protests going on right now across Italy, France, Switzerland amongst many others at the removal of peoples liberty, their right to choose etc etc. Now they are coming for children and you insipid shell of a man think that this is for your health. Give your head a wobble.
 
SquidGame said:
It's a shame that you have no idea about what is actually going on, and how the government have used a campaign of fear to mess with your head. One only has to look across the world and see how in Australia for example, you will not be allowed to leave your home unless vaccinated. Go out and protest, you know that democratic right we have, and you will be met with rubber bullets and tear gas. Hundreds of police officers, fire men , soldiers , nurses and doctors all being sacked or forced to quit because they will not accept forced vaccinations. Mass protests going on right now across Italy, France, Switzerland amongst many others at the removal of peoples liberty, their right to choose etc etc. Now they are coming for children and you insipid shell of a man think that this is for your health. Give your head a wobble.
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'Insipid shell'? You're quite abusive for a knobhead aintcha?

Why do you live in so much fear of everything, the government, police, a tiny little needle?
 
Wizaard said:
Squidgame

Three posts ever and all on this thread. It's almost like it's a bot generated response.

Where's 20s asking why he never posts about football?😉
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yep, another newly registered poster, probably has another account. Grade 1 nob.
 
Wizaard said:
Squidgame

Three posts ever and all on this thread. It's almost like it's a bot generated response.

Where's 20s asking why he never posts about football?😉
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Wiz

I agree that posters should only have one username and should not be allowed to use fake guises.

basilrobbie was allowed to retire his account and come back under a fake guise and make frivolous accusations against me under that fake guise.

So I'm guessing it's just a free for all now.

Or maybe some posters are treated differently than others ?

I wonder how long I would last if I was to shut down this account and open a fake guise and criticise certain posters ?

I suggest that my new account would be closed down immediately.
 
Anyone get the feeling Mr Squid is the missing Born again Christian from Northern Ireland.....or the 16th century Alchemist or any another one of the deranged knobjockeys who do their "own research"
 
thegloves said:
My point was that the response to
Covid is completely disproportionate. A few nasty pictures to put people off smoking yet a complete removal of basic freedoms for Covid.
I truly believe this has nothing to do with protecting health as a result. More about control and implementation of change.
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We've lost probably over 150,000 through Covid, what do you think the numbers would be without the restrictions? What do you think happens when the NHS collapses under the weight of Covid patients?
 
Lost Seasider said:
We've lost probably over 150,000 through Covid, what do you think the numbers would be without the restrictions? What do you think happens when the NHS collapses under the weight of Covid patients?
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Please remember these stats are not as simple as they seem.
For example, how many of these 150k died directly as a result of Covid? That figure isn’t available.
How many of these 150k would still have died by now if Covid had never come along? Many of them for sure. They’re generally very old and very weak/ill people and at the end of their days regardless of Covid.
I’m not saying we should or shouldn’t have done all the things we’ve done. That’s quite a detailed debate. But we should remember it’s not right to think along the lines that Covid has directly caused 150k to die and that these folk would otherwise be alive. (I’m not suggesting you were saying that.)
 
That figure is available....
That's why Government's have a median mortality death rate........and that showed an increase of over 140k deaths......during Covid
So....Statistically, medically and physically, Governments/Health officials can 99% point towards Covid being directly related to killing 140k
 
Malced said:
Please remember these stats are not as simple as they seem.
For example, how many of these 150k died directly as a result of Covid? That figure isn’t available.
How many of these 150k would still have died by now if Covid had never come along? Many of them for sure. They’re generally very old and very weak/ill people and at the end of their days regardless of Covid.
I’m not saying we should or shouldn’t have done all the things we’ve done. That’s quite a detailed debate. But we should remember it’s not right to think along the lines that Covid has directly caused 150k to die and that these folk would otherwise be alive. (I’m not suggesting you were saying that.)
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The figure is available. 161,798 deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
That figure is available....
That's why Government's have a median mortality death rate........and that showed an increase of over 140k deaths......during Covid
So....Statistically, medically and physically, Governments/Health officials can 99% point towards Covid being directly related to killing 140k
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Good post. Cancer also has a much, much higher mortality rate in older people. Up until COVID I never heard anyone say old people's live weren't worth saving, whether it gives them an extra year, five years, 20 years... I wish it were still the case.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
That figure is available....
That's why Government's have a median mortality death rate........and that showed an increase of over 140k deaths......during Covid
So....Statistically, medically and physically, Governments/Health officials can 99% point towards Covid being directly related to killing 140k
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Not correct. The 140k are where it’s been put on death certs as being present at time of death. They didn’t all die from Covid. They all did however die with Covid present.

Notably you haven’t commented on how many of these supposed Covid victims would still be alive. Arguably they were about to die anyway. It’s a sad inevitability of life. The average age of death from Covid is 82 and average life expectancy is 82 also.
 
foggy said:
The figure is available. 161,798 deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate.
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On the death certificate means with it present not necessarily the primary cause, nor even necessarily a contributory factor. That’s how the stats are. It’s not my slant on it.
 
Malced said:
On the death certificate means with it present not necessarily the primary cause, nor even necessarily a contributory factor. That’s how the stats are. It’s not my slant on it.
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'COVID-19 is the underlying cause of death in around 92% of deaths where it was mentioned on the death certificate'. From the ONS. The ONS counts deaths due to COVID, as well as deaths where COVID was present.
 
Malced said:
Please remember these stats are not as simple as they seem.
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I know that.


Malced said:
For example, how many of these 150k died directly as a result of Covid? That figure isn’t available.
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Yes it is, the ONS publishes it, or at least the number who have Covid listed as the primary cause on their death certificates.

I don't have the exact figures but it was about 75% of Covid deaths (listed on death certificate), so roughly 120,000.


Malced said:
How many of these 150k would still have died by now if Covid had never come along? Many of them for sure. They’re generally very old and very weak/ill people and at the end of their days regardless of Covid.
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The latest excess deaths estimate is 124,000, so A - B = 26,000, or 37,000 if you use the exact Covid deaths figure rather than the round sum 150k figure I used.
 
foggy said:
'COVID-19 is the underlying cause of death in around 92% of deaths where it was mentioned on the death certificate'. From the ONS. The ONS counts deaths due to COVID, as well as deaths where COVID was present.
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92% seems a bit on the high side based on my reading of the numbers, it was usually 75% - 80% on a weekly basis although I haven't checked in a while.
 
foggy said:
Good post. Cancer also has a much, much higher mortality rate in older people. Up until COVID I never heard anyone say old people's live weren't worth saving, whether it gives them an extra year, five years, 20 years... I wish it were still the case.
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I have certainly not said old people’s lives aren’t worth saving. Nor have I seen anyone else say that.

It’s very naive if you think the medical system doesn’t make cost/benefit decisions all the time.

We have new drug candidates which come to the fore indeed for cancer as well as other illnesses. Many of these drugs can increase life expectancy by months or a year or longer. But NICE often reject the approval of such drugs as the cost/benefit does not stack up.

Taking it to an extreme you wouldn’t spend millions keeping someone alive for an extra month would you? That of course wouldn’t be good use of taxpayer funded nhs monies.

But the decisions aren’t so easily made as it’s not always an extreme case on which to judge the merits. What if it’s half a million to keep someone alive an extra 6 months?

With regards to Covid, a real life example is that of Eddie Large.

He was 78. His body was basically wrecked. He had a long history of illness including heart failure which had been treated to an extent. He was admitted to hospital with another heart failure relapse. He died. The hospital confirmed he did have Covid. The news papers ran headlines saying how Covid had taken Eddie. But the small print said he died with it.

He would have died imminently anyway with or without Covid. So my point is that the stats are blurred and distorted. It’s surely important to have a clear view on how many died purely from Covid and how many died with it as a contributing factor, and how many died where Covid was present but not contributory. By understanding that we can make better judgements about what interventions are appropriate.
 
Malced said:
He would have died imminently anyway with or without Covid. So my point is that the stats are blurred and distorted. It’s surely important to have a clear view on how many died purely from Covid and how many died with it as a contributing factor, and how many died where Covid was present but not contributory. G understanding that we can make better judgements about what interventions are appropriate.
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Which is where the excess deaths figure comes in - 124,000.
 
Lost Seasider said:
92% seems a bit on the high side based on my reading of the numbers, it was usually 75% - 80% on a weekly basis although I haven't checked in a while.
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That figure comes from earlier in the year but I doubt it will have shifted that much since Feb
 
foggy said:
He really doesn't seem to grasp this concept
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When we were in the pandemic and Covid was found then Covid was often captured as the main cause.

Why do you think the number of respiratory based illnesses dropped dramatically during the pandemic?

TB, flu, pneumonia, asthma etc etc. All stats on these cases dropped hugely during the pandemic as allegedly they were recorded as
Covid. Pandemic or not, most if not all respiratory illnesses would still be present to the same extent year on year. There’s an adjustment to be made due to lockdowns. But it’s not incomprehensible that Covid was in the public eye, flavour of the month, and so other illnesses took less prominence and weren’t recorded as they should have been.

I don’t know whether funding played a role in this. But again it may have been expedient to record things as Covid of it led to increased funding.
 
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foggy said:
He really doesn't seem to grasp this concept
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Haha. I will look at the stats you refer to. I was challenging the stats posted earlier where the poster said all 140k deaths were purely Covid. That’s absolutely not the case. The stats on the news every night are with Covid not from Covid.
 
SquidGame said:
Simply staggering how many people are readily taking the booster after already having 2 injections of a concoction that is still in clinical trials. I use the word concoction because that is exactly what it is. It is no vaccine, for a vaccine provides immunity, whereas this allegedly helps to reduce the effects of Covid that is all. However, to the vast majority of people who do go on to contract it, then it is a relatively mild illness that the immune system is perfectly capable of dealing with. Those who have indulged in years of self abuse, with excessive alcohol consumption, smoking, and avariciously over-eating to the point where they have become morbidly obese will unfortunately find symptoms more pronounced, as those with other underlying health conditions will do too.
Those taking the injections will probably go on to find that their natural immune systems will be around 40% lower than before they were injected, needlessly putting themselves at risk of other diseases.
The majority of people in hospital with Covid have been " vaccinated " .
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Re your last claim. Perhaps because those who weren't vaccinated are dead. I'm not being entirely flippant.
 
The sceptics can say what they like about me. I HAVE only one account.
This was all planned and you haven't seen the real start of what is coming.
It's pointless trying to get through to some people as they are truly beyond hope. However, there are some on here who will have the common sense to not presume all that the government is telling is truthful, after all, for years we have all learned not to believe anything that they say, and yet for some reason now their word is gospel.
A quick trip over to Canada, and look at how Trudeau has repeatedly said that you will not be able to work, holiday, shop, eat out or socialize unless you have been vaccinated. One man controlling a population. Pretty much the same the world over. They know that there will be resistance to this totalitarianism and hence the planning. There will be many many just like her, with " unexplained" deaths. This is the start.
 

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Malced said:
When we were in the pandemic and Covid was found then Covid was often captured as the main cause.

Why do you think the number of respiratory based illnesses dropped dramatically during the pandemic?

TB, flu, pneumonia, asthma etc etc. All stats on these cases dropped hugely during the pandemic as allegedly they were recorded as
Covid. Pandemic or not, most if not all respiratory illnesses would still be present to the same extent year on year. There’s an adjustment to be made due to lockdowns. But it’s not incomprehensible that Covid was in the public eye, flavour of the month, and so other illnesses took less prominence and weren’t recorded as they should have been.

I don’t know whether funding played a role in this. But again it may have been expedient to record things as Covid of it led to increased funding.
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Hmm. I wonder why during a pandemic illnesses like flu and the common cold went down. A real head-scratcher that.
 
Malced said:
I have certainly not said old people’s lives aren’t worth saving. Nor have I seen anyone else say that.

It’s very naive if you think the medical system doesn’t make cost/benefit decisions all the time.

We have new drug candidates which come to the fore indeed for cancer as well as other illnesses. Many of these drugs can increase life expectancy by months or a year or longer. But NICE often reject the approval of such drugs as the cost/benefit does not stack up.

Taking it to an extreme you wouldn’t spend millions keeping someone alive for an extra month would you? That of course wouldn’t be good use of taxpayer funded nhs monies.

But the decisions aren’t so easily made as it’s not always an extreme case on which to judge the merits. What if it’s half a million to keep someone alive an extra 6 months?

With regards to Covid, a real life example is that of Eddie Large.

He was 78. His body was basically wrecked. He had a long history of illness including heart failure which had been treated to an extent. He was admitted to hospital with another heart failure relapse. He died. The hospital confirmed he did have Covid. The news papers ran headlines saying how Covid had taken Eddie. But the small print said he died with it.

He would have died imminently anyway with or without Covid. So my point is that the stats are blurred and distorted. It’s surely important to have a clear view on how many died purely from Covid and how many died with it as a contributing factor, and how many died where Covid was present but not contributory. By understanding that we can make better judgements about what interventions are appropriate.
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The UK government can spend more on the NHS any time it wants and it has nothing to do with taxpayer's money.
 
Canada all ready for the resistance. A quick look on the government's own website will be telling. For those interested just go to that website and in the search bar just type grenades and tear gas.

Home - Canada.ca

Get quick, easy access to all Government of Canada services and information.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca
 
SquidGame said:
Canada all ready for the resistance. A quick look on the government's own website will be telling. For those interested just go to that website and in the search bar just type grenades and tear gas.

Home - Canada.ca

Get quick, easy access to all Government of Canada services and information.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca
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Nobody is interested.
 
foggy said:
That figure comes from earlier in the year but I doubt it will have shifted that much since Feb
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I've checked the stats again and the proportion was certainly up towards 90% at the start of the year so your figure is likely correct, the ratio dropped quite a bit over the summer months but that was very small numbers so not likely to have moved it much.

So roughly speaking 160,000 have died with Covid on the death certificate of which 145,000 have it as the underlying cause.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I've checked the stats again and the proportion was certainly up towards 90% at the start of the year so your figure is likely correct, the ratio dropped quite a bit over the summer months but that was very small numbers so not likely to have moved it much.

So roughly speaking 160,000 have died with Covid on the death certificate of which 145,000 have it as the underlying cause.
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Thanks for checking!
 
foggy said:
Hmm. I wonder why during a pandemic illnesses like flu and the common cold went down. A real head-scratcher that.
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foggy said:
He really doesn't seem to grasp this concept
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You aren’t a medical expert I expect. There was one on sky recently talking about respiratory diseases and how the stats had fallen through the floor during the pandemic. They of course acknowledged there was a reduction in flu as we were circulating less. But allowing for that they said there was no explaining why the numbers were so low other than they hadn’t been recorded - but had instead been recorded as Covid.

By the way, you do realise that soon after the peak of Covid deaths, the number of recorded deaths for all causes dropped well below average.

Why is that? Well as I say, most of the victims were about to die anyway. And regardless of what James Bond lovers think , you can’t live twice, nor can you die twice.

Can you grasp that? 🤓
 
Malced said:
You aren’t a medical expert I expect. There was one on sky recently talking about respiratory diseases and how the stats had fallen through the floor during the pandemic. They of course acknowledged there was a reduction in flu as we were circulating less. But allowing for that they said there was no explaining why the numbers were so low other than they hadn’t been recorded - but had instead been recorded as Covid
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They of course acknowledged the reason there was a reduction in flu, but even allowing for they said there was no explaining it other than a conspiracy theory.
 
Malced said:
Haha. I will look at the stats you refer to. I was challenging the stats posted earlier where the poster said all 140k deaths were purely Covid. That’s absolutely not the case. The stats on the news every night are with Covid not from Covid.
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161,000 deaths with Covid on the death certificate, 145,000 of which have Covid was registered as the underlying cause by a qualified doctor.

Excess mortality is estimated at 124,000 now so perhaps 20,000 of those deaths would've been expected to occur by now anyway from other causes.

In any event my original post wasn't about the exact death toll, it was to ask what the death toll would've been without the restrictions?
 
Lost Seasider said:
161,000 deaths with Covid on the death certificate, 145,000 of which have Covid was registered as the underlying cause by a qualified doctor.

Excess mortality is estimated at 124,000 now so perhaps 20,000 of those deaths would've been expected to occur by now anyway from other causes.

In any event my original post wasn't about the exact death toll, it was to ask what the death toll would've been without the restrictions?
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Most of these deaths were signed off without a post mortem.
 
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