Bowler - I'm not sure

1966_and_all_that

1966_and_all_that

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I really want to say yes. However, to say yes about a man who has a limited role on the pitch, he's got to be brilliant at it. At the moment, Bowler is no Stanley Matthews.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I really want to say yes. However, to say yes about a man who has a limited role on the pitch, he's got to be brilliant at it. At the moment, Bowler is no Stanley Matthews.
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Definitely wasn’t worth the substitution today in my opinion. Such a good talent but seems scared to death of putting a decent challenge in…….. certainly won’t endear himself to our fans until he does 👎
 
He's an exciting player and has definitely got the ball skills for this level. But for some reason, his ball control and performances are declining game by game.
Critch won't be happy, that he didn't track his winger, leaving him in acres of space to cross for their goal.
Maybe rest him for a few games?
 
Even when he's not having one of his best games, he still occupies 2 or sometimes 3 players as the opposition (at least) double up on him. He's got talent so I can quite understand why the o/p wants to say yes.

He's certainly an exciting player to watch, especially when he's got a run on the LB, but as many have said he doesn't seem to track back much, and I've no idea why. I wouldn't call him a lazy player?

I think Critch and the coaching team need to work on his tracking back, but also on tackling and aerial ability because he isn't a player who's strong in either of these areas. That said, I'm still glad he's our player.
I guess we're finding out why such an exciting player is playing in the championship rather than the PL?
 
I’m sure that he is the most frustrating player for us at the moment. TBH I’ve never really seen what seen what he brings, for a winger he creates very few chances, as shown today he rarely tracks back, 1 goal that keeper really should have saved 3 months ago.
 
Dave62 said:
Even when he's not having one of his best games, he still occupies 2 or sometimes 3 players as the opposition (at least) double up on him. He's got talent so I can quite understand why the o/p wants to say yes.

He's certainly an exciting player to watch, especially when he's got a run on the LB, but as many have said he doesn't seem to track back much, and I've no idea why. I wouldn't call him a lazy player?

I think Critch and the coaching team need to work on his tracking back, but also on tackling and aerial ability because he isn't a player who's strong in either of these areas. That said, I'm still glad he's our player.
I guess we're finding out why such an exciting player is playing in the championship rather than the PL?
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He's not championship standard. No end product and shirks physical contact.
 
Had a shocker today but he’s a decent player that usually moves up the pitch well and scares defenders with his direct running, he needs to be staying behind for an extra hour after training to practice his finishing, final ball and working on his decision making in the final third in my opinion
 
Adams Kebab said:
Just for balance.

Bowler did more than Dale offensively in his cameo.

He started off really well had our best chance, but granted then lost the ball regularly. He probably did more than Mitchell too. But no threads on these. It’s weird this obsession with him.

He’s a winger, he doesn’t need to be good at putting tackles in.
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Which is why my O/P talked about having to be dead good at what he does. But, Madine, Yates, Lavery and Anderson are waiting for the crosses, and they're not arriving.
 
Too lightweight gets pushed/shoved off the ball far too easily, mind you one or two others do as well, we need to compete by being much more physical as a unit.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Just for balance.

Bowler did more than Dale offensively in his cameo.

He started off really well had our best chance, but granted then lost the ball regularly. He probably did more than Mitchell too. But no threads on these. It’s weird this obsession with him.

He’s a winger, he doesn’t need to be good at putting tackles in.
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I thought Mitchell had a decent game…

I also thought Bowler looked OK going forward and caused them problems…

Dale…. I’m not sure about
 
started ok when he came on but then when he either has a bad touch or loses a tackle he seems to lose confidence. Badly out of form for the last few matches.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I thought Mitchell had a decent game…

I also thought Bowler looked OK going forward and caused them problems…

Dale…. I’m not sure about
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Mitchell looked ok when we were on top but he still didn't manage to create anything which is what he's in the team for. He's even more of a lightweight than Bowler for being easily knocked off the ball.i
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Do you really need an answer? Difference is night & day. Football is about more than being able to dribble, and Bowler is hit & miss with that.
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Did Bowler get in better positions than the other two and have a better chance as a result? He had our best chance and then went on a good run but couldn’t square it back for someone.

I’m not saying he’s not frustrating or picks the wrong ball at times, but today he did more offensively than Dale & arguably Mitchell. That’s your answer.

That’s what we are picking wingers for isn’t it?
 
20togo said:
yep give us an answer. We had one chance today and that was Bowlers. As forwards Dale and Mitchell created nothing.
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Ok, movement, linking with teammates, being able to pass, not giving away possession, not bottling challenges. Game after game!

Ultimately, Critch selecting Madine resulted in our limited opportunities. Can’t blame Bowler, not his fault, but that wasn’t the question.
 
Long-shanks said:
Fair shout with Dale but thought Mitchel was really good. Threat going forward, tracking back excellent - unlucky to be the first to be subbed for me
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The threat going forward, what did he create though or have a chance with?

I’m not disagreeing with you by the way, I thought all 3 weren’t good enough offensively but I don’t get why Bowler gets it when he was on the pitch less and did more 🤷🏻‍♂️🤣
 
Adams Kebab said:
Just for balance.

Bowler did more than Dale offensively in his cameo.

He started off really well had our best chance, but granted then lost the ball regularly. He probably did more than Mitchell too. But no threads on these. It’s weird this obsession with him.

He’s a winger, he doesn’t need to be good at putting tackles in.
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All players need to be good at putting tackles in
 
Pauls_Boutique said:
If that’s the case he should release the ball quickly as we will therefore have 2 or 3 players unmarked in space, but he doesn’t.
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Don't you think it would help Bowler if he actually got some help off other players. Players give him the ball and expect him to do it all. Very few, especially inside, try and get close to him so he can actually give them a pass. And if as you acknowledge he's got two or three players around him, don't yu think that makes any pass he tries to make a bit harder. Not sure you actually thought about or considered that! Watch it. He gets pretty much no help whatsoever.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I thought Mitchell had a decent game…

I also thought Bowler looked OK going forward and caused them problems…

Dale…. I’m not sure about
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I've been unsure about Dale but I thought he was bit better today. He interchanged alot with Keshi and popped up here there and everywhere BUT didn't produce anything but then nobody else did.
I'm not sold on Demi but he falls into the same category.
Bowler did indeed look good going forward but you can tick the same box.
No end product.
 
20togo said:
Don't you think it would help Bowler if he actually got some help off other players. Players give him the ball and expect him to do it all. Very few, especially inside, try and get close to him so he can actually give them a pass. And if as you acknowledge he's got two or three players around him, don't yu think that makes any pass he tries to make a bit harder. Not sure you actually thought about or considered that! Watch it. He gets pretty much no help whatsoever.
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I half agree with that.
I always think that if 2 or 3 players are on Bowler that should create space for others but that doesn't seem to happen in football generally.
I don't agree he doesn't get any help, I think it's more that he doesn't help himself.
 
Insider said:
I half agree with that.
I always think that if 2 or 3 players are on Bowler that should create space for others but that doesn't seem to happen in football generally.
I don't agree he doesn't get any help, I think it's more that he doesn't help himself.
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So imagine you've two or three players right around you, say within a yard or so. How easy do you think it is to make a pass without one of those players intercepting it?
Look as I've said, he's having a really bad spell at the moment and shouldn't be in the team for sure, but again I don't think playing two [inverted] wingers is working at the moment either as we are pretty much creating next to nothing most games. But what I won't do is write Bowler off which is pretty much all your mate Timps does at the moment. Is Middxile his dad/brother?;)
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I really want to say yes. However, to say yes about a man who has a limited role on the pitch, he's got to be brilliant at it. At the moment, Bowler is no Stanley Matthews.
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Less Stan Mathews and more Stan Laurel because he thinks he’s fooling the opposition but mostly he’s fooling himself.
 
20togo said:
Don't you think it would help Bowler if he actually got some help off other players. Players give him the ball and expect him to do it all. Very few, especially inside, try and get close to him so he can actually give them a pass. And if as you acknowledge he's got two or three players around him, don't yu think that makes any pass he tries to make a bit harder. Not sure you actually thought about or considered that! Watch it. He gets pretty much no help whatsoever.
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I think there’s only so far you can go to try and excuse the shortcomings of a player that you favour. In the end only he can take responsibility for his own performances.

I actually thought in the short time he was on that he made more of an effort to find a pass today, but he doesn’t offer the same balance as Demi, who does the hard miles.
 
Dave62 said:
Even when he's not having one of his best games, he still occupies 2 or sometimes 3 players as the opposition (at least) double up on him. He's got talent so I can quite understand why the o/p wants to say yes.

He's certainly an exciting player to watch, especially when he's got a run on the LB, but as many have said he doesn't seem to track back much, and I've no idea why. I wouldn't call him a lazy player?

I think Critch and the coaching team need to work on his tracking back, but also on tackling and aerial ability because he isn't a player who's strong in either of these areas. That said, I'm still glad he's our player.
I guess we're finding out why such an exciting player is playing in the championship rather than the PL?
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Sorry but I don’t think he’s a good player , he’s a one trick pony and the opposition soon work it out.
 
20togo said:
So imagine you've two or three players right around you, say within a yard or so. How easy do you think it is to make a pass without one of those players intercepting it?
Look as I've said, he's having a really bad spell at the moment and shouldn't be in the team for sure, but again I don't think playing two [inverted] wingers is working at the moment either as we are pretty much creating next to nothing most games. But what I won't do is write Bowler off which is pretty much all your mate Timps does at the moment. Is Middxile his dad/brother?;)
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So imagine you've two or three players right around you, say within a yard or so. How easy do you think it is to make a pass without one of those players intercepting it?"
I think you need to ask Josh that question because it's one of his faults, as is his decision making about whether or not its the right decision.
Yes he is having a poor run of form and I just get the impression his teammates are also a little bit frustrated with him.
 
Insider said:
"So imagine you've two or three players right around you, say within a yard or so. How easy do you think it is to make a pass without one of those players intercepting it?"
I think you need to ask Josh that question because it's one of his faults, as is his decision making about whether or not its the right decision.
Yes he is having a poor run of form and I just get the impression his teammates are also a little bit frustrated with him.
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It's a simple question. How easy do you think it is to make a pass if you are being tightly marked by two or three players? Or are you suggesting it's his fault that he's being tightly marked? Just maybe, and here's a thought, that's the respect the opposition managers have for him and what he's capable of.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think there’s only so far you can go to try and excuse the shortcomings of a player that you favour. In the end only he can take responsibility for his own performances.
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Of course, and as I acknowledge he's in a bad run of form at the moment and needs a break from playing. That said, Critch is the best judge of that.
But once again, here we have so called Blackpool fans who can't wait to stick the knife into a young player who has an incredible amount of talent.
 
Maunder said:
Had a shocker today but he’s a decent player that usually moves up the pitch well and scares defenders with his direct running, he needs to be staying behind for an extra hour after training to practice his finishing, final ball and working on his decision making in the final third in my opinion
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Shocker that meant he had our only shot on target in the 30 mins or less he was on the pitch. Keeper made a good save.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Did Bowler get in better positions than the other two and have a better chance as a result? He had our best chance and then went on a good run but couldn’t square it back for someone.

I’m not saying he’s not frustrating or picks the wrong ball at times, but today he did more offensively than Dale & arguably Mitchell. That’s your answer.

That’s what we are picking wingers for isn’t it?
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We are picking wingers to deliver crosses, I know that, you know that, I’m wondering if Bowler knows that.🤔
 
In my opinion for what it’s worth I believe we have three players in Bowler, Mitchell and Dale who have the potential to improve . Despite initially being unsure of Dale I think he might turn out to be the best of the three if we choose to keep him . Early days . UTMP
 
Goforgoal said:
We are picking wingers to deliver crosses, I know that, you know that, I’m wondering if Bowler knows that.🤔
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If we were picking wingers to deliver crosses we wouldn't be playing them on the side of their wrong foot [inverted].
 
Goforgoal said:
We are picking wingers to deliver crosses, I know that, you know that, I’m wondering if Bowler knows that.🤔
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We don’t cross the ball much we never have? Did you see our set-pieces today? Shite.

Four great opportunities early on to get the ball in a great area and Anderson and James both failed. Granted it was windy but it’s been poor all season dead ball wise.
 
Goforgoal said:
Sorry but I don’t think he’s a good player , he’s a one trick pony and the opposition soon work it out.
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No need for the sorry, you're entitled to your opinion gfg, and given Josh's relatively poor run of form I can understand it in a way.
But even if the opposition work it out, they often do so by sticking 2 men on him (sometimes 3), and although they might know what's coming, you can't always do much when a player is running at you at pace and skillfully cutting in between 2 markers. That said, I realise he's got his "end product" issues and he has not played so well lately.

I agree with 20's in that he needs a break from games, and also time on the training ground on the areas I mentioned in my initial post. I disagree with an earlier post that a winger doesn't need to tackle. I think it's an essential part of a high press !
 
20togo said:
If we were picking wingers to deliver crosses we wouldn't be playing them on the side of their wrong foot [inverted].
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Not sure about that , I have never seen him use his left foot except to have shots which usually hit someone in the crowd.😜
 
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