Perhaps the poster called @Fiduciary should be banned for being an intolerant individual, determined to call out people by name simply for doing their best for the supporters of Blackpool Football Club. Yes, come to think of it, maybe intolerance should be the one characteristic that disqualifies people from supporting our club. After all, in my free, liberal and tolerant society these people would be imprisoned.
I’m not talking about Robbie specifically, although I don’t think the position of ‘secretary’, particularly given the fact that the position is almost certainly not one of ‘secretary’ in a traditional sense, should be excluded from the democratic process.
Fair do's.
Whereas you display all the hot-headedness of youth by assuming things about older people that are not true.
There we go, point proven .... Thank you
Criterion.
Good pub back in the day. Nice pint of Walkers Warrington Ale.
They are 14 and 20; they live in Hartlepool which could limit their involvement in a structured way - but they do feel attached to other supporters through the online communities.
Could attend meetings via zoom pal. God knows we are all used to it now!
... I'm sure they will love listening to Mr Whittaker talk about how Bury FC deserved to go bust and how BST are going to take over the world of football governance, not to mention the moral dilema of having adults who backed the regime influencing young folk.
Let's see if they are interested.
How can the MSG hold anyone to account when it's well known that their leader who runs their X page doesn't even own a season ticket?!
The Walkers version of Tetley's wasn't a match for the Leeds original.
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Should I have said "some of us..."?
Loved him in red dwarf.
Most things are done via Zoom and online, would be great if your 20 year old would like to get involved. The youth advisory board idea is just beginning and will be led by the young people. Just a thought.
Fiduciary is certainly displaying hot headedness but I'm not convinced that it's due to youth......
And who exactly appointed him leader?
Mike Latham did not attend any games during the boycott - full stop!
You see, you are capable of quoting Marx!
I would point out the humour in the last sentence of my post but it should be obvious.There we go, point proven .... Thank you
That's absolutely fine @Fiduciary and I think I probably agree with you to a large extent. I can't be arsed with a lot of the red tape either and to be honest, I think committees will often bypass their own rules to suit in any case, but at the same time if you want to be taken seriously, by anyone other than a bunch of easily influenced kids and yes men, then you need to be open to listening and evolving, instead of shouting and demanding.
The club and BST refuse to stream their meetings to the wider fanbase.
BST have member meetings which are open to all. I believe the next one is in December.
BST streamed the last AGM and have asked the club to stream their supporter meetings, but let's not let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
Have any meetings between the club and BST been streamed?BST streamed the last AGM and have asked the club to stream their supporter meetings, but let's not let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
Anyone can stream a meeting with any phone from the last decade and a £5 SIM card. If you want to be a real professional add a £10 tripod from Amazon. Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good bit of bureaucracyBST streamed the last AGM and have asked the club to stream their supporter meetings, but let's not let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
I'm lost. BST do stream their member meetings and they are free for all to attend.Anyone can stream a meeting with any phone from the last decade and a £5 SIM card. If you want to be a real professional add a £10 tripod from Amazon. Let's not let the facts get in the way of a good bit of bureaucracy
ExcellentI think it all gets a bit painful and busy all this but we need to look at all supporters group providing value. We need the structure of BST but we need the MSG to give relevant input & not be scared to challenge stuff with their memberships views in mind.
We would not have the atmosphere in the ground without their input. You can also guarantee that when the Council were involved in issues with standing in the ground and fan behaviour, BST would’ve rolled over and been straight on to the fans like litter bags and advising how to speak to catering staff I mean cmon.
Instead, the MSG asked what determines ‘safe standing’ - can you do it on a goal, if you get a corner etc. & a compromise was reached regarding the aisles. This is where you need a more volatile and outspoken approach to challenge things than a load of nodding dogs who think someone is a Neanderthal for not shopping at Matalan & wearing a Stone Island jumper.
At the same time, sometimes this can result in unnecessary drama being created but there’s people to reign it in, I still can’t believe Appleton had to go the Armfield to whip his kit off as a prime example.
Crucially though, we need both groups to cater for all sorts of fans. I thought we’d lose the younger element during the boycott years but it’s bigger and better than ever and they support and back the Club all over the country £££, that’s the MSG factor 100% and the modern world of “limbs” and social media. We need a group to cater for them and a link and voice to the club. A parish council style committee or half the people on here isn’t that, who want a lifetime ban for a 15 year old who’s thrown a flare. Just like, BST have a specific type of member to cater for.
In my experience, at football or golf clubs, in local league committees, wherever you go, there’s people on them for their own interest and gain. That little bit of power. Like the clipboard crew or trolley warriors you saw during the dark covid times, I’ve got a badge so do as I say. There’s others with the best interests at heart but we need a mix.
Some Scout type leaders, the efficient, a few who take no shit and want to say it as it is and a couple for the love of it.
People respect people they can relate to and everyone is different. Both sides need to accept this & come together to form a working partnership where both have access to the Club to keep improving things.
Asked the club! You should be demanding it from the club in the interests of transparency. But when everybody is cosied up together this is what happens.BST streamed the last AGM and have asked the club to stream their supporter meetings, but let's not let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
How would you know? You've spent the last few years telling everybody how poor this country is compared to Singapore. Another one of those "whatever you've done I've done it twice as good" kind of fellas.
Comical
... There are no leaders of The MSG, that is the point. You wouldn't understand that though so move on please kid
Love the last paragraph and hope this is possible, just not so sure.I think it all gets a bit painful and busy all this but we need to look at all supporters group providing value. We need the structure of BST but we need the MSG to give relevant input & not be scared to challenge stuff with their memberships views in mind.
We would not have the atmosphere in the ground without their input. You can also guarantee that when the Council were involved in issues with standing in the ground and fan behaviour, BST would’ve rolled over and been straight on to the fans like litter bags and advising how to speak to catering staff I mean cmon.
Instead, the MSG asked what determines ‘safe standing’ - can you do it on a goal, if you get a corner etc. & a compromise was reached regarding the aisles. This is where you need a more volatile and outspoken approach to challenge things than a load of nodding dogs who think someone is a Neanderthal for not shopping at Matalan & wearing a Stone Island jumper.
At the same time, sometimes this can result in unnecessary drama being created but there’s people to reign it in, I still can’t believe Appleton had to go the Armfield to whip his kit off as a prime example.
Crucially though, we need both groups to cater for all sorts of fans. I thought we’d lose the younger element during the boycott years but it’s bigger and better than ever and they support and back the Club all over the country £££, that’s the MSG factor 100% and the modern world of “limbs” and social media. We need a group to cater for them and a link and voice to the club. A parish council style committee or half the people on here isn’t that, who want a lifetime ban for a 15 year old who’s thrown a flare. Just like, BST have a specific type of member to cater for.
In my experience, at football or golf clubs, in local league committees, wherever you go, there’s people on them for their own interest and gain. That little bit of power. Like the clipboard crew or trolley warriors you saw during the dark covid times, I’ve got a badge so do as I say. There’s others with the best interests at heart but we need a mix.
Some Scout type leaders, the efficient, a few who take no shit and want to say it as it is and a couple for the love of it.
People respect people they can relate to and everyone is different. Both sides need to accept this & come together to form a working partnership where both have access to the Club to keep improving things.
Fiduciary they have been asked - repeatedly starting with me wanting the meetings streamed during the interim board period. Michael Bolingbroke said no. The MSG have also had reps at the SD meetings when that specific question was posed again ( by me and no doubt others ) and rejected. Have the MSG ever demanded it - and to be clear I don't know the answer so I am not ' being clever ' ?
I would know, believe me
It's great therefore having somebody on the BST committee who doesn't live here, slates the country, but wants to have his say on local community projects.I would know, believe me
Make up what you want - you normally do
..oh and by the way, the UK is well behind many places for standards these days.
... What a whopper you are LathamOK, let's call him the MSG mouthpiece who last time he was in the club holding them to account got more and more vocal and agitated after each one of his very frequent trips to the gents.Comical
Finally worked it out.It's great therefore having somebody on the BST committee who doesn't live here, slates the country, but wants to have his say on local community projects.
Have you even read the minutes of this BST meeting? Why on earth would anyone want that borefest streamed? All that streaming of meetings would do is invite controversial behaviour so idiots can make a name for themselves "holding the club to account".
That’s a decent post AK and I agree with a lot of it.I think it all gets a bit painful and busy all this but we need to look at all supporters group providing value. We need the structure of BST but we need the MSG to give relevant input & not be scared to challenge stuff with their memberships views in mind.
We would not have the atmosphere in the ground without their input. You can also guarantee that when the Council were involved in issues with standing in the ground and fan behaviour, BST would’ve rolled over and been straight on to the fans like litter bags and advising how to speak to catering staff I mean cmon.
Instead, the MSG asked what determines ‘safe standing’ - can you do it on a goal, if you get a corner etc. & a compromise was reached regarding the aisles. This is where you need a more volatile and outspoken approach to challenge things than a load of nodding dogs who think someone is a Neanderthal for not shopping at Matalan & wearing a Stone Island jumper.
At the same time, sometimes this can result in unnecessary drama being created but there’s people to reign it in, I still can’t believe Appleton had to go the Armfield to whip his kit off as a prime example.
Crucially though, we need both groups to cater for all sorts of fans. I thought we’d lose the younger element during the boycott years but it’s bigger and better than ever and they support and back the Club all over the country £££, that’s the MSG factor 100% and the modern world of “limbs” and social media. We need a group to cater for them and a link and voice to the club. A parish council style committee or half the people on here isn’t that, who want a lifetime ban for a 15 year old who’s thrown a flare. Just like, BST have a specific type of member to cater for.
In my experience, at football or golf clubs, in local league committees, wherever you go, there’s people on them for their own interest and gain. That little bit of power. Like the clipboard crew or trolley warriors you saw during the dark covid times, I’ve got a badge so do as I say. There’s others with the best interests at heart but we need a mix.
Some Scout type leaders, the efficient, a few who take no shit and want to say it as it is and a couple for the love of it.
People respect people they can relate to and everyone is different. Both sides need to accept this & come together to form a working partnership where both have access to the Club to keep improving things.
Exactly, politics. That's not what The MSG want at all, quite the opposite. But the majority will not sit by whilst a group of old timers give out the perception that they are the voice of Blackpool fans. I for one would be happy if there were no meetings between club and fans groups, others won't because they want to feel important.
Simon Sadler is nothing like you pal so stop trying to big yourself up. Simon actually goes to games and therefore is in the community.Finally worked it out.
Anyway, I will never apologise for trying to make things better
PS Simon Sadler lived in HK for years and doesn’t live in Blackpool and wants to help his home community.
So by definition for you - he is a whopper as well
What's this impossible situation you talk of? I'll tell you one thing, The MSG had a good hand in those council officials leaving the ground with a good report at the Wigan game. I'm fact, it was quite eye opening the difference in their reason for being at the game, and the clubs version given out at the fans meeting prior to it.
Of course you doI go to quite a few games actually
Anyway that’s me out of this thread.
The MSG and their mouthpiece are pissed off because they no longer have board members making them feel important. That's basically what all this is about. The majority of fans don't give a fuck about what meetings BST have with the club, it's only The MSG that do because suddenly they aren't the ones getting the preferential treatment of free tickets, the ear of the Board and the ability to summons the head coach to their bar and literally pull his pants down.