Bullshit Ben

Adams Kebab said:
So it’s not naive then? “Of course talks happen”… yep of course they do 👍🏼

That’s a good 360.

If you’ve been in discussions before you should know 😁 illegal approaches/fines are few and far between. It’s the way of the world.
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Missed the point AK, it’s not a 360. The point is that a club can never know the players true intentions until they have followed the correct process.

So in this case, using your example, an illegal approach would not have placed CB in the position to leverage a higher salary at Oxford. That was only possible because we did things the right way and made him a contractural offer. He then went back to Oxford and they offered him more. A player with ambition and true intentions to join would not have done that.

It’s frustrating, but the lad had his few hours in the spotlight. There are no other clubs truly wanting him, in this window or the past windows. I’m not going to get upset about it & help to increase the lads ego further.

Edit: just to add, many approaches are actually instigated by the player via their agent talking unofficially to other clubs, if they are unhappy or have ambition beyond their current club. It happens all the time. The buying club is often in a difficult position and invariably comes out of it being criticised for not following protocol.
 
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One thing he has done is secure himself Legend status at Oxford - if that’s enough for him then fine.

I’m not sure I agree with the premise that coz we didn’t sign him means we are sh*t. That infers that the player has no say and it was only down to us - which is patently not true.

I’m disappointed - but I’m not totally down.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Missed the point AK, it’s not a 360. The point is that a club can never know the players true intentions until they have followed the correct process.

So in this case, using your example, an illegal approach would not have placed CB in the position to leverage a higher salary at Oxford. That was only possible because we did things the right way and made him a contractural offer. He then went back to Oxford and they offered him more. A player with ambition and true intentions to join would not have done that.

It’s frustrating, but the lad had his few hours in the spotlight. There are no other clubs truly wanting him, in this window or the past windows. I’m not going to get upset about it & help to increase the lads ego further.
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Course you can. They’ll have spoken numerous times on him coming via his agent, what would he want, the plan etc. I bet it’s been asked, as in most deals. I always thought it was weird he never put in a transfer request, that would have made me think is he up for it.

Maybe he likes it at Oxford? I don’t know nor do you, but that was something maybe our recruitment deal could have thought about in the previous two attempts.

So when we actually triggered his release we knew he was coming, rather than do that and he didn’t.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Course you can. They’ll have spoken numerous times on him coming via his agent, what would he want, the plan etc. I bet it’s been asked, as in most deals. I always thought it was weird he never put in a transfer request, that would have made me think is he up for it.

Maybe he likes it at Oxford? I don’t know nor do you, but that was something maybe our recruitment deal could have thought about in the previous two attempts.

So when we actually triggered his release we knew he was coming, rather than do that and he didn’t.
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I’d just edited my last post to sort of cover the point you make. I don’t think he’s unhappy at oxford, but yes his agent could have played a good game here and simply used us to get a better contract there. The lad had no intention of moving, to us or another club. He would have likely used another club to do exactly what he did.

The buying club has to take it on trust that the player is interested in signing. He wasn’t.
 
onlyonepool said:
It just reminds me of the Oyston years, we put in bids of 2 million for the likes of Charlie Austin, Mame Byram Diouff and Luke McCormack, offer shit wages with no intention of signing and then say we'll we tried. The money never ended up getting spent, I wonder if we'll make a serious effort to sign Rodgers from City or will it just get forgotten.
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So your seriously suggesting Simon Sadler operates in the same way as the Oystons?
Come on. You can't honestly believe that.
 
Always other targets, and sometimes miss out the player you want more and then find a better player elsewhere..
Branagan looks a decent player, but why has he been playing league 1 football for a while?
Loads of better players about on less money.
 
BFCPaul said:
From Critchley's resignation, and you'd be blind to not see there was so much more to that story - I still reckon what I was told from someone at the club that it was Critch who made the first move to Gerrard *Factamundo, to all these summer botched deals to everything else that is going on at the club, Bullshit Ben (love that @Philbfctrois) is at the centre of it all.
Sadler is a shrewd man, and no one has criticised him in all of this despite some implying it, and he would be wise to get another pair of eyes in the club to see what this bloke is up to.
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I heard the same story about Critch. There's more to his leaving than meets the eye.
 
PNENIL said:
So your seriously suggesting Simon Sadler operates in the same way as the Oystons?
Come on. You can't honestly believe that.
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Nothing like and I'm fully behind everything he's done. I said deals similar to this we're a smokescreen for the scum family. I expect us to move on and use the money wisely to strengthen. Still passed off the way we're missing out on deals after coming so close.
 
LA-KINGS said:
Some massive over reactions here. Our club are being professional and not announcing anything until player is signed. If players are happy where they are, or prefer other places to live, then not a lot the club can do. Players are not always going to choose us, even if we've offered the higher wage. We are biased, but I am sure lots of players prefer other locations in the country.
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If he was happy where he is and prefers to live in Oxfordshire, why would he come and speak to us? He would reject the approach out of hand.
 
mull said:
Pure conjecture. As they say, never let the truth get in the way of a good story. In this case none of us are privy to what the truth actually is.
Sometimes it's better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought wise then open one's mouth and remove all doubt
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Nothing like a misquoted quote.😁
 
Goforgoal said:
If he was happy where he is and prefers to live in Oxfordshire, why would he come and speak to us? He would reject the approach out of hand.
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Because he will have been acting under the advice of an agent, who was in the midst of trying to secure him a new contract. 'Leverage' is the key to a successful negotiation and in this case we were the leverage.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Because he will have been acting under the advice of an agent, who was in the midst of trying to secure him a new contract. 'Leverage' is the key to a successful negotiation and in this case we were the leverage.
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Which is what I said on a previous post re him and Robinson both using us. However it seems an awful lot of late night messing around just for a new contract, when we offered the release money he could have just said up your offer or I’m away, simple.😉
 
Goforgoal said:
Which is what I said on a previous post re him and Robinson both using us. However it seems an awful lot of late night messing around just for a new contract, when we offered the release money he could have just said up your offer or I’m away, simple.😉
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He might have said that... And they might have said no... So then he's forced to carry out the threat....Then they're forced to hit the media with a "Good Bye Cameron" interview to demonstrate that they are serious too.... Then he has a dilemma... Then they have a dilemma....

Nothing happens for a while....

Then Oxford crack and up their offer with a last ditch attempt....

Job done...


Same bullshit is played out all over the country with different clubs involved throughout the transfer window
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Same bullshit is played out all over the country with different clubs involved throughout the transfer window
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Is it?

Name me another club that’s failed to get a manager and 3 players (possibly 4) over the line this window?

And two of those chose to stay in a league below us.
 
Scaramanga said:
Something doesn’t sit right with this, are we to assume there was no other offers for CB ? Are we to assume he didn’t want to move to the championship because he has a pond ? Surely the problems here are with US, you just knew it wasn’t happening last night didn’t you. I think it’s time for the club to come out and tell the truth, enough of the cloak and dagger bullshit.
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Hahahahaha
 
Philbfctrois said:
Lack ambition ??????

He probably thinks we are tin pot will go down as we are shit at agreeing terms and than Oxford have put money down and may replace us next season

If I was him that's what I would think
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It's a very strange mentality you have Phil 🙄
When someone has an opinion that differs from yours based on conjecture they are always wrong.
Yet in your world of conjecture, you are always right 🙄😵😵
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Is it?

Name me another club that’s failed to get a manager and 3 players over the line this window?
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I'm talking about this specific deal....

In regard to the Manager... You're speculating.... You have no idea whether we 'failed' to get anyone.... Fact is we appointed a well respected manager and he's clearly happy to be here.

As for failing to get a few players over the line... You've got to be involved and trying to get the deals done to experience the failures.... Even the very top clubs struggle to land their targets.

The deals that come to mind...

1. Bishop -- We pulled out for (suspected issue with medical)

2. Simms -- Chose a massive club having plenty of options (not just Blackpool) to consider... Makes sense for him to widen his horizons and losing out to a Club of Sunderland's stature is hardly a surprise.

3. Brannagan -- Evidently never had any intention of moving unless it was for a 'Godfather' offer.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm talking about this specific deal....

In regard to the Manager... You're speculating.... You have no idea whether we 'failed' to get anyone.... Fact is we appointed a well respected manager and he's clearly happy to be here.

As for failing to get a few players over the line... You've got to be involved and trying to get the deals done to experience the failures.... Even the very top clubs struggle to land their targets.

The deals that come to mind...

1. Bishop -- We pulled out for (suspected issue with medical)

2. Simms -- Chose a massive club having plenty of options (not just Blackpool) to consider... Makes sense for him to widen his horizons and losing out to a Club of Sunderland's stature is hardly a surprise.

3. Brannagan -- Evidently never had any intention of moving unless it was for a 'Godfather' offer.
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As you say a hell of a lot of speculation why all those didn’t come but what worries me it’s become ‘the norm’ now and we’ll never get to know the real reasons a manager and 3 players never signed.
And alarmingly 3 chose to stay in league one. 😬
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm talking about this specific deal....

In regard to the Manager... You're speculating.... You have no idea whether we 'failed' to get anyone.... Fact is we appointed a well respected manager and he's clearly happy to be here.

As for failing to get a few players over the line... You've got to be involved and trying to get the deals done to experience the failures.... Even the very top clubs struggle to land their targets.

The deals that come to mind...

1. Bishop -- We pulled out for (suspected issue with medical)

2. Simms -- Chose a massive club having plenty of options (not just Blackpool) to consider... Makes sense for him to widen his horizons and losing out to a Club of Sunderland's stature is hardly a surprise.

3. Brannagan -- Evidently never had any intention of moving unless it was for a 'Godfather' offer.
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One thing that is clear is that we are currently weaker than we would have been if any of them had signed.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
As you say a hell of a lot of speculation why all those didn’t come but what worries me it’s become ‘the norm’ now and we’ll never get to know the real reasons a manager and 3 players never signed.
And alarmingly 3 chose to stay in league one. 😬
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It's become the norm? ... Because a few players haven't come in.... Clubs all over the county will have had loads of failed deals over the course of this transfer window... The overwhelming majority won't get anywhere near the media. The only 'Alarming' thing at the minute is the lather that a bunch of Middle Aged blokes can work themselves into over some transfer dealings... God help any of you if you actually had to operate at the sharp end...


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Davepick said:
Personally I think we've been played all along in tis fiasco.
I don't think he had any intention of coming to Blackpool.
He was just using us for publicity.
Forget him and concentrate on other, wiling players.
P.S. really looking forward to tomorrow.
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Agree with your sentiments, Dave, apart from the post script.
I'll be there, but the pessimist in me foresees a disillusioned exit, around 16-50hrs, muttering, " If we can't beat, or even score against a team like that, gonna be a long, cold, lonely winter.
Pie was cold and that gobby young idiot in front of me must have been watching another game.
Only hope x, y and z improve as they were yards off the pace, didn't look interested, couldn't string a couple of passes together, created nothing and were at fault for their third."
 
coloradoan said:
If we truly did everything above the board, then we had to activate his release clause in order to discuss a transfer and personal terms with him. The way people are talking here, we'd been discussing the details with him for a while and then it all fell apart at the last moment.
We did it all on the up and up. Oxford went to the papers, Robinson got on the radio to complain, and now he's signed a new contract. Given that he hadn't signed a new contract before today, he has clearly used our activation of the release clause as a negotiating tool to get a sweeter deal out of Oxford than he'd been offered already.

Good for him. If he's actually happy there, he's managed to turn our approach into a better contract and still gets to stay where he wants to be.

As far as how things are done by Ben Mansford and the board, so what you like but we don't conduct our business in the press. Of our first two loans and one permanent this summer, the first any of us had heard about them was when they were announced on the club website (this recent loan from Wolves came out one day in advance). Would we all be happier if the club was feeding info to Scrafton and Nixon and whoever else so that we could get our hopes up and then be delighted when the club got those deals over the line? If not, maybe we should reserve our complaints for the journalists who air our internal business out in public.
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Perfection that post good sir.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
As you say a hell of a lot of speculation why all those didn’t come but what worries me it’s become ‘the norm’ now and we’ll never get to know the real reasons a manager and 3 players never signed.
And alarmingly 3 chose to stay in league one. 😬
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We only know one chose to stay in league one. Implying anything else is a bit sensationalist.

It seems like you’re jumping to the worst possible conclusions without knowing the facts.
 
coloradoan said:
If we truly did everything above the board, then we had to activate his release clause in order to discuss a transfer and personal terms with him. The way people are talking here, we'd been discussing the details with him for a while and then it all fell apart at the last moment.
We did it all on the up and up. Oxford went to the papers, Robinson got on the radio to complain, and now he's signed a new contract. Given that he hadn't signed a new contract before today, he has clearly used our activation of the release clause as a negotiating tool to get a sweeter deal out of Oxford than he'd been offered already.

Good for him. If he's actually happy there, he's managed to turn our approach into a better contract and still gets to stay where he wants to be.

As far as how things are done by Ben Mansford and the board, so what you like but we don't conduct our business in the press. Of our first two loans and one permanent this summer, the first any of us had heard about them was when they were announced on the club website (this recent loan from Wolves came out one day in advance). Would we all be happier if the club was feeding info to Scrafton and Nixon and whoever else so that we could get our hopes up and then be delighted when the club got those deals over the line? If not, maybe we should reserve our complaints for the journalists who air our internal business out in public.
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How dare you come on here and talk such common sense!!! Outrageous.

Why aren't you frothing at the mouth like the rest!! 😁
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
We only know one chose to stay in league one. Implying anything else is a bit sensationalist.

It seems like you’re jumping to the worst possible conclusions without knowing the facts.
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Bishop/Brannagan we’re both league one last time I looked.

And the true facts are?

You don’t know I don’t know end of but anyone is entitled to an opinion.
 
Perhaps permanent signings are difficult because they want to sign for a team that has a chance of pushing for promotion. I'm not saying we don't have a chance because you never know in football but It seems quiet uncertain what our objective is at the moment and we had a poor run at the end of last season as well as a not so good pre-season.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Bishop/Brannagan we’re both league one last time I looked.

And the true facts are?

You don’t know I don’t know end of but anyone is entitled to an opinion.
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Well it was officially reported by our local media that Blackpool pulled out of the Bishop deal and the player hasn't denied that. In fact his own statement would appear to confirm that to be the case.... So it seems unlikely that he pulled out
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Bishop/Brannagan we’re both league one last time I looked.

And the true facts are?

You don’t know I don’t know end of but anyone is entitled to an opinion.
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It’s not an opinion, it’s speculation.

You said three to chose in league one without knowing that to be the case.
 
The only problem I have with the Brannagan fiasco, is how late we left it, why wait until the eve of the new season, if we really wanted him we could have done all this weeks ago, regardless of the outcome.
That said, I'm not sure what more the club could do.
We decided not to sign Bishop, our decision, not his.
We matched the offer for Simms, he chose Sunderland, not much we can do about that.
We met Brannagans release clause, it meant we could talk to him, he chose to stay at Oxford, end of story, not much we could do about that.

We can only hope things change, not sure it should be a stick to beat the club with.
 
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