CH Hamilton is stealing a living. Discuss

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Middxile

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He is a luxury player. He cannot take and turn with the ball. He has not provided one cross of note this season. He doesn’t track back once he loses possession ( which is usual), and unless he is played through, he cannot work a position to shoot. Bring in Kemp !
 
I think he might make a better central striker alongside Yates or Madine than he does a right sided midfield player if we are going to persist with 4-4-2.
Some Mansfield fans seemed to think this is his best position at any rate.

PS it’s J !
 
Middxile said:
He is a luxury player. He cannot take and turn with the ball. He has not provided one cross of note this season. He doesn’t track back once he loses possession ( which is usual), and unless he is played through, he cannot work a position to shoot. Bring in Kemp !
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Off the top of my head....what about the cross for Kaikai to score against MK Dons , or does that not count?
 
Frustrating with his lack of end product, but if he had that then he would be Championship or higher already. Can cause problems with his pace, but without that final ball he just so frustrating to watch.
 
He provided the pull back for Kaikai’s winner against MK Dons, straight out of the Matthews / Perry handbook 😉

for the rest he was pretty hopeless yesterday but, boy, does he have pace to burn
 
His pace alone makes him very dangerous. Apart from that though he doesn't seem to offer much else. He isn't skillful. His decision making is poor which in turn affects his end product. If NC can improve his end product though, we have a very dangerous player on our hands. He is our top scorer and probably our top assist maker too. So there should be plenty others ahead of him in the queue for critisism.
 
Like has been mentioned already, if he had the final product he would be champ/premier league.

He has 3 goals, drew the red card against Charlton and will go on to win us numerous penalties I'm sure. I'm certainly glad he's our player and not up against turton or husband that's for sure!
 
He's fine by me, if he was an actual footballer he wouldn't be with us. He gives us another dimension and if Sullay, Jerry and Gary play like that more often than not, CJ will get more goals.

His fullback was very effective against him yesterday, others have really struggled.

What I liked yesterday was both Williams and Dougall (as well as the Goal Machine who is probably up there with our best passer when he's good) realised you could spread it for CJ to chase so we didn't only look for him via Turts.

He didn't get as much joy as they dealt much better with him than others have but he's in the team for me.

I like Kemp but he's been most effective in last 10/20 mins when he's been able to run around like a nutter and thus look ace.
 
CJ has the potential to be a Matt Phillips or Tom Ince for us, he just has a shorter time frame to realise his potential. At 25 he’s still a raw talent.

He needs intensive coaching over the next couple of years to bring his talents out.

I was watching and undr the cosh podcast recently, I can’t remember who the guest was now, but it was a speedy striker, who was talking about the same draw backs early in his career. He said he took coaching from the sprinter Darren Campbell to control his speed, which lead to better decision making and technical ability.

CJ needs this type of coaching to make him outstanding.
 
I think 'stealing a living' is pretty hyperbolic for someone who is our top scorer and has taken more shots than anyone, especially given how poorly the whole team came out of the blocks and given the way our top line has been tinkered with so far. If he's going to play in the role he did yesterday his distribution needs to be better, but think he'll have a good part to play this season.
 
Man of the match against Swindon certainly does blow hot and cold but isn't that the case of the whole team?
 
He's playing at the wrong level. He supplies the ammunition for strikers who are not there or who are too slow. Makes him look bad. Would be better suited to the Championship.
 
He has shown already he has all the attributes to be a huge player in L1. Just final pass and decision making required - the way we played yesterday, the cut back to Yates at the edge of the box is often on - this is where he should start as it’s a simple and effective option.
 
He’s not the first player we’ve had who lacked the final product and if he had it he wouldn’t be at Blackpool. For me CJ is a massive test for the credentials of our ‘coaches’.
He shouldn’t automatically have a starting place either, Kemp deserves a shot if he isn’t performing.
 
Some people really don't understand or don't believe in coaching. You don't sign a player with potential and then they arrive the finished product. When they're the finished product you have to sell them!
 
Absolutely shite
Alf said:
Some people really don't understand or don't believe in coaching. You don't sign a player with potential and then they arrive the finished product. When they're the finished product you have to sell them!
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Some people just don't have a clue about football full stop.
Terrible OP.
 
td53 said:
He's fine by me, if he was an actual footballer he wouldn't be with us. He gives us another dimension and if Sullay, Jerry and Gary play like that more often than not, CJ will get more goals.

His fullback was very effective against him yesterday, others have really struggled.

What I liked yesterday was both Williams and Dougall (as well as the Goal Machine who is probably up there with our best passer when he's good) realised you could spread it for CJ to chase so we didn't only look for him via Turts.

He didn't get as much joy as they dealt much better with him than others have but he's in the team for me.

I like Kemp but he's been most effective in last 10/20 mins when he's been able to run around like a nutter and thus look ace.
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I'm glad to see you've tempered your expectations of him from what you were saying a couple of months back.
 
O/P attention seeking

Without a doubt one of our best players

It’s no coincidence that the opposition sides have put two defenders on him

They certainly don’t see him as a luxury player
 
From what I have seen from opposing teams so far, it seems to me as if CJ is the player they recognise as our main threat, so (as posted already), they often double up on him. This SHOULD free up space for his team mates elsewhere. This is why I have been slightly/constructively critical of NC in previous threads, in that he needs to react more to what's going on in front of him rather than persevering with a system which wasn't always working (like he did yesterday to help out Turton against their left winger). Yes CJ has had the odd (relatively) poor game, but in my view he deserves his place in the first choice 11. The final ball and decision making will improve with coaching and experience I'm sure.
 
The headline is a terrible one that's for sure but there are a lot of weakness to his game as well as their being the obvious strengths. But he's not a luxury player and because of his pace he's some-one you have to play and some-one who the opposition will always be wary of and should make plans for to deal with. That said, imo he'll never make more than a L1 player.

As an aside, the o/p put "discuss", but he is some-one who barely has anything else to say after he's made his point. He rarely gets involved in actual discussion.
 
In any normal season, with crowds at games, people would want to see Hamilton roasting his defender: it's exciting. Yes, his crossing is poor and needs work. But don't posters recall loving Martin Bullock racing down the wing before falling to pieces in the box?
If football was full of cautious centre-halves it might be technically perfect but about as interesting as boiled cod.
Hamilton's a League 1 man. Give him a break.
 
Middxile said:
He is a luxury player. He cannot take and turn with the ball. He has not provided one cross of note this season. He doesn’t track back once he loses possession ( which is usual), and unless he is played through, he cannot work a position to shoot. Bring in Kemp !
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I agree with the 'bring in Kemp,' bit but ironically I think Kemp and Hamilton work well together.
 
His crossing does let him down unfortunately. His positives are that he is fast as lightning and he has a great finish on him, favours playing on the right as a left footed player so he can cut in and shoot but that makes him like a reverse Feeney at times, predictable for the LB to guess what he's gonna try do. As others have said he is not a finished product as of yet, hopefully his delivery improves with training - I also think his performances should begin to improve again now that he isn't our only threat and teams can't just mark him out the game.

I have faith he'll be an asset.
 
20togo said:
The headline is a terrible one that's for sure but there are a lot of weakness to his game as well as their being the obvious strengths. But he's not a luxury player and because of his pace he's some-one you have to play and some-one who the opposition will always be wary of and should make plans for to deal with. That said, imo he'll never make more than a L1 player.

As an aside, the o/p put "discuss", but he is some-one who barely has anything else to say after he's made his point. He rarely gets involved in actual discussion.
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Genuine question, how do you judge potential? I have no idea whether he'll ever be more than a L1 player. How do you know how much he can/cannot improve?
 
Alf said:
Genuine question, how do you judge potential? I have no idea whether he'll ever be more than a L1 player. How do you know how much he can/cannot improve?
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Fair question.

Because of the age he is now, his technical ability now. A coach can teach him and demonstrate to him about movement, movement off the ball places to run, positions to take up etc but he's not gonna sufficiently improve the ability he has with the ball at his feet. That has to come from himself. Is he ever gonna be able to cross a ball like Feeney could for us? No, is my answer. Pace is his asset and the higher up the leagues you go the ability of defenders to deal with that is more apparent.
 
Didnt like his petulance and 1st half sulking against MK Dons when he was ordered on the left wing, but rid that attitude, and listen to the coaching staff, and he should have good potential.
 
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20togo said:
Fair question.

Because of the age he is now, his technical ability now. A coach can teach him and demonstrate to him about movement, movement off the ball places to run, positions to take up etc but he's not gonna sufficiently improve the ability he has with the ball at his feet. That has to come from himself. Is he ever gonna be able to cross a ball like Feeney could for us? No, is my answer. Pace is his asset and the higher up the leagues you go the ability of defenders to deal with that is more apparent.
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I think that's a bit harsh because he does have sufficient ability with his feet (and I think he is reasonably comfortable with both feet).
So if he improves all those attributes you identify which can be coached his technical ability will be enhanced. Looking at his crosses, learn to lift your head, identify a target and pass the ball to him. (as opposed to close your eyes and hope for the best)
Of course it helps if your team mates are "showing" for you.
Feeney/Gnanduillet partnership was a perfect example of two players benefiting each other.
 
20togo said:
The headline is a terrible one that's for sure but there are a lot of weakness to his game as well as their being the obvious strengths. But he's not a luxury player and because of his pace he's some-one you have to play and some-one who the opposition will always be wary of and should make plans for to deal with. That said, imo he'll never make more than a L1 player.

As an aside, the o/p put "discuss", but he is some-one who barely has anything else to say after he's made his point. He rarely gets involved in actual discussion.
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And you're not much better. :)
 
He is frustrating but the type of exciting player that is worth watching imho.
I would say even 'as is' he is an asset & threat in LG1. He has the potential to really tear things up if he can improve 🤞 .
 
Insider said:
I think that's a bit harsh because he does have sufficient ability with his feet (and I think he is reasonably comfortable with both feet).
So if he improves all those attributes you identify which can be coached his technical ability will be enhanced. Looking at his crosses, learn to lift your head, identify a target and pass the ball to him. (as opposed to close your eyes and hope for the best)
Of course it helps if your team mates are "showing" for you.
Feeney/Gnanduillet partnership was a perfect example of two players benefiting each other.
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You might think a bit harsh, I'd say it's pretty accurate. Learn to lift his head up? Do you think he's never been advised that before? Do you think Critchley will be the first to make that point? My point is/was that if he was good enough, he'd already be doing that. He's a decent league 1 winger and an asset for us but if he had the ability to go much better, then imo it already would have been identified.
 
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