Change in feelings on the terraces tonight…..

BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm still not convinced about the whole Dale is better at creating possession down the left thing. I think he might have more attacking intent, but for me we tend to see more possession break down in the opposition third with Dale than we do with Connolly and as I said, we had possession and retained possession (far better than we did with Dale on the pitch) in the opposition half, down the left.

So what I'm seeing is Andy theorising that 'theoretically Dale enables us to retain better possession in the opposition half down the left' and then saying it was a poor substitution based on what he theoretically assumed would happen.... Rather than focusing on what actually did happen, which was in fact the complete opposite.

And that for me is why I sat watching the pod, pretty exasperated and frustrated last night tbh...

I get criticising the Manager for what he does get wrong.... But to criticise him when he gets it right and just pretend he got it wrong, because you decided to imagine something that's completely the opposite of reality... Well Frankly, that's kind of a little bit unfair.


We were all over the fact that the Cheltenham Manager was a ** genius for his half time changes the other week.... "Crictch would have never been brave enough etc..."... Well vs Fleetwood he was brave enough, he inspired a ** brilliant come back, he made a fantastic decision with the subs that allowed us to regain the momentum when it was slipping away from us... And he gets a ** 3 ffs

I nearly threw a ** rock at my laptop, never mind a Fleetwood Tram!!
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Come on! Make those points!

I don't always agree with Andy but I think he makes astute points, especially about individual moments and how a player responds. He's really good at that.

None of us agree completely with each other and it would be boring if we did. (Perhaps 'more boring 🤣'

I don't always like it when we're all on the same page. I don't like 'agenda' pods and I don't think we do them deliberately. Sometimes it happens that way just cos it does. We genuinely didn't plan owt last night. We didn't even have any planned questions or anything to go off.

It's like you said t'other day though - we see managers the same as players. You rate Critch and see the good things. Andy doesn't rate Critch and sees the negative. I remember having a long debate with you on Appleton v Sheff U. You only saw the chaos, I saw only the creativity - not saying I'm right/your wrong or other way round and honestly , it doesn't matter but ultimately we do our best to put a pod out and try to be fair and sometimes we're not. I'm sure some people think I'm mental for refusing to brook any critique of Carey for example. I am probably one eyed in the way I see certain players.

After we got bollocked by Sadler, my point was that perhaps we do sometimes present one side whereas an actual broadcaster would have time and planning to find 'alternative voices' - I think we *almost always* try to d that within us and I think we've consciously thought about that but it's also really hard when it's the same six or seven people and everyone is really wrapped up in the club. We don't look at it like a broadcaster would so much because we've literally not got an objective producer or presenter cos it's a fans podcast and it's not trying to be football focus or something.

Nick is brilliant at being the calm one. I get a bit carried away by the mood. Nick grounds me 🤣

I can't decide if I was harsh on Tashan. I don't know. Time will maybe tell. I was conscious of that.

I'm far more comfortable to be honest with blogging cos it's easier to be self check. Sometimes I do write something and then go 'no, I don't actually think that' and rewrite it, but I dunno, the pod, it just falls out yer mouth and it's then said 🤣
 
20togo said:
I think it's important to highlight the massive difference between the Championship and L1. I don't think it unreasonable to think that against pretty much the vast majority of teams in L1 we should be able to start on the front foot and want to play at a quicker tempo and in our opponents half. In the Championship, it's stating the obvious that that is much harder to do and so will likely be less or not as effective. This can have an impact on team selection and for me it's something Critchley hasn't fully grasped. For far too many games this season it's been a slow laboured start with far too much caution. I'm not overstating it when I say we've got a squad and players within it who are much better on the front foot and going forward rather than square and backwards.

Generally, not been impressed with what I've seen this season and there is the potential to be so much better. Sure, we're around the play offs and we should be able to make them come the end of the season but should we be doing better than we are. I think so. And I think a lot of the fans do too.
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I agree with a lot of that but I think I'm maybe slightly more positive in that at the beginning of the year I felt 'we have no idea how to attack beyond Lavs presses like mad' and *at times* now we attack very inventively.

That gives me hope as fundamentally, I think it's quite hard to create an attacking force where as solidity is a bit easier. That's a general rule and doesn't always apply. The spells in which we play with invention are too short and too manic but they're at times very impressive.

I absolutely 100% agree that we're being too deferential to the opposition. Critch I think sees it as respect - but you can respect a side by taking the game to them and challenging them to play football. You don't have to defer to their strengths to be respectful and yes, absolutely, we need to recognise the fundamental difference in the quality of our opposition.

It's an odd one. I see some things improving and some things getting worse. I can't help thinking that at the root of it all is the fact we're too cautious to play a lad who looks like he's one of the best players in the division and possibly capable of playing way higher than he is for fear of conceding goals. Ultimately, it's a bit like saying 'lets not start Messi in case Phil Neville out jumps him' as league one sides will not clinically punish us. He will make us more vulnerable but he makes us far more potent and that in itself is a form of defence.

Say what you like about Larry but there was no way he didn't play Wes and Dembele has a similar risk/benefit kind of ratio as Wes.
 
td53 said:
Come on! Make those points!

I don't always agree with Andy but I think he makes astute points, especially about individual moments and how a player responds. He's really good at that.

None of us agree completely with each other and it would be boring if we did. (Perhaps 'more boring 🤣'

I don't always like it when we're all on the same page. I don't like 'agenda' pods and I don't think we do them deliberately. Sometimes it happens that way just cos it does. We genuinely didn't plan owt last night. We didn't even have any planned questions or anything to go off.

It's like you said t'other day though - we see managers the same as players. You rate Critch and see the good things. Andy doesn't rate Critch and sees the negative. I remember having a long debate with you on Appleton v Sheff U. You only saw the chaos, I saw only the creativity - not saying I'm right/your wrong or other way round and honestly , it doesn't matter but ultimately we do our best to put a pod out and try to be fair and sometimes we're not. I'm sure some people think I'm mental for refusing to brook any critique of Carey for example. I am probably one eyed in the way I see certain players.

After we got bollocked by Sadler, my point was that perhaps we do sometimes present one side whereas an actual broadcaster would have time and planning to find 'alternative voices' - I think we *almost always* try to d that within us and I think we've consciously thought about that but it's also really hard when it's the same six or seven people and everyone is really wrapped up in the club. We don't look at it like a broadcaster would so much because we've literally not got an objective producer or presenter cos it's a fans podcast and it's not trying to be football focus or something.

Nick is brilliant at being the calm one. I get a bit carried away by the mood. Nick grounds me 🤣

I can't decide if I was harsh on Tashan. I don't know. Time will maybe tell. I was conscious of that.

I'm far more comfortable to be honest with blogging cos it's easier to be self check. Sometimes I do write something and then go 'no, I don't actually think that' and rewrite it, but I dunno, the pod, it just falls out yer mouth and it's then said 🤣
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I love the podcast and I think you are one of the better contributors.... In fairness, the post-Preston Away podcast was quite possibly one of the worst and least objective one's that I've seen and it makes you wonder whether sometimes you just end up to caught up in that post - match fog and reactive rage that it's difficult to be objective. Maybe Nick's objectivity might have been useful last night

I had the advantage of watching the Fleetwood Game on the TV and I think that the commentators can be a bit of a calming influence and enable to keep your emotions a bit more in check, by applying that unbiased objectivity to the proceedings. By contrast when your at the game, the disappointment, outrage and reactivity of the crowd tends to feed your own reaction and I think it's easy for your judgement to be coloured.

I've had a bit of time on my hands recently and I've quite enjoyed rewatching a few games outside of that 'heat of the battle' type context and you do get quite a different perspective. The main thing for me (even in games like Peterborough) I really don't think we've played particularly poorly and there's plenty of cause for optimism.

Tashan is a bit of an enigma really.... I was intrigued by your comment about Critchley knowing him from his youth days and basically giving him a platform and challenging him to put in a performance. On the face of it, it's really difficult to know why we've even signed him tbh as his contribution elsewhere and in the few games here doesn't seem to justify it, but as you also said.... With Critchley a seemingly shyte player who were all slagging off one minute can suddenly start putting in amazing performances almost like a light switches on... So I suppose there's hope yet....
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I love the podcast and I think you are one of the better contributors.... In fairness, the post-Preston Away podcast was quite possibly one of the worst and least objective one's that I've seen and it makes you wonder whether sometimes you just end up to caught up in that post - match fog and reactive rage that it's difficult to be objective. Maybe Nick's objectivity might have been useful last night

I had the advantage of watching the Fleetwood Game on the TV and I think that the commentators can be a bit of a calming influence and enable to keep your emotions a bit more in check, by applying that unbiased objectivity to the proceedings. By contrast when your at the game, the disappointment, outrage and reactivity of the crowd tends to feed your own reaction and I think it's easy for your judgement to be coloured.

I've had a bit of time on my hands recently and I've quite enjoyed rewatching a few games outside of that 'heat of the battle' type context and you do get quite a different perspective. The main thing for me (even in games like Peterborough) I really don't think we've played particularly poorly and there's plenty of cause for optimism.

Tashan is a bit of an enigma really.... I was intrigued by your comment about Critchley knowing him from his youth days and basically giving him a platform and challenging him to put in a performance. On the face of it, it's really difficult to know why we've even signed him tbh as his contribution elsewhere and in the few games here doesn't seem to justify it, but as you also said.... With Critchley a seemingly shyte player who were all slagging off one minute can suddenly start putting in amazing performances almost like a light switches on... So I suppose there's hope yet....
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Aye.

Or he sometimes just bins them off. You can never know.

I've genuinely never watched an entire game back. I don't at all dismiss it. I just can't find/justify the time.

I have got more intrigued of late by how stats can balance the impression you get of the game. I also think it's quite interesting because you get a little insight into what a manager might be guided by.

I think our level is an odd one in that there's a real divide between how the game is covered and the hunger for engagement . It tends to be fairly rudimentary insights, Brett and Chizz who aren't exactly pouring over OPTA and heat maps and the part time Gazette lad running between Wigan and here and writing clickbair headlines. It's not his fault!

If you're a premier league fan, you're bombarded by data and insights. It's not just the 'quality' of the individuals on telly, but the whole set up. Whole articles are written about stuff like 'why Veran is king of the second ball' or suchlike and programmes are produced by teams of analysts clipping up things to illustrate data points.

What you get then is closer to the managers experience as the manager is also closely analysing, rewatching and being fed all sorts of data and moments of games - that's happening for Critchley but not for us.

It was when I was convinced CJ was a mental idea at wing back and I looked at his stats and they weren't actually so bad that I think I noticed that most this season. I e. I thought 'ok, maybe Critch isn't just working off a hunch' - equally (and I know it's only an occasional feature) it convinced me that CC is not and should not be an inverted wing back as his stats were awful. I.e. one set of data challenges a view but another confirms it. Critch then stopped playing him there. I'm presuming for a similar reason I saw- i.e. the data clearly showed he added very little in an attacking sense.

Anyone can look at the data obviously but the difference is, at a higher level someone will interpret it for you and present quite complex stories from it.

It's a shame Conor doesn't do more of it as I liked his weird wheels of players attributes and such. I liked how they represented actual information not opinion.

I think I'm saying that at this level there's still the same hunger for insight but it's reliant on forums and oddballs to do it in their spare time and therefore sometimes we can become over focussed or over reliant on fan media content as there's very little else which amplifies its effect. The club media is very formulaic and doesn't really give any great insight to anything. It's very much 'generic corporate media 101' but for £2 I'm not moaning. It's fine.
 
td53 said:
Aye.

Or he sometimes just bins them off. You can never know.

I've genuinely never watched an entire game back. I don't at all dismiss it. I just can't find/justify the time.

I have got more intrigued of late by how stats can balance the impression you get of the game. I also think it's quite interesting because you get a little insight into what a manager might be guided by.

I think our level is an odd one in that there's a real divide between how the game is covered and the hunger for engagement . It tends to be fairly rudimentary insights, Brett and Chizz who aren't exactly pouring over OPTA and heat maps and the part time Gazette lad running between Wigan and here and writing clickbair headlines. It's not his fault!

If you're a premier league fan, you're bombarded by data and insights. It's not just the 'quality' of the individuals on telly, but the whole set up. Whole articles are written about stuff like 'why Veran is king of the second ball' or suchlike and programmes are produced by teams of analysts clipping up things to illustrate data points.

What you get then is closer to the managers experience as the manager is also closely analysing, rewatching and being fed all sorts of data and moments of games - that's happening for Critchley but not for us.

It was when I was convinced CJ was a mental idea at wing back and I looked at his stats and they weren't actually so bad that I think I noticed that most this season. I e. I thought 'ok, maybe Critch isn't just working off a hunch' - equally (and I know it's only an occasional feature) it convinced me that CC is not and should not be an inverted wing back as his stats were awful. I.e. one set of data challenges a view but another confirms it. Critch then stopped playing him there. I'm presuming for a similar reason I saw- i.e. the data clearly showed he added very little in an attacking sense.

Anyone can look at the data obviously but the difference is, at a higher level someone will interpret it for you and present quite complex stories from it.

It's a shame Conor doesn't do more of it as I liked his weird wheels of players attributes and such. I liked how they represented actual information not opinion.

I think I'm saying that at this level there's still the same hunger for insight but it's reliant on forums and oddballs to do it in their spare time and therefore sometimes we can become over focussed or over reliant on fan media content as there's very little else which amplifies its effect. The club media is very formulaic and doesn't really give any great insight to anything. It's very much 'generic corporate media 101' but for £2 I'm not moaning. It's fine.
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I know I'm focusing on the Connolly thing again but I do think it's a valid point, because I tend to agree with you that he's definitely not a LWB. In fact, I think that the success of this system fundamentally relies on the use of wingers as wingbacks.

However, as I've kept saying there are also times during a game when you are looking to solidify and retain possession (ideally in the opposition half). In those circumstances, I really don.t have an issue with Connolly in that inverted WB Role... He poses a threat (not dissimilar to Carey) from the long range shots in that danger area at the corners of the 18 yard box, which we are targeting.

We used that 'keep the ball' and containing option with Kouassi late in the Cheltenham Game was it? and I think that's where a CC comes into their own... Just keeping possession, winding down the clock, stopping the opposition getting out of their half etc.. It's a different type of possession, we're not trying to get the ball across for example, but it's effective 'in small doses' in the right circumstances.

For want of a better expression its a case of OK Callum get on there and pin them in the corner.

In fact if you look at what he was doing, it's almost like the whole gaining territory thing in Rugby...When the ball comes our LWB position he plays a ball down the line that forces them to put it out of play and then we sit in from the throw in etc.. really quite basic stuff, but effective at that stage.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I know I'm focusing on the Connolly thing again but I do think it's a valid point, because I tend to agree with you that he's definitely not a LWB. In fact, I think that the success of this system fundamentally relies on the use of wingers as wingbacks.

However, as I've kept saying there are also times during a game when you are looking to solidify and retain possession (ideally in the opposition half). In those circumstances, I really don.t have an issue with Connolly in that inverted WB Role... He poses a threat (not dissimilar to Carey) from the long range shots in that danger area at the corners of the 18 yard box, which we are targeting.

We used that 'keep the ball' and containing option with Kouassi late in the Cheltenham Game was it? and I think that's where a CC comes into their own... Just keeping possession, winding down the clock, stopping the opposition getting out of their half etc.. It's a different type of possession, we're not trying to get the ball across for example, but it's effective 'in small doses' in the right circumstances.

For want of a better expression its a case of OK Callum get on there and pin them in the corner.
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I don't disagree but at the point we had no Dembele and weren't even playing Carey from the start the LWB had to offer a threat because realistically that was our go to attacking/creativity approach at that point.

CC is the very definition of the stop gap utility player who can close down a game. I agree there. That wasn't how he was initially used.

It's also, to be completely clear, not how Critch used him for very long either.
 
AngelBFC said:
Critchley- Ill be judging him at the end of the season.

Nothing i've seen so far would justify sacking him. His track record with us is decent and we are currently not in any danger. If we had spent fortunes on players different.
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So avoiding being dragged in a relegation dogdight is a positive?
 
td53 said:
I don't disagree but at the point we had no Dembele and weren't even playing Carey from the start the LWB had to offer a threat because realistically that was our go to attacking/creativity approach at that point.

CC is the very definition of the stop gap utility player who can close down a game. I agree there. That wasn't how he was initially used.

It's also, to be completely clear, not how Critch used him for very long either.
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He did play the first game obviously , but then Lyons was given the role for the next 3 games and until his bereavement... I'm not sure whether CC was just viewed as a stop gap at that point or what... We'll never know.. The thing with Critchley though and it's something you alluded to the other night, he can feel like he almost over-steps the mark by giving something what feels like that 'one chance too many' to work and sometimes it pays off... However it does tend to only be one chance too many and then he will move on.

And that's not something I think you can really blame him for, because I do think if you are asking a player to do something a bit different or in the case of Tashan you are trying to give a player an opportunity to break into the side, you do have to go with it and give it a proper chance to work, before just throwing the idea in the bin.

To that extent, I do think (whilst we're getting this system perfected) fans need to just step back a bit from the brink (and all of this Critchley Out) nonsense and give him a bit of leeway to make a few mistakes if necessary, because ultimately I think that's how we get to where we really want to be.

There are quick fixes... I think most of us can see that.... We could possibly play 442 keep it simple and win more games in the short term perhaps.. Likewise I'm sure Dobbie could come in with a round pegs in round holes approach that worked for a while t least, but is that where we want to be in the long term?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think he is 'inadvertently' shoring it up by playing Dembele and Lavery... As I said on another thread I think Dembele allows us to retain possession in the opposition half and offers options for the wide men (in particular, he's worked well for CJ)... Without that, we have a tendency to lose possession and get caught out on the break.... In addition Lavery will often regain lost possession and again helps the process of defending in the opposition half.

Just a theory for now, but I'm going with it 👍
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Lavery's issue is that while he does chase back and regsin possession, it's his terrible first touch that loses it in the first place.

What was that when one on one in the opening moments of the second half, for example?
 
tangysider said:
So avoiding being dragged in a relegation dogdight is a positive?
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Compared to last season yes. I wont be doing cartwheels and ill be disappointed we didnt go up but i wouldnt consider it to be a catastrophic season no way.

Most clubs in the division wont be going up.
 
Wizaard said:
Lavery's issue is that while he does chase back and regsin possession, it's his terrible first touch that loses it in the first place.

What was that when one on one in the opening moments of the second half, for example?
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I think his first touch is generally quite good to be honest, the one after half time in my opinion was when he was at pace and lost his feet a bit, nothing wrong with his first touch scoring the third goal
 
Wizaard said:
Lavery's issue is that while he does chase back and regsin possession, it's his terrible first touch that loses it in the first place.

What was that when one on one in the opening moments of the second half, for example?
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Interesting. Personally I think The Wasp's biggest attribute and failing are the same. He chases everything. The + is obvious, the - is that he's on the limit for yellows and injuries (as we've seen).

I think he needs to learn more non contact closing down and to be played out and out left of centre. He has much more to offer than we're getting from him. Why? That's the debate isn't it?
 
bramn33 said:
I think his first touch is generally quite good to be honest, the one after half time in my opinion was when he was at pace and lost his feet a bit, nothing wrong with his first touch scoring the third goal
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Difference of opinion. Mine is it doesn't stick when played up to him with his back to goal.
 
fcblackpool said:
Interesting. Personally I think The Wasp's biggest attribute and failing are the same. He chases everything. The + is obvious, the - is that he's on the limit for yellows and injuries (as we've seen).

I think he needs to learn more non contact closing down and to be played out and out left of centre. He has much more to offer than we're getting from him. Why? That's the debate isn't it?
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The wasp 🐝😂😂
 
This thread is ace. Started as a rant by Mosser about the crowd's reaction to us us being crap, then being brilliant, then blowing a lead against a tinpot opponent. Then morphed into a full on dissection of the Pod-athon! My comment on the latter would be great work, but watch for the elliptical discussions and box them off early. Martin Scorsese produces shorter edits than last night's epic 🤣
 
Mark_GT said:
This thread is ace. Started as a rant by Mosser about the crowd's reaction to us us being crap, then being brilliant, then blowing a lead against a tinpot opponent. Then morphed into a full on dissection of the Pod-athon! My comment on the latter would be great work, but watch for the elliptical discussions and box them off early. Martin Scorsese produces shorter edits than last night's epic 🤣
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That’s what I love about this place…. Any other forum (especially that Knobbers online place) and you’d have moderators breathing down your neck to “Keep it on Topic”…

On here every thread is like a randomly ambling conversation over a few beers in the pub 😂
 
Mark_GT said:
This thread is ace. Started as a rant by Mosser about the crowd's reaction to us us being crap, then being brilliant, then blowing a lead against a tinpot opponent. Then morphed into a full on dissection of the Pod-athon! My comment on the latter would be great work, but watch for the elliptical discussions and box them off early. Martin Scorsese produces shorter edits than last night's epic 🤣
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It was never a rant by the way, more a public information service 😉
 
How about picking a team around the best players you have available and the best system to play them in. Not shoehorning players who aren't good enough into the team, because we have to play two defensive midfielders. It's called management.
 
rememberlesshannon said:
How about picking a team around the best players you have available and the best system to play them in. Not shoehorning players who aren't good enough into the team, because we have to play two defensive midfielders. It's called management.
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It’s called ‘Compromise’

And it’s not worth it over the long term
 
rememberlesshannon said:
How about picking a team around the best players you have available and the best system to play them in. Not shoehorning players who aren't good enough into the team, because we have to play two defensive midfielders. It's called management.
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You can’t go around trying to sandwich players into positions that don’t suit them. It just makes us easy to easy to roll over. Critchley just needs to pick up the baton and run with it.
 
clappers said:
You can’t go around trying to sandwich players into positions that don’t suit them. It just makes us easy to easy to roll over. Critchley just needs to pick up the baton and run with it.
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I'm not sure what you're saying ?
Rhodes and Lavery with Dembele behind and Connolly in the OB position ( given no Norburn) isn't a bad starting point. OB has played 3 games and on each occasion we improved massively when he was subbed. Bizarrely he didn't even make the squad for the Cheltenham match, but started the one before and the two after.
The other thing that amazes me is, we went from trying to break the world record for signing left backs to having one ( Thompson ) if we are counting Husband as a centre back. I refuse to believe that Critchley came to the club with the thought in his head CJ and Dale would be his preferred wing back pairing.
 
clappers said:
You can’t go around trying to sandwich players into positions that don’t suit them. It just makes us easy to easy to roll over. Critchley just needs to pick up the baton and run with it.
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If I want a Cheese and Piccalilli sandwich, then I want a Cheese and Piccalilli sandwich … If I go to the Fridge and there’s Cheese and Branston Pickle that’s just not going to cut it.

So I take my bread, stick some butter on it whack on the cheese and I ring up the supermarket to check on the availability of Piccalilli in the January sales. In the meantime I tell the Branston to start acting like Piccalilli ‘OR ELSE’
 
I want to drive a rolls Royce but I'm driving a bubble car. After 3 weeks I realise I've got a rolls Royce sat in the garage and I could have been driving it all the time. I was going to try and buy a Rolls Royce in January, but I've had one all along, how stupid am I.
 
rememberlesshannon said:
I want to drive a rolls Royce but I'm driving a bubble car. After 3 weeks I realise I've got a rolls Royce sat in the garage and I could have been driving it all the time. I was going to try and buy a Rolls Royce in January, but I've had one all along, how stupid am
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I think I’d stick to driving the bubble car… The Rolls Royce keeps breaking down halfway through your journey 😂
 
clappers said:
You can’t go around trying to sandwich players into positions that don’t suit them. It just makes us easy to easy to roll over. Critchley just needs to pick up the baton and run with it.
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Any more of this fare and he'll be toast by Christmas.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Have to say his selections defy logic
Can’t say I was surprised by the negative comments towards him
Surely it’s not that hard to pick the best starting 11
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TAM, it’s probably harder than you think mate
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Let’s say we have 18 core players so how many permutations would there be to actually know what the best starting XI is?
Plus, different teams play different formations, have different strengths and weaknesses so a manager has to decide what he thinks is the best starting XI to combat that.
Also consider a player has an off day (which the majority do at some stage) and when that happens the manager bears the brunt even though that player has probably excelled in training and was a no brainer to start.
It amuses me when supporters accuse managers of “tinkering “ (not aimed at you) and yet they regularly berate a manager for not starting certain players. Therefore if a manager changes a couple of players at the demand of the supporters (which he should never do) then surely that is also “tinkering” with the team.
 
First half we got ourselves into a pickle. I thought it was goodnight Vienna .

The second half was like chalk and cheese compared to the first .

The fact that he can change it to such an extent is a real positive imo .
 
AngelBFC said:
First half we got ourselves into a pickle. I thought it was goodnight Vienna .

The second half was like chalk and cheese compared to the first .

The fact that he can change it to such an extent is a real positive imo .
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The fact he didn't start it is a real negative imo
 
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