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TimperleyTangerine

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I’ll start by saying that the post on Saturday questioning his ability to be a professional footballer was a disgrace. My opinion of course.

Last year I posted about Jerry, for fans to get off his back. He proved many wrong and now we ask why Critch isn’t playing him.

CJ has had a torrid time, just 28 league appearances across 2 seasons, just 5 this season and under 200 minutes game time. Fans have short memories, he was outstanding and a match winner for us.

On Saturday he came on as sub and yes missed chances, but he put in 2 crosses for Lavery that were sitters, one a glancing header the other a volley from 6 yards. If those go in, we win the game and fans would be saying great to have CJ back.

Get off his back - he can be a match winner again for us. He needs confidence and our support. Last season he scored 5 and had 3 assists in just 23 league appearances (1751 minutes of game time). That record stands up very well against others.
 
He still has his pace.
A couple of his crosses should have been ‘assists’ for goals, and then the mood changes. Not his fault Lavery was having an off day as well. Continue to use him (I’d use him as a sub to help defend a lead and take the ball upfield / have a few shots to try and get something). Agree - He seems like a confidence type player and he’s got none at the moment. Getting on his back won’t help. Before his injury he was looking like a real asset. Some of his bad traits might be improved with another coach coming in.
 
At the start of last season he was our main outlet with his pace, technically he was never a great footballer but his pace made him a threat.

I've said the same on the board a few times, since his injury problems, which for a sprinter are a big problem, he seems to have lost that blistering pace. He either can't run as fast anymore or he's scared to hit top speed and slows down as he's worried about injuring himself again, in my opinion it's the latter.

Let's be honest, technically as a footballer he's never been the best, ala Theo Walcott, especially since his injuries his first touch and control have been absolutely abysmal, that's nothing to do with confidence unfortunately, without that frightening speed he's a L2/Conference level footballer.

Edited to add: I don't agree with the level of reaction and writing off a player.
 
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TimperleyTangerine said:
I’ll start by saying that the post on Saturday questioning his ability to be a professional footballer was a disgrace. My opinion of course.

Last year I posted about Jerry, for fans to get off his back. He proved many wrong and now we ask why Critch isn’t playing him.

CJ has had a torrid time, just 28 league appearances across 2 seasons, just 5 this season and under 200 minutes game time. Fans have short memories, he was outstanding and a match winner for us.

On Saturday he came on as sub and yes missed chances, but he put in 2 crosses for Lavery that were sitters, one a glancing header the other a volley from 6 yards. If those go in, we win the game and fans would be saying great to have CJ back.

Get off his back - he can be a match winner again for us. He needs confidence and our support. Last season he scored 5 and had 3 assists in just 23 league appearances (1751 minutes of game time). That record stands up very well against others.
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At last, a sensible and balanced post regarding CJ.
Can't wait until Beesley has a 20 minute cameo from the bench and fails to score....worse than Malkin !
 
HighfieldSeasider said:
At the start of last season he was our main outlet with his pace, technically he was never a great footballer but his pace made him a threat.

I've said the same on the board a few times, since his injury problems, which for a sprinter are a big problem, he seems to have lost that blistering pace. He either can't run as fast anymore or he's scared to hit top speed and slows down as he's worried about injuring himself again, in my opinion it's the latter.

Let's be honest, technically as a footballer he's never been the best, ala Theo Walcott, especially since his injuries his first touch and control have been absolutely abysmal, that's nothing to do with confidence unfortunately, without that frightening speed he's a L2/Conference level footballer.

Edited to add: I don't agree with the level of reaction and writing off a player.
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His touch is his biggest area for improvement, but his passing and finishing was often crisp and high quality.

We’ve given Bowler 26 league appearances and we’ve seen him gradually improve. Sure CJ will only get better with game time.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I’ll start by saying that the post on Saturday questioning his ability to be a professional footballer was a disgrace. My opinion of course.

Last year I posted about Jerry, for fans to get off his back. He proved many wrong and now we ask why Critch isn’t playing him.

CJ has had a torrid time, just 28 league appearances across 2 seasons, just 5 this season and under 200 minutes game time. Fans have short memories, he was outstanding and a match winner for us.

On Saturday he came on as sub and yes missed chances, but he put in 2 crosses for Lavery that were sitters, one a glancing header the other a volley from 6 yards. If those go in, we win the game and fans would be saying great to have CJ back.

Get off his back - he can be a match winner again for us. He needs confidence and our support. Last season he scored 5 and had 3 assists in just 23 league appearances (1751 minutes of game time). That record stands up very well against others.
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I’m afraid, from what I have seen last season and this season, (limited I understand), that CJ doesn’t have the ability nor quality to play in the Championship.

He is lightning quick, that isn’t up for debate. But, other than that, he doesn’t really offer much. He isn’t technically great, I don’t think.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
I’m afraid, from what I have seen last season and this season, (limited I understand), that CJ doesn’t have the ability nor quality to play in the Championship.

He is lightning quick, that isn’t up for debate. But, other than that, he doesn’t really offer much. He isn’t technically great, I don’t think.
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Suggest you Google his goals, including against a top international keeper v Liverpool.
 
Good o/p.
Very few players can return straight to form. Raheem Sterling at the Euros was unplayable - up until he’d had a few games under his belt, he was well off the pace.

The Bowler thread that Middxile started plus Memphis constant attacks on Jerry are just fine examples of either lack of intelligence or plain petulance that we see on the bb.

I thought kids were bad, but we’ve some absolute whoppers on this board at times. Give him a chance to get a few games in - we are not over blessed with options right now
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
Ahhhh.. You mean where he dispossessed a young lad, went 1 on 1 and scored.

That should be the bare minimum expected from an attacker in the Championship. 🤣
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Could you mention that to a certain S. Lavery.
I wasn't calling CJ The Messiah when he started last season on fire. How many people who thought our season was over when he got injured, are now slagging him off.
The Messiah or not fit to be a pro footballer, surely there is some middle ground. Maybe he's just a very naughty boy !
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
I’ll start by saying that the post on Saturday questioning his ability to be a professional footballer was a disgrace. My opinion of course.

Last year I posted about Jerry, for fans to get off his back. He proved many wrong and now we ask why Critch isn’t playing him.

CJ has had a torrid time, just 28 league appearances across 2 seasons, just 5 this season and under 200 minutes game time. Fans have short memories, he was outstanding and a match winner for us.

On Saturday he came on as sub and yes missed chances, but he put in 2 crosses for Lavery that were sitters, one a glancing header the other a volley from 6 yards. If those go in, we win the game and fans would be saying great to have CJ back.

Get off his back - he can be a match winner again for us. He needs confidence and our support. Last season he scored 5 and had 3 assists in just 23 league appearances (1751 minutes of game time). That record stands up very well against others.
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This is the kind of post that appeals to me.
A long time ago I was given this advice: “If you want to give a work colleague bad news, tear a strip off them or discipline them, do it in private. On the other hand, if it’s good news, tell every one.”
How would CJ be feeling after Saturday. No better than the rest of the team, I think. Eleven players to blame? Coaching? Seen it all before?
At worst, I don’t think CJ is up to pre-injury speed yet. But, Hartlepool defenders weren’t stopping him. If Keshi is out long term, we may need a focussed CJ.

If they’re wearing tangerine, support them.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
CJ will know most of the people slagging him off won't have been good enough themselves for Blackpool & Fylde Sunday League Division Four.
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To be fair, I played in Division Two😉

I'm happy to give him game time. It's not like we're overblessed with numbers at the moment.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
Ahhhh.. You mean where he dispossessed a young lad, went 1 on 1 and scored.

That should be the bare minimum expected from an attacker in the Championship. 🤣
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That’s an interesting take on a very well taken goal, beats a player for pace, runs half the length of the pitch, cuts inside and buries it past a top class keeper. Pace, composure and finishing!

WTF do you want.
 
Saturday was disappointing and a game we should have won.However, after sleeping on it, it's the FA cup, surprises always happen and we hardly have a great FA cup pedigree in the last 50 years.I used to love the FA cup when I was a kid, but like football in general, since the top prize for the big clubs is the money in the EPL and the Euro championship and in reality, as far as we are concerned the Championship is out priority. We played a full strength team and still lost and worse than that we lost 2 of our best players to long term injuries, so I would rather we had not had the game at all and I have no interest in the FA cup now when in years gone by I used to follow each round avidly. It's been diluted so much now it's just a bit of a hinderance. Prior to this in the Christmas games we took 6 points from a possible 12 and we could, and should have got 10. We are a decent side and learning with every game, we will continue to improve and I am positive we will finish comfortably mid table and progress next season. If you remember our first season back in the Championship in 07/08 we could have gone down on the last day and look how that turned out 2 seasons later!

As for CJ, if you go back and look at the game he made 2 crosses that should have been buried by Lavery and he also had 2 great chances himself. That isn't bad for a player who when we first got him and he was terrorising defences in league 1 we were all drooling over his ability and thought he was worth big money. Then he got a bad injury and it's only since he came back after is short lived return at the start of the season and had an operation that he has returned and barely played at all. He clearly has his pace back and he will be itching to get a run in the team and show what he can do and we need to support him. He's a different sort of player to Bowler, CJ's about pace, he doesn't have the ball glued to his feet like Bowler but for my money he has a better out ball and he is going to score more goals than Bowler, I'd actually love to see him play up front too.

My main concern isn't the players who we have available, it's the amount we have long term injured. We need some really good news about some of the injured in regard to them returning soon, if they don't, which seems unlikely as even if they have got over it they have to get match fit again so the players we have our vital to the rest of this season. We have 18 players fit for first team duty with no central midfielder other than Kenny. So, 2 midfield players are absolutely essential, we need to buy one and loan another I think. What we don't want to see are players being sold, it would be madness unless the money was too good to turn down and we had replacements lined up, but not in January, if we are going to do it let's do it in the summer not now, lose Bowler and Gretts and we are down to 16 players!!

We all get emotional during a game and blurt out stuff in reaction, I'm badly guilty of it, but on reflection we have had a great season so far, a few new players in, a few back from injury and we will be absolutely fine. It will be interesting to see if some of these players won't actually return from injury. If we had Stewart, Ward & Virtue fit and playing now, we would be fine, but I am worried that a couple of them may not be able to play at the level again because of injury and that would be desperately sad for the players if it happens. Let's hope they are all fully fit for later this season.
 
HighfieldSeasider said:
At the start of last season he was our main outlet with his pace, technically he was never a great footballer but his pace made him a threat.

I've said the same on the board a few times, since his injury problems, which for a sprinter are a big problem, he seems to have lost that blistering pace. He either can't run as fast anymore or he's scared to hit top speed and slows down as he's worried about injuring himself again, in my opinion it's the latter.

Let's be honest, technically as a footballer he's never been the best, ala Theo Walcott, especially since his injuries his first touch and control have been absolutely abysmal, that's nothing to do with confidence unfortunately, without that frightening speed he's a L2/Conference level footballer.

Edited to add: I don't agree with the level of reaction and writing off a player.
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Remember, he had a screw put into his foot (not sure when, but before this season), it wasn't done well and caused him problems which no doubt affected his performance, the operation has been redone, hopefully if he's better now he can step up to the standard required.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
That’s an interesting take on a very well taken goal, beats a player for pace, runs half the length of the pitch, cuts inside and buries it past a top class keeper. Pace, composure and finishing!

WTF do you want.
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Don’t even bother replying to this idiot, @TimperleyTangerine . New member. Not sure if he’s a WUM or a nobber or both.

That CJ goal was class no matter what level it was scored at.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
So you’re saying CJ Hamilton is technically good?
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His weakness is his first touch. As I’ve already posted, his passing and finishing is generally good.

Is he technically top class, who is at this level. He does have scope to improve his first touch.

What you can’t do is coach pace, and he can match that with an end product.
 
Pretty sure Beesley will need wingers to get the best out of him. Keshi will be out till end March at least, so it is CJ or Dale on the left to provide chances, and Dale may not be around.
 
LeedsSeasider said:
Don’t even bother replying to this idiot, @TimperleyTangerine . New member. Not sure if he’s a WUM or a nobber or both.

That CJ goal was class no matter what level it was scored at.
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It is simply a difference in opinions regarding a footballer.

I’m a season ticket holder in Block B.. I forgot that if you’re a new member of AVFTT that you aren’t allowed an opinion.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Suggest you Google his goals, including against a top international keeper v Liverpool.
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If we’re judging him on this season alone, he’s missed 4 absolute sitters, which have cost us points and a Cup run.

Coventry, West Brom and two on Saturday.

Could be a confidence thing, returning from injury etc. But he’s been poor in every game he’s played.

He did put two decent crosses in Saturday but also hit the first man over 5 times with his crosses. It’s mad how Bowler is judged on assists only, yet we’re using crosses now and a goal in a friendly for the CJ argument.

The comparison with support for Bowler is weak and a poor one. Bowler started the season really well with us.

There has not been one Championship game where CJ has looked anything but lost so far.

Not digging him out, just being honest.

I hope he comes good, but he’s nowhere near the player Bowler is. To suggest it, is mad.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
His weakness is his first touch. As I’ve already posted, his passing and finishing is generally good.

Is he technically top class, who is at this level. He does have scope to improve his first touch.

What you can’t do is coach pace, and he can match that with an end product.
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His finishing is good 😂🙈 this has to be a joke.

I would suggest if he’s not got a touch by now I don’t think he’ll be able to improve that much. He’s never really had one, his game is raw pace & there’s not much else.

Not saying he can’t be an asset but I would question his footballing brain on him using it.
 
Adams Kebab said:
If we’re judging him on this season alone, he’s missed 4 absolute sitters, which have cost us points and a Cup run.

Coventry, West Brom and two on Saturday.

Could be a confidence thing, returning from injury etc. But he’s been poor in every game he’s played.

He did put two decent crosses in Saturday but also hit the first man over 5 times with his crosses. It’s mad how Bowler is judged on assists only, yet we’re using crosses now and a goal in a friendly for the CJ argument.

The comparison with support for Bowler is weak and a poor one. Bowler started the season really well with us.

There has not been one Championship game where CJ has looked anything but lost so far.

Not digging him out, just being honest.

I hope he comes good, but he’s nowhere near the player Bowler is. To suggest it, is mad.
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Not digging him out, really?

CJ has played less than 200 minutes this season, Bowler has appeared in 26 league games and has improved his all round game.

It’s clearly obvious that CJ will benefit from playing regularly. It’s clearly unfair for fans to rubbish him, after a major injury and so little game time. It’s madness to suggest otherwise.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Not digging him out, really?

CJ has played less than 200 minutes this season, Bowler has appeared in 26 league games and has improved his all round game.

It’s clearly obvious that CJ will benefit from playing regularly. It’s clearly unfair for fans to rubbish him, after a major injury and so little game time. It’s madness to suggest otherwise.
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No it’s not. You really cannot be comparing CJ and Bowler.

Honest, it’s not fair on CJ to do so.

He’s had some injuries and when he’s come on he’s looked poor and missed a couple of East chances. That’s not digging him out just being honest. There has also been zero threat offensively from him. Remind me but I can’t remember him beating his man or going on a run at all in any game this season.

He did put a couple of good crosses in Saturday but besides two crosses he was very poor in his all round play.

Bowler was too but the difference is, he’s now a proven Championship quality talent, CJ has a lot of work to do this.

Let’s hope he comes good, personally I don’t see it but football is all about opinions.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:

Joke, no!
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Good goals.

But this season, he’s missed two easy chances v Coventry and West Brom. Didn’t look comfortable at all with both. Same on Saturday.

Last season he was one of main threats early on no doubt about it, but he’s not shown anything like that this season, granted injury disrupted.

When was his last good game 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️ Not being funny genuinely asking? 2020? Was it Hull he got the winner against in December?

Also, his injury record isn’t great is it. I want players who can play.
 
Can’t now say a Blackpool player is poor incase it hurts peoples feelings. What about the feelings of the fans who travel up and down the country every week that pays their wages.if I consistently performed shite at my job then I would have issues for some reason footballers seem to just be able to play and have whatever attitude they want and it’s fine. The longer this snowflake bollocks carry’s on the more players won’t give a shit about performances.
 
Northstandsinger said:
None of us are as good as any professional players that doesn’t mean we can’t have an opinion on a Blackpool fc football message board 🤡.
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No but there comes a point where some people's criticism shows they haven't a clue what they are talking about. Anyone who has played at a higher level will better understand how difficult it is to perform consistently well at a professional level and not just say childish things like "how is he a professional?" or "should never play for us again".
 
Northstandsinger said:
Can’t now say a Blackpool player is poor incase it hurts peoples feelings. What about the feelings of the fans who travel up and down the country every week that pays their wages.if I consistently performed shite at my job then I would have issues for some reason footballers seem to just be able to play and have whatever attitude they want and it’s fine. The longer this snowflake bollocks carry’s on the more players won’t give a shit about performances.
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Who doesn't give a shit about their performances? I'm not seeing that from our squad at all.
 
Northstandsinger said:
Can’t now say a Blackpool player is poor incase it hurts peoples feelings. What about the feelings of the fans who travel up and down the country every week that pays their wages.if I consistently performed shite at my job then I would have issues for some reason footballers seem to just be able to play and have whatever attitude they want and it’s fine. The longer this snowflake bollocks carry’s on the more players won’t give a shit about performances.
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" consistently performed shite "
CJ has hardly kicked a ball for us in 18 months, but I suppose you can warp facts to suit any agenda.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
No but there comes a point where some people's criticism shows they haven't a clue what they are talking about. Anyone who has played at a higher level will better understand how difficult it is to perform consistently well at a professional level and not just say childish things like "how is he a professional?" or "should never play for us again".
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I have said neither and I’m talking about footballers in general they get paid very well and a lot these days don’t really seem to give a shit man United a massive example. Football is a spectator sport it costs lots to follow teams if they play poor they will be pulled up for it.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Not digging him out, really?

CJ has played less than 200 minutes this season, Bowler has appeared in 26 league games and has improved his all round game.

It’s clearly obvious that CJ will benefit from playing regularly. It’s clearly unfair for fans to rubbish him, after a major injury and so little game time. It’s madness to suggest otherwise.
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Almost everyone has called for him to go out on loan.

Send him to Gillingham or wherever and if he tears it up and gets back to match fitness, fantastic.

But he really isn't what we need right now and he's getting eaten alive by Championship standard players because he's 1 dimensional. He makes us one dimensional too at times.
 
Northstandsinger said:
Ok since he’s come back he hasn’t played 1 good game he’s missed 4 huge chances and cost us points.
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How many full games has he played in that period ? If Keshi is out, he may get a run of games that will see him return to the player he was. Who knows ?
Maybe give him a chance other than a few minutes, in a handful of games off the bench and not get on his back when he makes a mistake.
 
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