Pint_of_lager
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No perfectly ok
Unless you live in Newcastle/north east area then youād be breaching regulations
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Confusion Over The Rules
- Thread starter TwelveAngryMen
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BFC_BFC_BFC
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I suppose with a pub or restaurant, you ought to expect that the owner / landlord would be armed with all the information you need. So perhaps give them a call if you are worried...
The ones I've been at in Wales, you get an information leaflet at your table and the host explains the rules as they seat you.
The ones I've been at in Wales, you get an information leaflet at your table and the host explains the rules as they seat you.
Shandypants
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I'm with Kazza on this issue. I don't understand why people need to push the boundaries of what is acceptable. I'm not bothering the pubs or eating out, I'm generally avoiding people (other than work which is outside 75%) if everyone buckled down it would suppress the virus, forget your haircut, false tanning sessions and half a shandy it's not really a big deal is it?Iāve gone into that already! Blimey o reilly
Sorry TAM if youāre really that confused I must appear rather harsh, but Iām seriously frustrated at the lack of common sense here, donāt get it at all.
Woolly Mammoth
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Back in the days of āfull lockdownā you said you were going into the office 5+ days per week and āpopping intoā the shop on the way pretty much every day āfor bits and bobsā and you ended up catching COVID so itās a bit rich for you to now criticise others just because they are querying the rules/ law/guidance.
Lala
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Factually incorrect.
I was a keyworker who had no choice but to go into the office.
I have no car and went into my local shop for essentials when required,
I thought I had Covid in February prior to any lockdown.
Scroll back through all my avftt posts and you will
find I am making factually correct statements, unlike you.
Do your homework eh, or donāt come at me with your inaccurate accusations, otherwise you lose credibility and wreck the validity of honest debate at the same time .
Woolly Mammoth
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You definitely said you were going into the shop most days on your way to and from work.
Woolly Mammoth
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Edit to add during lockdown when shop visits should have been for essentials only.
Lala
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I did, for essentials. I had no no car and at that time a broken fridge. I went into my local shop most days and social distanced after my day at work as a key worker.
I got the bus to Sainsburyās once a week for non perishables.
In May I bought a new fridge, so frequented my local shop less so.
Again, factually correct.
Sorry, case dismissed. Try again. Iām basically a
very honest person sometimes too honest, but there you have it. No hypocrisy.
And it was on my way home from work, never to work.
Woolly Mammoth
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āMost daysā in the local shop for āessentialsā plus a weekly supermarket shop. You must have a big family as the three of us were making do with a weekly supermarket shop plus a weekly trip to the local shop for the things the supermarket had run out of.
Lala
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I have no car so 2 carrier bags of non perishable items from Sainsburyās is hardly a big family
There were transport police on the buses, which I think I also alluded to were nothing but nice and had no problem with my weekly trip given the circs it was all legit.My fridge was broken so I went to my local shop for milk and perishables as and when required, most days or the majority at least.
I actually bought a second hand fridge from Derbyshireās at Deansgate whilst doing a Sainsburyās weekly shop and had to rush home as they were delivering it an hour after purchase. Call them and check.
You have some kind of point you want to prove that you simply canāt. I deal in facts.
Lala
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An apology for doubting my integrity would be nice but isnāt expected.
So just stop making false accusations would be the next best acceptable option
Cheers.
Wizaard
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I don't think it helps anyone to have the virtual COVID police on the case. Especially from six months ago.An apology for doubting my integrity would be nice but isnāt expected.
So just stop making false accusations would be the next best acceptable option
Cheers.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Jesus Christ... Your accusations have been shown to be wildly innscurate, so you hone in on someoneās grocery shopping arrangements??
Have a word with yourself!
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TwelveAngryMen
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Interestingly they have a Human Rights barrister Adam Wagner on Radio 5 Live just now who admits that he struggled to follow all the rules having scrutinised them specifically for the show - saying ā as best as I can work out ā ā I think ā ā I canāt guarantee this but I understand ā etc
So it seems I am in good company
Heās also said the NW rules ( exc Manchester ) have been upgraded to mirror the NE this week
Did anyone on here even know that ?
Bearing in mind the risk of criminal charges and large fines being imposed on anyone not following these rules / laws this rush to criminalisation is frankly unacceptable
So it seems I am in good company
Heās also said the NW rules ( exc Manchester ) have been upgraded to mirror the NE this week
Did anyone on here even know that ?
Bearing in mind the risk of criminal charges and large fines being imposed on anyone not following these rules / laws this rush to criminalisation is frankly unacceptable
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Wizaard
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Not quite the same, is it.
glasshalffull
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I bet you nearly all cricketers fully understand the lbw rules, but maybe not the Duckworth-Lewis Method.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Was he talking about the fact that Lancashire has the same local lockdown rules applied to the NE? (i.e. No mixing outside your family group?)
If I'm being honest mate, this all feels a bit 'Nit Picky' from the point of view of practical application to our own lives. I absolutely support the point that the Government really needs to make the rules simple and easy to understand, but I also look at the practical reality, rather than focusing on the absolute detail..
Firstly... The likelihood of large fines for anyone other than persistent offenders is non-existent
Secondly... The likelihood of those same fines standing up, if subject to legal challenge, based upon the lack of clarity alone, is non-existent
Thirdly... The basics aren't really that difficult to comprehend, so unless you are looking to push the boundaries of acceptability and do that despite being warned (probably more than once) then you really aren;t going to have an issue.
TwelveAngryMen
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Call me a ' wholly liberal ' however I think you are on a slippery slope when opaque legislation that hasn't even been debated in Parliament is utilised to criminalise actions which in the ordinary course of events would be perfectly acceptable
I also think there is something of a north / south bias here in that the Gov't are clearly reluctant to impose these restrictions on London even though the stats suggest it's justified - they say they are worried about the economic implications but I suspect it's more than that
Personally I think whatever rules there are need to be clear and applied nationally
We all know where we stand then
I also think there is something of a north / south bias here in that the Gov't are clearly reluctant to impose these restrictions on London even though the stats suggest it's justified - they say they are worried about the economic implications but I suspect it's more than that
Personally I think whatever rules there are need to be clear and applied nationally
We all know where we stand then
BFC_BFC_BFC
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We are in unprecedented times really and so to that extent I think that issues will arise, but I tend to agree that it;s a slippery slope. Perdsonally I think that the Coronavirus Act ought to be withdrawn or certainly amended significantly in order to reduce the Government powers to legislate without ongoing Parliamentary approval.
That said, I also think itls important to be pragmnatic about reality vs 'possibility'
I don't agree that measures should be National... That is far to inflexible given the nature of the problem, though I do think that the measures should be simplified to the greatest extent possible.
If we are purely talking pubs then the rules should be something along the lines...
Red Zone
Pubs Closed
Amber Zone
1. Last orders at 9:30 p.m. Closed by 10:00 p.m.
2. Must be seated unless using W.C.
3. Maximum 6 per Table
Green Zone
1. Normal Pub Hours
2. Must be seated unless using W.C.
3. Maximum 6 per table
That said, I also think itls important to be pragmnatic about reality vs 'possibility'
I don't agree that measures should be National... That is far to inflexible given the nature of the problem, though I do think that the measures should be simplified to the greatest extent possible.
If we are purely talking pubs then the rules should be something along the lines...
Red Zone
Pubs Closed
Amber Zone
1. Last orders at 9:30 p.m. Closed by 10:00 p.m.
2. Must be seated unless using W.C.
3. Maximum 6 per Table
Green Zone
1. Normal Pub Hours
2. Must be seated unless using W.C.
3. Maximum 6 per table
straightatthewall
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What about use of quiz and or fruit machines?
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Banned I'm afraid...
straightatthewall
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So displays of general intellect and mathematical sequencing are being openly banned by you and (possibly) the government. It's like Pol Pot has returned.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Sorry, but 'Rulez is Rulez'... Sit down, shut up and keep your brain to yourself sir
glasshalffull
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They appeal for lbw all the time when it is clearly nowhere near out though
Well if you donāt appeal they wonāt give it out, and the bowler, wicket keeper and other fielders donāt get as good a view as the umpire and tv camera.
BlackpoolWolves
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Rules and guidance. The way I see it is this.
Rules - whether legally encapsulated in law or just declared as "rules" by the Government...I follow completely
Guidance - I interpret the word "guidance" to mean to read and carefully consider...before making a sensible judgement call based on the circumstances.
Any "guidance" the Government expects everyone to follow should be declared as a "rule".
Example:
Early lockdown "rule" was not to travel outside of your "local area" for leisure. Therefore, I went no further than Nicky Nook (near Scorton) for my daily exercise - and did not visit the Lake District, for instance.
Michael Gove gave "guidance" that for "most people", one hour's exercise a day was reasonable. I ignored that.
Rules - whether legally encapsulated in law or just declared as "rules" by the Government...I follow completely
Guidance - I interpret the word "guidance" to mean to read and carefully consider...before making a sensible judgement call based on the circumstances.
Any "guidance" the Government expects everyone to follow should be declared as a "rule".
Example:
Early lockdown "rule" was not to travel outside of your "local area" for leisure. Therefore, I went no further than Nicky Nook (near Scorton) for my daily exercise - and did not visit the Lake District, for instance.
Michael Gove gave "guidance" that for "most people", one hour's exercise a day was reasonable. I ignored that.
No cameras in Northern Lg though
glasshalffull
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No cameras in Northern Lg though
Plenty of shortsighted, corruptible umpires though I should think
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1966_and_all_that
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Unfortunately, because Corbyn was leader of the Labour Party
Lawyers have a talent for interpreting the law to fit whatever cause or client they are representing
Halifax71
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SNP MP apologises for two cross-border train trips with coronavirus
AN SNP MP has admitted breaking lockdown rules by travelling back and forth between Scotland and London by train while positive for coronavirus.
www.heraldscotland.com
TwelveAngryMen
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Just posted it on another thread
Unbelievable
Unbelievable
LORDDROOPY
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Hey Lala, I am a newbie on here, Please do not let 'Woolly Mammoth' get to you as obviously he is one of these people who does not appreciate your worth not just as a key worker but as a human being to I guess I am making an assumption but I would guess that he is a retired man who thinks he knows everything which gives him the right to analyze and judge everything that everyone does or says?!An apology for doubting my integrity would be nice but isnāt expected.
So just stop making false accusations would be the next best acceptable option
Cheers.
I too am an old gentleman but see myself as a wise elephant rather than a 'woolly Mammoth' Let's face it Woolly Mammoths are extinct but the wise old elephant still keeps going!
I rest my case in your favor too! We need people like you Lala Be strong and safe
Lala
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Thatās very kind of you Lorddroopy
Rest assured I am staying strong and safe, and same to you
SEASIDE2020
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Thatās very kind of you Lorddroopy
Rest assured I am staying strong and safe, and same to you
I must have missed this one at the time.
Unlike Woolly, I have no problem whether you went into the office or not or with how you got there and whether you popped into the shops are not.
However, I am nosey fecker so could you please tell me why it was any better/safer for you to go to the shops on the way home rather than the way there ?
Is it just the boring answer that it was because you were buying milk and your fridge was broken ?
dodgy_surname
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What ever turns you on,weird
SEASIDE2020
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I wasn't looking to be turned on Dodgy.
Rather weird that you should come to such a conclusion but each to their own I guess.
dodgy_surname
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I always think Iāve made someone happy when I get a capital D 
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Lala
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No you canāt ask ! Because that would be double jeopardy and Iām so over this, as you should be !
Bisphamtang
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I have booked a table for meal with 4 friends on Tue 18th of may- booked on line ,masks when not sat down ,check in using NHS app and order using app from the pub
Looking forward to it
Looking forward to it
SEASIDE2020
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Thank you LALA.
There will be no further questions.
You leave this court/thread as you entered it, a free lady.
Lost Seasider
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Here's the legislation
Short answer, I think 30 max of all ages.
Longer answer:
Schedule 3, part 1, para 1(3) is the proposed rules for 17 May:
No person may participate in a gathering in the Step 3 area whichā
(a)consists of more than 30 people, and
(b)takes place outdoors.
There is no mention of age in the rules, thus it appears to apply to all ages.
Also, Schedule 3, part 1 para 3 contains general exceptions in relations to gatherings, but nothing that says that children are generally exempt from the rules.
