Corbyn suspended

Plumbs said:
Agreed although many of us knew that before the GE which unfortunately became a single agenda issue.
Poor tactically from JC and he failed to put anti-Semitism to bed, and it played right into the Tories hands.

If you give these bar stewards an inch they'll take a political mile, and the Tory election machine revved into top gear at the last election. Sadly its what they do but with Starmer we've got a fighting chance...
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The tory election machine never revved into top gear at all.
The election was all about getting Brexit done and voters in the northern heartlands agreed with the message, pure and simple.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Not sure about 'who's side they were on', it doesn't stop successive governments from being elected, who's side was Blair on, anyone?

The left won't get elected as they won't be allowed, too many vested interests would be hurt. Of course Corbyn not stopping the anti semites doesn't help.
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So if they win a majority in the Commons through securing Seats they won’t be “allowed” to form a Government??..........so you “get thrown in Prison nowadays if you say you’re English”?
 
Had to be good move ,now for mccluskey and move on from there so obviously the Tories will lose boris and get in ruski what's his name
 
I can’t get on with Starmer at all... He comes across to me as a blow with the wind type Politician with no real sense of personal conviction or ideology.

I suppose we’ll maybe find out at some point who he really is and what he’s actually about, but right now it all feels a bit stage managed and plastic.

Corbyn was who he was and he was surprisingly popular....
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I can’t get on with Starmer at all... He comes across to me as a blow with the wind type Politician with no real sense of personal conviction or ideology.

I suppose we’ll maybe find out at some point who he really is and what he’s actually about, but right now it all feels a bit stage managed and plastic.

Corbyn was who he was and he was surprisingly popular....
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With idiots.
 
tangerinenotorange said:
As you say, the trouble with Labour under Corbyn was that nobody knew what its policies were. On Brexit, Starmer wrote the book for Corbyn as a remainer and the voters rejected it. Now Starmer, the undisputed king of u-turns, is apparently pro-Brexit. He can suspend and sack whoever he chooses but still nobody knows Labour's policies. From what I can see, they consist of the opposite of the Government's policies and that's it. Starmer will have to do a lot better than that to get Labour back in the race. I blame his mother for calling him Keir.
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Absolutely, you blame his Mum. And whilst you're at it go and invent some more things about Labour that nobody knew - because they're all in your head.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I can’t get on with Starmer at all... He comes across to me as a blow with the wind type Politician with no real sense of personal conviction or ideology.

I suppose we’ll maybe find out at some point who he really is and what he’s actually about, but right now it all feels a bit stage managed and plastic.

Corbyn was who he was and he was surprisingly popular....
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you are wrong mate ....Starmer very clearly stands for .....meh.....
 
John Craven's Newsround said:
Fair enough.

What are your views on the findings of the Equality and Human Rights Commission ?
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General views only, because I've not read it in detail. It has been necessary, the findings are shaming and Labour needs to address them fully, deliberately and respond appropriately.
As I said in my first post on this thread, to me, Labour has to be anti-racist by definition. It should be the same as saying if you're a member of the Labour Party you are not allowed to be a member of the BNP.
 
No1_club said:
The tory election machine never revved into top gear at all.
The election was all about getting Brexit done and voters in the northern heartlands agreed with the message, pure and simple.
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It did when it decided May was a liability and instructed Bojo to repeat parrot fashion about 'getting Brexit done''.
I agree entirely on the voting situation where they decided it was a single issue election,but the Tories picked up on this and set out their stall accordingly.
 
Unfortunately there has always been a degree of anti semitism from a minority on the Left. Perhaps they felt emboldened by Corbyn? He should have dealt with it much quicker in the early days as there should be no place for these dickheads in the Labour Party. Once the media got their teeth into this, he was toast and even when the procedure was tightened up in 2016 it was too late..
It's a shame that this is/ has been jumped on by those on the Right/ Tories/ right wing Jewish groups because it renders any discussion about Israeli government policy or any form of prejudice within the Tory party impossible.(whataboutery)
I genuinely don't believe that these groups deep down don't know the difference between anti semitism and criticism of Israeli government policy so one can only conclude he's been proper stitched up partly through his own naivety/ incomptence and the effect will be a green light for Israeli policy to be criticism free.
Glad to see some on here condemning anti semitism but I also can't help feel a certain element don't actually give two shiny shits and that it's more about faux outrage because it's Labour. I hope I'm wrong because that would be appalling.
 
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This all just reaffirms what the majority already knew...Corbyn was totally unelectable and set labour back 10 years...had labour been a credible opposition party they would have got in at both of the last two or maybe even 3 elections
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I can’t get on with Starmer at all... He comes across to me as a blow with the wind type Politician with no real sense of personal conviction or ideology.

I suppose we’ll maybe find out at some point who he really is and what he’s actually about, but right now it all feels a bit stage managed and plastic.

Corbyn was who he was and he was surprisingly popular....
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Was he popular though? With just labour voters? His actions and behaviour single handily alienated half of the country at a time where we didn't need anymore split. People who love JC are so blind to the truth, not saying you are, but he lost millions of voters at a time the government has been at it's weakest.
 
Corbyn forced decent MPs like Frank Field and Luciana Berger to quit the party. In the case of Field he was actually suspended from Labour for highlighting anti-semitism and the treatment of Berger was disgraceful and nothing was done.
Therefore I have absolutely no sympathy for Corbyn and the Labour party need more MPs like the two above if they are to win an election.
Starmer's next problem is finding some credible talent to fill his front benches with, currently they look weak IMO.
 
As someone who’s always voted blue I would welcome a credible alternative going forward from Labour. With corbyn at the helm they did make it far too easy from so many different angIes and I find it strange how MSM didn’t see the landslide coming.
His brexit policy was more delay, he seemed to show distain for the northern working class, failed to denounce many terrorist groups when asked and launched the party towards a socialist utopia with its policies. Just a shouty mouthpiece for the young socialist London sect. His behaviour after the report was announced is not surprising.
Keir seems to be falling into a trap of simply opposing all government policies without actually developing a political framework and working on the assumption that voters will flood back when they’ve had enough of Boris.
 
northstand said:
As someone who’s always voted blue I would welcome a credible alternative going forward from Labour. With corbyn at the helm they did make it far too easy from so many different angIes and I find it strange how MSM didn’t see the landslide coming.
His brexit policy was more delay, he seemed to show distain for the northern working class, failed to denounce many terrorist groups when asked and launched the party towards a socialist utopia with its policies. Just a shouty mouthpiece for the young socialist London sect. His behaviour after the report was announced is not surprising.
Keir seems to be falling into a trap of simply opposing all government policies without actually developing a political framework and working on the assumption that voters will flood back when they’ve had enough of Boris.
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That's simply not true. Starmer is on record as supporting numerous Tory policy announcements. He has indeed opposed some that he thinks are wrong. By you're reasoning, he should just go along with anything and everything. He also literally gave a press conference two weeks ago with an alternative. You may not agree with his policy but it's an untruth to say he hasn't put any forward.
 
northstand said:
As someone who’s always voted blue I would welcome a credible alternative going forward from Labour. With corbyn at the helm they did make it far too easy from so many different angIes and I find it strange how MSM didn’t see the landslide coming.
His brexit policy was more delay, he seemed to show distain for the northern working class, failed to denounce many terrorist groups when asked and launched the party towards a socialist utopia with its policies. Just a shouty mouthpiece for the young socialist London sect. His behaviour after the report was announced is not surprising.
Keir seems to be falling into a trap of simply opposing all government policies without actually developing a political framework and working on the assumption that voters will flood back when they’ve had enough of Boris.
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Labour don't really need to have any policies until the next election campaign - I am sure that they are developing them behind the scenes. If they trail policy ideas now and they are popular the Conservatives can just steal them. It's part of a strategy, I think Starmer is trying to purge the party of the left in this phase. And it's the right thing to do as it is the main obstacle to making them electable.
 
I see red Ken McClusky has thrown his views into the fire and is moaning like hell.

If he’s moaning shows what a good move it was so well done Mr Starmer. 👍
 
southshorepool said:
Unfortunately there has always been a degree of anti semitism from a minority on the Left. Perhaps they felt emboldened by Corbyn? He should have dealt with it much quicker in the early days as there should be no place for these dickheads in the Labour Party. Once the media got their teeth into this, he was toast and even when the procedure was tightened up in 2016 it was too late..
It's a shame that this is/ has been jumped on by those on the Right/ Tories/ right wing Jewish groups because it renders any discussion about Israeli government policy or any form of prejudice within the Tory party impossible.(whataboutery)
I genuinely don't believe that these groups deep down don't know the difference between anti semitism and criticism of Israeli government policy so one can only conclude he's been proper stitched up partly through his own naivety/ incomptence and the effect will be a green light for Israeli policy to be criticism free.
Glad to see some on here condemning anti semitism but I also can't help feel a certain element don't actually give two shiny shits and that it's more about faux outage because it's Labour. I hope I'm wrong because that would be appalling.
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Yep, agree with much of that ssp.

Corbyn didn`t deal with anti-semitism within the Labour ranks robustly enough, and as leader is therefore complicit in the problem.

Glad to see it is being rigorously addressed now, as it is a fundamental building block towards giving them credibility as a strong opposition party is as important now as it has ever been.

Obviously tricky times for Starmer and `purging` is not the way he wants it to be seen, but if a few have to be sacrificed on the alter of progress then it is a price worth paying.

McCluskey and union money likely to be a very contentious issue.

Jumbo popcorn double feature...
 
northstand said:
As someone who’s always voted blue I would welcome a credible alternative going forward from Labour. With corbyn at the helm they did make it far too easy from so many different angIes and I find it strange how MSM didn’t see the landslide coming.
His brexit policy was more delay, he seemed to show distain for the northern working class, failed to denounce many terrorist groups when asked and launched the party towards a socialist utopia with its policies. Just a shouty mouthpiece for the young socialist London sect. His behaviour after the report was announced is not surprising.
Keir seems to be falling into a trap of simply opposing all government policies without actually developing a political framework and working on the assumption that voters will flood back when they’ve had enough of Boris.
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So you’d welcome a credible opposition but also think Starmer should just go along with everything Johnson proposes.

Well yes; that makes sense.
 
southshorepool said:
Unfortunately there has always been a degree of anti semitism from a minority on the Left. Perhaps they felt emboldened by Corbyn? He should have dealt with it much quicker in the early days as there should be no place for these dickheads in the Labour Party. Once the media got their teeth into this, he was toast and even when the procedure was tightened up in 2016 it was too late..
It's a shame that this is/ has been jumped on by those on the Right/ Tories/ right wing Jewish groups because it renders any discussion about Israeli government policy or any form of prejudice within the Tory party impossible.(whataboutery)
I genuinely don't believe that these groups deep down don't know the difference between anti semitism and criticism of Israeli government policy so one can only conclude he's been proper stitched up partly through his own naivety/ incomptence and the effect will be a green light for Israeli policy to be criticism free.
Glad to see some on here condemning anti semitism but I also can't help feel a certain element don't actually give two shiny shits and that it's more about faux outage because it's Labour. I hope I'm wrong because that would be appalling.
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Hear hear!
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Labour don't really need to have any policies until the next election campaign - I am sure that they are developing them behind the scenes. If they trail policy ideas now and they are popular the Conservatives can just steal them. It's part of a strategy, I think Starmer is trying to purge the party of the left in this phase. And it's the right thing to do as it is the main obstacle to making them electable.
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I think we need to be careful about our wording here. I am very much of the left when we're talking about economic policy. The left have been given just as bad a name because of the Militant, gobshite, Tendency. It's possible to believe in social liberalism and socialist demand management at the same time. It's more about purging the Party of the bullies, the extremists and the racists.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I think we need to be careful about our wording here. I am very much of the left when we're talking about economic policy. The left have been given just as bad a name because of the Militant, gobshite, Tendency. It's possible to believe in social liberalism and socialist demand management at the same time. It's more about purging the Party of the bullies, the extremists and the racists.
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Yet you allow them a voice on here to go unchallenged. This side of the board is full of political agitators and militant extremists.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Was he popular though? With just labour voters? His actions and behaviour single handily alienated half of the country at a time where we didn't need anymore split. People who love JC are so blind to the truth, not saying you are, but he lost millions of voters at a time the government has been at it's weakest.
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Yes, he was extremely popular and particularly popular amongst the younger generations. For a politician who was so left leaning he managed to garner a significant support base and establish himself as a pretty powerful party leader (and IMHO he was reticent to give up his leadership or his ideology).

I suppose people of every political persuasion would view their ‘oppos’ as being ‘blind to the truth’, however, the reality is that there is no truth and certainly no absolutes, no right way or wrong way, only differences of opinion.

Different opinions are something to celebrate and not fear.
 
20togo said:
Yet you allow them a voice on here to go unchallenged. This side of the board is full of political agitators and militant extremists.
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What you on about? I challenge racists on here all the time. Any way, it's not for me to say who can and who can't post.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
What you on about? I challenge racists on here all the time. Any way, it's not for me to say who can and who can't post.
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I'm pretty sure you know I wasn't referring to the racists who should be challenged by everyone. And again, I'm sure you know my post wasn't about who can and who can't post. It was about challenging those people you refer to. The "bullies, the extremists". You say the party should purge them. The militant extremists exist on here too. That's what a lot of the discussion is about today. All those people who've stayed silent for so long now are so voluble in their support of Starmer. Why haven't they spoken up before?
Anyway, I've made my point, I'll leave you to it. 👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yes, he was extremely popular and particularly popular amongst the younger generations. For a politician who was so left leaning he managed to garner a significant support base and establish himself as a pretty powerful party leader (and IMHO he was reticent to give up his leadership or his ideology).

I suppose people of every political persuasion would view their ‘oppos’ as being ‘blind to the truth’, however, the reality is that there is no truth and certainly no absolutes, no right way or wrong way, only differences of opinion.

Different opinions are something to celebrate and not fear.
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Well the simple truth is he failed his party and the nation. He didn't make himself electable to the masses, just the fanboys in the labour party and the youth. A cult figure isn't what this country needs and they agree with me. So opinions can be said, facts are, he couldn't shift the worst conservative government in my life time.
 
20togo said:
Yet you allow them a voice on here to go unchallenged. This side of the board is full of political agitators and militant extremists.
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You don't half talk some nonsense. This board has people posting right across the spectrum, and while there are a few people with extreme views, there are far more who challenge them and debate in an intelligent way.

I don't know when you appointed yourself the bobby on the beat. But all this frowning every time someone posts something you either don't agree with, or think is uninteresting, is bloody tedious. if it all bothers you so much, you can avoid it very easily, can't you?
 
basilrobbie said:
You don't half talk some nonsense. This board has people posting right across the spectrum, and while there are a few people with extreme views, there are far more who challenge them and debate in an intelligent way.

I don't know when you appointed yourself the bobby on the beat. But all this frowning every time someone posts something you either don't agree with, or think is uninteresting, is bloody tedious. if it all bothers you so much, you can avoid it very easily, can't you?
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I find it rather odd you can tell me what I can do but you can't do it yourself. So much so that you have to reply. So who really is the bobby on the beat so to speak?
 
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