Corbyn suspended

This is going to be interesting. We might find out whether it is actually possible to melt Twitter. I must go and find the popcorn.....
 
Hahahahahahahahahah 😂😂😂😂😂

Well done Keith 👏🏻 Acknowledgement is the first step. Has anyone checked on CAT.
 
Don't believe he is anti semitic but there is a strong anti Israeli section of the party who happen to be blindly pro Palestinian. This has tipped into big problems which Corbyns inner circle looked away from, right to be suspended prior to further investigation.This is a real test for Starmer
 
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Vile human being. Is anyone really surprised at the findings of this report. The party needs to get rid of Corbyn and the rest of the anti-Semitic morons.
 
Bisphamtang said:
Don't believe he is anti semitic but there is a strong anti Israeli section of the party who happen to be blindly pro Palestinian. This has tipped into big problems which Corbyns inner circle looked away from, right to be suspended prior to further investigation.This is a real rest for Starmer
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A rest for Starmer? He doesn't have much to do anyway, being a pretend PM and all. Do you mean a test for Starmer? 😉
 
Bisphamtang said:
Don't believe he is anti semitic but there is a strong anti Israeli section of the party who happen to be blindly pro Palestinian. This has tipped into big problems which Corbyns inner circle looked away from, right to be suspended prior to further investigation.This is a real rest for Starmer
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Yup a real test for Starmer and a turning point for Labour,but JC should really have grasped this early doors and stopped it from becoming an obstacle regarding the General Election.
 
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I think Starmer has just taken a big step towards being the next PM
Take on the left early doors, defeat them and present an electable alternative in 2024
This is part of a long term strategy, Long Bailey was booted out of the shadow cabinet over a retweet pretty early on. Starmer looks like a man of action - we need a viable opposition more than ever ATM. Well done.
 
Excellent.

Because of him and his cohorts we're stuck with Johnson and his rabble for at least 4 years.

How about expelling McCluskey, and Mrs Smacked-Arse Face (aka Wrong-Daily) too?
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I think Starmer has just taken a big step towards being the next PM
Starmer looks like a man of action - we need a viable opposition more than ever ATM. Well done.
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Action man? What shall we call him then? Captain Hindsight was a pretty good description but doesn't create the right impression.

How about No Policies Man? or The Red Faced Shadow?



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poolseasider said:
Just heard Starmer stick the boot in for all those in denial from the party.
Well done him. 👍
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It remains to be seen what Starmer does next. The report is one thing (and I hope it leads to the expulsion of the 'Right Honourable Lady Chucklebutty' whose report into anti-Semitism is now shown to be the whitewash that everyone claimed), but even in the past few months some of his MPs have repeatedly appeared on platforms alongside former or expelled members. There are at least a dozen of them who need to be removed from the Party.

Starmer is a former Trot, who admits that his beliefs remain broadly those of his past, lets see whether he is true to his word...or will he find a way of keeping the left onside?
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I think Starmer has just taken a big step towards being the next PM
Take on the left early doors, defeat them and present an electable alternative in 2024
This is part of a long term strategy, Long Bailey was booted out of the shadow cabinet over a retweet pretty early on. Starmer looks like a man of action - we need a viable opposition more than ever ATM. Well done.
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Spot on El, just what Starmer was hoping for. Fumigation now so that life long supporters, like me, can stop holding our noses and get back to voting for the party
 
Starmer couldn't do right for doing wrong on this one.

On the one hand, he had the morally pure on the left who regard the rest of us as infidels. Corbyn is, was and always will be one of their own. And they are very vocal.

On the other, he had the rest of us to contend with. And many of us - rightly or wrongly - are very suspicious of a Party that seems to harbour a lot of people who might not create these issues but who do seem to tacitly condone those who do.

If Starmer wants to win power, I think he has to court the agnostic majority. His problem will be that in doing so he alienates his activists and a fair few of them may drift off to other parties on the far left, or set up a new alternative. And further fragmentation of the left won't help KS much next time we have a General Election.

He had no easy choice here. He has made one though, for which he should be applauded. This was not something he could sweep under the carpet, and he hasn't tried to.
 
Agreed about the agnostic majority so the key consideration is, how many shades of left to let go, encourage to depart, in order to tilt the balance and bring the agnositics Starmers way. I think that his response today has been mapped out for some time and Corby, bless him, reacted as per expectations.

As for a new party of the left, well they took over the Labour party so it time we had it back and they found a new toy to play with.
 
braymarina said:
Agreed about the agnostic majority so the key consideration is, how many shades of left to let go, encourage to depart, in order to tilt the balance and bring the agnositics Starmers way. I think that his response today has been mapped out for some time and Corby, bless him, reacted as per expectations.

As for a new party of the left, well they took over the Labour party so it time we had it back and they found a new toy to play with.
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If it is simply about electoral arithmetic, I would suggest that Starmer has done the smart thing. Corbyn was an electoral liability and will be as long as he plays any kind of active role in Labour politics. Too many of the voting public were around in the 1980s and have long memories.

I can't help thinking that Corbyn might have been much better off had he been as quick to defend Berger et al as he has been to defend himself.
 
basilrobbie said:
If it is simply about electoral arithmetic, I would suggest that Starmer has done the smart thing. Corbyn was an electoral liability and will be as long as he plays any kind of active role in Labour politics. Too many of the voting public were around in the 1980s and have long memories.

I can't help thinking that Corbyn might have been much better off had he been as quick to defend Berger et al as he has been to defend himself.
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Well my memory is very short Bazzle, a side effect of massive weed abuse, so all I can remember is the last six months of incompetence from the current government.

I'm not sure the left in the eighties did anything worse than handing out billions of tax payers money to private capital in order to completely balls up the Covid response.

But, short memories I suppose, might all be forgotten in the media in 12 months.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Well my memory is very short Bazzle, a side effect of massive weed abuse, so all I can remember is the last six months of incompetence from the current government.

I'm not sure the left in the eighties did anything worse than handing out billions of tax payers money to private capital in order to completely balls up the Covid response.

But, short memories I suppose, might all be forgotten in the media in 12 months.
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Separate issues though, aren't they? You'll get no argument from me about the current Government's performance, but that isn't the issue under discussion, is it?

I think you are right about the nature of the left's "crimes" in the 1980's. The point is though, they weren't in power. And one of the reasons they couldn't win power is because a lot of ordinary people looked at them and weren't sure whose side they were on. And still do, to at least some extent.

That will be part of Corbyn's political epitaph, I think. Certainly not a leader, and certainly not very able. But was he more of a dupe than a threat?
 
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Separate issues though, aren't they? You'll get no argument from me about the current Government's performance, but that isn't the issue under discussion, is it?

I think you are right about the nature of the left's "crimes" in the 1980's. The point is though, they weren't in power. And one of the reasons they couldn't win power is because a lot of ordinary people looked at them and weren't sure whose side they were on. And still do, to at least some extent.

That will be part of Corbyn's political epitaph, I think. Certainly not a leader, and certainly not very able. But was he more of a dupe than a threat?
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Not sure about 'who's side they were on', it doesn't stop successive governments from being elected, who's side was Blair on, anyone?

The left won't get elected as they won't be allowed, too many vested interests would be hurt. Of course Corbyn not stopping the anti semites doesn't help.
 
How not allowed Lytham?

A common sense Labour party with statesman like leaders, men and women, and an inclusive approach to business and the individual has every chance of becoming the government next time around. Today is a start in, it will be interesting to see ho wit plays out.
 
Doubt Catinaflap will even read this thread. The nature of the beast is just to usually make an unholy noise, then scarper sharpish when they realise they’ve just laid a tray of sh*t.....
 
Ruperthoop said:
What a vile party labour has permitted itself to become.
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It isn't a vile party. That is just grandstanding rubbish. The Labour Party stupidly opened itself up to allowing a mass reinfection from the Militant Tendency and swathes ofother racist idiots. They are not Labour people, they are a disease that needs to be washed out of the Party - and will be. It should not even be a concept to be Labour and racist at the same time. They are irreconcilable, polar opposites.
Labour still has within it the vast majority of the decent members that it always had. The publication of this report can commence the healing process that will enable Jewish Labour to return to the fold. That will happen and the true, clean soul of Labour will recover.
 
Ollygon said:
Excellent.

Because of him and his cohorts we're stuck with Johnson and his rabble for at least 4 years.

How about expelling McCluskey, and Mrs Smacked-Arse Face (aka Wrong-Daily) too?
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Pretty sure you were all over JC at election time. Now its his fault Boris is in charge. Of people had of stopped for a minute and took of the oooohhhh Jeremy corbyn goggles and gave it some thought you may of ousted the bigot way before election time.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
It isn't a vile party. That is just grandstanding rubbish. The Labour Party stupidly opened itself up to allowing a mass reinfection from the Militant Tendency and swathes ofother racist idiots. They are not Labour people, they are a disease that needs to be washed out of the Party - and will be. It should not even be a concept to be Labour and racist at the same time. They are irreconcilable, polar opposites.
Labour still has within it the vast majority of the decent members that it always had. The publication of this report can commence the healing process that will enable Jewish Labour to return to the fold. That will happen and the true, clean soul of Labour will recover.
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Corbyn was weak. On Brexit, on anti semitism and everything he basically never stated a clear position and was left looking like he implicitly supported anti semitism in particular, while I still don't
know his true position on Brexit.

Too much looking like local party meeting chair, wrapped up in technical procedure and not a leader of a national party.
 
Its not really Corbyn, but labour have attracted all the twerps like Owen Jones and formed Momentum, a dangerous collection of anti...well, basically everything.
 
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Its not really Corbyn, but labour have attracted all the twerps like Owen Jones and formed Momentum, a dangerous collection of anti...well, basically everything.
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The biggest damage to this country has been the actions of the unaccountable ERG.
 
Ollygon said:
Excellent.

Because of him and his cohorts we're stuck with Johnson and his rabble for at least 4 years.

How about expelling McCluskey, and Mrs Smacked-Arse Face (aka Wrong-Daily) too?
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Lunatics like Diane Abbott, Lammy and McDonnell
 
basilrobbie said:
If Starmer wants to win power, I think he has to court the agnostic majority. His problem will be that in doing so he alienates his activists and a fair few of them may drift off to other parties on the far left, or set up a new alternative. And further fragmentation of the left won't help KS much next time we have a General Election.
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Balls to the activists, labour has to appeal to the public. They have held the party back too long.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Well my memory is very short Bazzle, a side effect of massive weed abuse, so all I can remember is the last six months of incompetence from the current government.

I'm not sure the left in the eighties did anything worse than handing out billions of tax payers money to private capital in order to completely balls up the Covid response.

But, short memories I suppose, might all be forgotten in the media in 12 months.
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The left in the 80s??? Holy shit man, how much did you smoke?
 
Wizaard said:
Except the ERG isn't whataboutery, it's us leaving the EU with no deal and in a shitshow.

I've already made my views about Corbyn earlier.
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Where did that come from on a labour party thread?

Ffs, cant you find a hobby instead of arguing the toss on a messageboard. Have you tried underwater flower, arranging?
 
Wizaard said:
Corbyn was weak. On Brexit, on anti semitism and everything he basically never stated a clear position and was left looking like he implicitly supported anti semitism in particular, while I still don't
know his true position on Brexit.
Too much looking like local party meeting chair, wrapped up in technical procedure and not a leader of a national party.
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As you say, the trouble with Labour under Corbyn was that nobody knew what its policies were. On Brexit, Starmer wrote the book for Corbyn as a remainer and the voters rejected it. Now Starmer, the undisputed king of u-turns, is apparently pro-Brexit. He can suspend and sack whoever he chooses but still nobody knows Labour's policies. From what I can see, they consist of the opposite of the Government's policies and that's it. Starmer will have to do a lot better than that to get Labour back in the race. I blame his mother for calling him Keir.
 
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It clearly is not all of the labour party who are bad there are those whom would like to reform it. As it stands there is clear institutional racism within the party and this was clearly endorsed by Corbyn as the report states. Some say he is not anti-Semitic , I have my own views on that. And then we have John Lansman and his momentum brownshirts-thugs pure and simple. I used to love the labour party, they have had some decent ,caring politicians such as John Smith and Frank Field and I feel they still have a few whom still care about the plight of all in society . Starmer has a huge job, if he does not cut out the cancer his party can never hope to dislodge this weak tory government.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Well my memory is very short Bazzle, a side effect of massive weed abuse, so all I can remember is the last six months of incompetence from the current government.

I'm not sure the left in the eighties did anything worse than handing out billions of tax payers money to private capital in order to completely balls up the Covid response.

But, short memories I suppose, might all be forgotten in the media in 12 months.
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Agreed although many of us knew that before the GE which unfortunately became a single agenda issue.
Poor tactically from JC and he failed to put anti-Semitism to bed, and it played right into the Tories hands.

If you give these bar stewards an inch they'll take a political mile, and the Tory election machine revved into top gear at the last election. Sadly its what they do but with Starmer we've got a fighting chance...
 
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