Covid 19

BobHatton said:
I supported the fact that the polio vaccine worked but my point was, how long was that in clinical trials for beforehand and how much did it have to be 'tweaked' before it's efficacy was proven. Yes, one year after it was introduced there was an 80% drop in cases but how long before did it take to get to that stage? I'm not saying the Covid19 vaccine will never work just that it's very early days yet and will have to be developed and trialled a lot more yet.
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Not that long from identifying a potential vaccine, a couple of years in fact, with infinitely less resources than the present research.

It wasn't refined at all either, there was no going back to lab to fine tune it like you suggest, it was just lobbed out to millions of kids as a trial, looked ok so then passed for the rest of the general population, fortunately Salk was a bloody genius.

The Covid vaccines are far far more refined, much more tested and subject to a lot more rigorous regulation and approval.

Look at the percentages for efficacy of Salk's vaccine compared to all the Covid jabs, something like 30 to 40 percentage less in some cases, but it was still hugely effective.
 
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How many Polio boosters did people generally need throughout their lifetimes? Israel are ahead of the rest of the world in terms of their vaccine programme and their conclusion is that covid vaccine protection needs to be renewed after six months if people want to still to be considered 'fully vaccinated'.
 
Bamber said:
How many Polio boosters did people generally need throughout their lifetimes? Israel are ahead of the rest of the world in terms of their vaccine programme and their conclusion is that covid vaccine protection needs to be renewed after six months if people want to still to be considered 'fully vaccinated'.
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Totally different virus though, the Covid boosters are just in line with the flu shots every year.
 
Bamber said:
How many Polio boosters did people generally need throughout their lifetimes? Israel are ahead of the rest of the world in terms of their vaccine programme and their conclusion is that covid vaccine protection needs to be renewed after six months if people want to still to be considered 'fully vaccinated'.
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Israel's vaccination programme differs in a big way to the UK in that they stuck to the prescribed short delay between first and second doses which has inadvertently turned out to be disadvantagous. The UK gambled in waiting up to 12 weeks for the second dose (at the time due to just wanting to get as many people as possible partly protected) but data has since shown the longer delay leads to better and longer lasting protection. So in a nutshell, it's difficult now to compare Israel to the UK situation.
 
BobHatton said:
I supported the fact that the polio vaccine worked but my point was, how long was that in clinical trials for beforehand and how much did it have to be 'tweaked' before it's efficacy was proven. Yes, one year after it was introduced there was an 80% drop in cases but how long before did it take to get to that stage? I'm not saying the Covid19 vaccine will never work just that it's very early days yet and will have to be developed and trialled a lot more yet.
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The coronavirus vaccines have been under development for years in any case and in particular they have been seeking to develop the technology that would enable them to fast-track vaccine production in the event of a pandemic.

On top of that, we now have decades of vaccine based research that provide a stable base of information on which to support ongoing development and safety standards.

All medicines and medical interventions carry a certain amount of risk. It is a case of balancing that risk and the threat posed by the virus…. I have to admit to being pretty skeptical about the need for a vaccine (personally) in the early stages, but I think it’s fair to say that the evidence of harm caused by the virus and benefit from vaccination has been overwhelming.

I can’t grasp why this is even up for sensible discussion tbh.
 
QTS BFC said:
Ask yourself why are any alternative views being suppressed ? What have they got to hide ? I've never seen censorship like this before. The vac don't work that's why...you take your chances and I'll trust my own immune system...I played in shit as a kid..mines rockin
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Are they? Or is a minority view a view of a limited group of people? Why should each minority group think they have an entitlement to media to publisise them. The Proud Boys are a minority view. What is noticeable that the anti vaccs minority seem to base their arguments on anecdotal information at best.
 
Cuthbert said:
Are they? Or is a minority view a view of a limited group of people? Why should each minority group think they have an entitlement to media to publisise them. The Proud Boys are a minority view. What is noticeable that the anti vaccs minority seem to base their arguments on anecdotal information at best.
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QTS BFC said:
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Viruses do not evolve to become less deadly over time at all. They just continue to mutate and then a range of factors will determine the success or failure of different mutations.

What seems to have happened with the Delta Variant is that it’s ‘success’ has been due to it generating a higher viral load and initial studies are suggesting that has made it more deadly.
 
BobHatton said:
So how does one explain that 90% of hospitalisations in Israel and the like have been fully vaccinated? No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a person who worked within the medical field for many years and am sceptical to say the least..
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Maybe the fact that nearly everyone is vaccinated?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
On top of that, we now have decades of vaccine based research that provide a stable base of information on which to support ongoing development and safety standards.
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we don’t have any vaccine based research for MRNA vaccines.This is the first time they have been used.

Source-The inventor of MRNA technology Robert Malone
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The coronavirus vaccines have been under development for years in any case and in particular they have been seeking to develop the technology that would enable them to fast-track vaccine production in the event of a pandemic.

On top of that, we now have decades of vaccine based research that provide a stable base of information on which to support ongoing development and safety standards.

All medicines and medical interventions carry a certain amount of risk. It is a case of balancing that risk and the threat posed by the virus…. I have to admit to being pretty skeptical about the need for a vaccine (personally) in the early stages, but I think it’s fair to say that the evidence of harm caused by the virus and benefit from vaccination has been overwhelming.

I can’t grasp why this is even up for sensible discussion tbh
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Scarier😂

You wwhopp
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Scarier😂

You whopper
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To be fair Dolly the sheep seems to be doing ok
 
Lost Seasider said:
Irrelevant to your claim that viruses become less deadly over time.
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The job of a virus is to replicate itself and infect other people.It cannot do that if it kills its host therefore it will weaken and become more transmittable and we are seeing with the Delta variant ( 0.2% ) deaths compared to the original Alpha variant (1.8% ) deaths. The virus is becoming more successful at doing what a virus does.
 
QTS BFC said:
The job of a virus is to replicate itself and infect other people.It cannot do that if it kills its host therefore it will weaken and become more transmittable and we are seeing with the Delta variant ( 0.2% ) deaths compared to the original Alpha variant (1.8% ) deaths. The virus is becoming more successful at doing what a virus does.
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You should start heeding part of your username and;

QUIT TALKING SHITE
 
Weren't you banned when your avatar was some 15th Century alchemist.....Tycho Brahe (?)
There cant be 2 people in the UK who are that delusional and support Blackpool....or do you just come on here because "THEY" wont let you on grown up forums.......
 
QTS BFC said:
The job of a virus is to replicate itself and infect other people.It cannot do that if it kills its host therefore it will weaken and become more transmittable and we are seeing with the Delta variant ( 0.2% ) deaths compared to the original Alpha variant (1.8% ) deaths. The virus is becoming more successful at doing what a virus does.
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You're half right, and half wrong, virus's become less deadly over time but it's not always because they evolve that way, but because the remaining population's immune systems become stronger against them. In the case of the delta variant it's is actually more likely to double hospitalisations in unvaccinated people, and it's because of vaccine rollouts that hospitalisations haven't risen significantly in accordance to cases.

Of the 6 major coronaviruses, 4 of them have become less deadly, and are effectively the common cold. Coronavirus will go the same way, but it's not a case of waiting around for it to naturally become less deadly, it's about increasing the populations immune systems to better cope with it.
 
BWseasider said:
You're half right, and half wrong, virus's become less deadly over time but it's not always because they evolve that way, but because the remaining population's immune systems become stronger against them. In the case of the delta variant it's is actually more likely to double hospitalisations in unvaccinated people, and it's because of vaccine rollouts that hospitalisations haven't risen significantly in accordance to cases.

Of the 6 major coronaviruses, 4 of them have become less deadly, and are effectively the common cold. Coronavirus will go the same way, but it's not a case of waiting around for it to naturally become less deadly, it's about increasing the populations immune systems to better cope with it.
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👍spot on
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Weren't you banned when your avatar was some 15th Century alchemist.....Tycho Brahe (?)
There cant be 2 people in the UK who are that delusional and support Blackpool....or do you just come on here because "THEY" wont let you on grown up forums.......
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B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Weren't you banned when your avatar was some 15th Century alchemist.....Tycho Brahe (?)
There cant be 2 people in the UK who are that delusional and support Blackpool....or do you just come on here because "THEY" wont let you on grown up forums.......
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You're contribution to the debate is much appreciated.
A highly knowledgeable person like yourself is the backbone of our country.
 
QTS BFC said:
The job of a virus is to replicate itself and infect other people.It cannot do that if it kills its host therefore it will weaken and become more transmittable and we are seeing with the Delta variant ( 0.2% ) deaths compared to the original Alpha variant (1.8% ) deaths. The virus is becoming more successful at doing what a virus does.
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Source for those numbers please.

Also you know that you're massively contradicting your 99.97% recovery rate claim earlier.
 
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" Life is short and the art long ; the occasion fleeting ; experience fallacious, and judgement difficult "

The truth is rarely pure and never simple.
 
To quote a well worn phrase.. 'they think it's all over'... it isn't yet. Currently I'm in the Jolly Tars at Cleveleys and it's rammed...no one wearing masks when walking about, apart from me and my mate. Yet if you go in a supermarket still, most people are wearing a mask, even though it's nowhere near as busy! Does Covid recognise signs saying 'no need to wear a mask, we serve alcohol, so Covid doesn't apply???!!!' Bizarre! 🙄
Probably wearing a mask makes no or little difference, but it's a respect thing...imo🤷‍♂️
 
I think it probably makes a real difference if everyone does it. Ive been staying and travelling around Spain for 2 weeks now and mask wearing is 100 per cent on all public transport, in the stations, in shops, museums. So feels for me a sense of solidarity. Encourages those who might be more anxious to get around and go out. In bars, restaurants , once you are sitting to eat or drink or outside then no masks.
That will never happen as long as Johnson is leader. According to Sky News Sir Jeremy Farrar , of the Welcome Trust has just resigned from the Govt SAGE group , influenced by the Govt refusal to implement a Plan B or " Vaccine Plus" policy.
 
Had to go from Poulton to Birmingham international and back on motto collect my grandchildren from their d&ckead father who they have to spend half of all holidays with.

I was almost unique in wearing a mask.
 
Interesting little article here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59165157

University of Oxford scientists have uncovered a gene that doubles the risk of lung failure and death from Covid.
They say around 60% of people from South Asian backgrounds and 15% of people of European ancestry carry the high-risk version of the gene.

Also of note:

They estimate the risky version of the gene is present in about 2% of people from African-Caribbean backgrounds and 1.8% of people of East Asian descent.

Which might partly explain why the likes of South Korea and east Asia generally are thought to have handled the pandemic well.

All Boris's fault obviously.
 
Sorry guys. Masks are almost entirely useless.
Wales has seen faster rises with Covid whilst masks have been mandated. As I’ve said previously, epidemiology statisticians from st
Andrew’s university have concluded there’s no difference with infection spread between masked and unmasked communities.

A fourth wave is now sweeping Europe including Germany despite them wearing masks. But yeah it’s Boris’s fault and Brexit’s fault. (And my fault )
 
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Three times I've had it. First time before jabbed (Feb 2020) was bed bound for nearly 10 days, 2nd time july 2021 4 days in bed, had been jabbed. Last time (oct 2021) just ify chest and breathing. Long term fatigue
 
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