Derby woes

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tangible

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Every time I read something about the crisis Derby are currently in I think 'how lucky were we that Simon Sadler rode into town to buy the club he once supported, in the town he grew up in, and obviously still has a great attachment to'. Compare that to Derby who've been in admin for god knows how long, and are attracting a right assortment of unprincipled money movers. I wouldn't trust any of them, but their long suffering fans must be getting desperate.
 
The back story seems to be Administrators not talking to potential buyers unless they stump up millions., and not doing due diligence on their preferred bidder This has now gone mammaries uppermost and they are having to contact buyers who they have been ignoring. This will be quite a race to get a new owner before the season starts, would not wish this on any football fan.
 
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Tangerinemoss said:
The back story seems to be Administrators not talking to potential buyers unless they stump up millions., and not doing due diligence on their preferred bidder This has now gone mammaries uppermost and they are having to contact buyers who they have been ignoring. This will be quite a race to get a new owner before the season starts, would not wish this one any football fan.
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Quite. Thanks to Marcus Smith and his clear understanding of how we, and Belokon, had been shafted, I think our administrators ensured our club wasn't sold to any old Shyster and the rest, as they say, is history. I do feel sorry for Derby fans but their problems stem from owners overspending on the team. Never let it be said that Karl and Owen ever spent a penny more than they wanted. Not their money anyway.
 
basilexile said:
It just feels that Derby are being given a lot of rope to wriggle with. Perhaps being shown more tolerance than some of small fry of the football pyramid.
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Derby can probably get 15,000+ season ticket holders in L1, so that's perhaps £3,000,000 - £4,000,000 income, probably another £2,000,000 from match-day sales and perhaps another £1,000,000 or so from other revenue streams to give them a war chest of £6,000,000 - £8,000,000 to fund the season, and possibly they can add a bit on top from selling the players they've already got.

Since they've only got 5 players registered and most if not all of them could be on the way out, there's nothing to stop them signing up 22 trialists on £2,000 p/w each, which is going to cost a touch over £2.5m for the season, and leave plenty of headroom to cover other operating costs, maybe even pay the admin's fees.

The football might be terrible, they could end up in L2, but the only thing the EFL cares about is whether Derby has the funding in place to complete the season, if they do then they're allowed to compete.

Ultimately, the bigger the club, the easier it is to demonstrate funding, and thus the more scope for "preferential treatment" from the EFL.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Derby can probably get 15,000+ season ticket holders in L1, so that's perhaps £3,000,000 - £4,000,000 income, probably another £2,000,000 from match-day sales and perhaps another £1,000,000 or so from other revenue streams to give them a war chest of £6,000,000 - £8,000,000 to fund the season, and possibly they can add a bit on top from selling the players they've already got.

Since they've only got 5 players registered and most if not all of them could be on the way out, there's nothing to stop them signing up 22 trialists on £2,000 p/w each, which is going to cost a touch over £2.5m for the season, and leave plenty of headroom to cover other operating costs, maybe even pay the admin's fees.

The football might be terrible, they could end up in L2, but the only thing the EFL cares about is whether Derby has the funding in place to complete the season, if they do then they're allowed to compete.

Ultimately, the bigger the club, the easier it is to demonstrate funding, and thus the more scope for "preferential treatment" from the EFL.
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How can they compete if they have the funding as they’ve only got 5 contracted players and they’re not allowed to sign anyone or renew any contracts or loans
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
How can they compete if they have the funding as they’ve only got 5 contracted players and they’re not allowed to sign anyone or renew any contracts or loans
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Presumably, if they can demonstrate funding, the EFL will be prepared to allow them to sign players subject to a strict wage cap, that's what they allowed them to do last summer even though they were under a transfer embargo at the time.
 
www.efl.com

EFL Statement: Derby County

The EFL has today informed the Administrators at Derby County that following the failure of Mr Chris Kirchner to conclude a sale of the Club, it is changing the terms of the suspended Notice of Withdrawal issued when the Club entered into administration in September 2021.
www.efl.com www.efl.com
 
It's interesting reading the DCFC board, how many of them are still convinced that Kirchner has the cash, and it's just held up somewhere, pure delusion.
 
Sports direct guy says Administrators want 7 million in fees for the few months work they have done.

could be that we were the last to see Derby play.
 
tangible said:
Every time I read something about the crisis Derby are currently in I think 'how lucky were we that Simon Sadler rode into town to buy the club he once supported, in the town he grew up in, and obviously still has a great attachment to'. Compare that to Derby who've been in admin for god knows how long, and are attracting a right assortment of unprincipled money movers. I wouldn't trust any of them, but their long suffering fans must be getting desperate.
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Having been to the Court of Appeal several times with the Oyston Case, I wouldn’t trust anyone in footie especially owners, or Managers (Well done NC ) or players.

I think you’ll find Simon S, still supports the Pool (!) and I have no axe to grind with him

All Clubs have issues and ours is very concerning - we have gone from when we played and lost to Derby from a stable Club with plenty to be optimistic about to one that’s in deep trouble and we need some stability ASAP - players sense implosion and Derby have had a fairly open one.

I actually feel sorry for the Chairman and board (no summer break for them) and especially for the fans - this is not an easy fix

All I say to the fans is we’re not Derby yet, and hard as it may look and seem, support you Club better than you could ever have imagined. If we can stay another season in this Division we’ll be ok

It’s our Club, no-one else’s, get behind it as we have
 
tangible said:
W

Well lad, if tha wants to learn tha trade as manager tha'll ave to start on nobbut ten bob a week.
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It was a long while and I think there's an ingrained mentality that we're still under Oyston rules. We need to move on and accept we're now a professional organisation who don't skimp.
 
Camberwell1 said:
Having been to the Court of Appeal several times with the Oyston Case, I wouldn’t trust anyone in footie especially owners, or Managers (Well done NC ) or players.

I think you’ll find Simon S, still supports the Pool (!) and I have no axe to grind with him

All Clubs have issues and ours is very concerning - we have gone from when we played and lost to Derby from a stable Club with plenty to be optimistic about to one that’s in deep trouble and we need some stability ASAP - players sense implosion and Derby have had a fairly open one.

I actually feel sorry for the Chairman and board (no summer break for them) and especially for the fans - this is not an easy fix

All I say to the fans is we’re not Derby yet, and hard as it may look and seem, support you Club better than you could ever have imagined. If we can stay another season in this Division we’ll be ok

It’s our Club, no-one else’s, get behind it as we have
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Well said Camberwell. All clubs are only one or two bad decisions away from meltdown, especially when a successful and popular manager (yes he was) like Critchley walks away without so much as a backward glance. I don't underestimate for one moment the importance of the board's next decision, but our club currently could not be in safer hands and I trust them to ensure as smooth a transition as possible. Knowing that, I think we the fans will give them all the support we can. 👍
 
The sports direct guy has been involved with a lot of buyouts from administrators so will have a much better idea than members on
a DCFC forum of charges. I do know that administrators will charge a junior member of staff at a rate £ 150 per hr to carry out routine paperwork.
That's a cost of £ 6000 per week. Now the rate for senior members of staff or partners is a lot higher. So it is feasible to rack up substantial
fees very quickly, if there is a large team working there.
 
Feel sorry for them, been massively messed about and now are having to scramble to get a new owner before the season starts. Mike Ashley is probably their best bet, but the admins won't even talk to him. It's all just a huge mess
 
Camberwell1 said:
Having been to the Court of Appeal several times with the Oyston Case, I wouldn’t trust anyone in footie especially owners, or Managers (Well done NC ) or players.

I think you’ll find Simon S, still supports the Pool (!) and I have no axe to grind with him

All Clubs have issues and ours is very concerning - we have gone from when we played and lost to Derby from a stable Club with plenty to be optimistic about to one that’s in deep trouble and we need some stability ASAP - players sense implosion and Derby have had a fairly open one.

I actually feel sorry for the Chairman and board (no summer break for them) and especially for the fans - this is not an easy fix

All I say to the fans is we’re not Derby yet, and hard as it may look and seem, support you Club better than you could ever have imagined. If we can stay another season in this Division we’ll be ok

It’s our Club, no-one else’s, get behind it as we have
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I read that a few times….but that is a load of crap…WTF makes you think we are in deep trouble…jeez we lost a manager Err head coach…it happens.
if it was in capitals I would have thought it was a PAULCO post in parts.😳
 
bleach51 said:
I read that a few times….but that is a load of crap…WTF makes you think we are in deep trouble…jeez we lost a manager Err head coach…it happens.
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Yep the whole club has changed massively and we have the setup, just pop a good head coach in and away we go.

We're not in deep trouble at all 😆
 
bleach51 said:
I read that a few times….but that is a load of crap…WTF makes you think we are in deep trouble…jeez we lost a manager Err head coach…it happens.
if it was in capitals I would have thought it was a PAULCO post in parts.😳
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Yep... Load of crap... And not for the first time.... He / She was predicting certain relegation back in January...

Complete over-reactionary rubbish
 
Camberwell1 said:
Having been to the Court of Appeal several times with the Oyston Case, I wouldn’t trust anyone in footie especially owners, or Managers (Well done NC ) or players.

I think you’ll find Simon S, still supports the Pool (!) and I have no axe to grind with him

All Clubs have issues and ours is very concerning - we have gone from when we played and lost to Derby from a stable Club with plenty to be optimistic about to one that’s in deep trouble and we need some stability ASAP - players sense implosion and Derby have had a fairly open one.

I actually feel sorry for the Chairman and board (no summer break for them) and especially for the fans - this is not an easy fix

All I say to the fans is we’re not Derby yet, and hard as it may look and seem, support you Club better than you could ever have imagined. If we can stay another season in this Division we’ll be ok

It’s our Club, no-one else’s, get behind it as we have
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Stand up when you post, the sound won't be so muffled
 
Derby fans must be appalled at this latest bombshell. League one and potentially another big points deduction. Only a handful of players contracted and possibly now no manager. More to the point ,for us, what effect might this have on Rosenior. He must be feeling for the Derby players he's worked hard with all season. Hope he can smooth things down there from his own point of view, so he can start here with no baggage.
 
Camberwell1 said:
Having been to the Court of Appeal several times with the Oyston Case, I wouldn’t trust anyone in footie especially owners, or Managers (Well done NC ) or players.

I think you’ll find Simon S, still supports the Pool (!) and I have no axe to grind with him

All Clubs have issues and ours is very concerning - we have gone from when we played and lost to Derby from a stable Club with plenty to be optimistic about to one that’s in deep trouble and we need some stability ASAP - players sense implosion and Derby have had a fairly open one.

I actually feel sorry for the Chairman and board (no summer break for them) and especially for the fans - this is not an easy fix

All I say to the fans is we’re not Derby yet, and hard as it may look and seem, support you Club better than you could ever have imagined. If we can stay another season in this Division we’ll be ok

It’s our Club, no-one else’s, get behind it as we have
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How is a manager walking out going to implode the club? Since Sadler took over we've already had one walk out and one sacked?
 
tangible said:
Derby fans must be appalled at this latest bombshell. League one and potentially another big points deduction. Only a handful of players contracted and possibly now no manager. More to the point ,for us, what effect might this have on Rosenior. He must be feeling for the Derby players he's worked hard with all season. Hope he can smooth things down there from his own point of view, so he can start here with no baggage.
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Why would he have any baggage ? The owners have fucked that club over not the assistant coach. He needs to get out of there asap.
 
Derby fans on their forum seem to think Blackpool will have to pay compensation to get rosenior is this true or was he not under contract?
 
Scaramanga said:
Why would he have any baggage ? The owners have fucked that club over not the assistant coach. He needs to get out of there asap.
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Maybe not baggage, just lingering stuff to deal with. It's a shitstorm down there at the moment, not a normal, healthy club. I agree he needs to detach himself from that sharpish. I'd assume that's what he would do, but there's all this talking to Rooney stuff.
 
tangible said:
Maybe not baggage, just lingering stuff to deal with. It's a shitstorm down there at the moment, not a normal, healthy club. I agree he needs to detach himself from that sharpish. I'd assume that's what he would do, but there's all this talking to Rooney stuff.
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Rooney's not his boss. If Rooney got offered another job in the Prem he would be off like a shot.
 
Any monies due to Derby County to compensate for their loss of Liam Rosenior
will be offset against the money paid to BFC by Villa for Critchleys services.
 
AndrewDuncanSmith said:
Any monies due to Derby County to compensate for their loss of Liam Rosenior
will be offset against the money paid to BFC by Villa for Critchleys services.
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Possibly, except that Critch had just signed a long extended contract, so might have higher compo.

What I haven't seen mentioned about Critch, is I wonder if he had a release clause in his contract relating to approaches from Gerrard/Liverpool.
It would make sense why Simon/Ben didn't put up any resistance to his going.
 
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