Derek Chauvin....

With all the threats of (I'll be polite) unrest would anybody have come to any other verdict? Even the so-called leaders are a bloody disgrace, especially Pelosi and Waters.
 
Obviously guilty and the fact he didn't give evidence in his defence gave a clear indication that he thought the same. The very first white police officer in Minnesota to be charged and found guilty of such an offence. I wonder how many other similar incidents there have been over the years? Very lucky the girl took the video on her phone
 
Complete phone footage, including body cams etc make it easier to see what has happened.

He used GF to demonstrate his superiority to those watching; you could see "I won't get off him because you are asking me to." Petulance which led to death. It's not as though it was a split second decision either; 9 minutes, dear God.
 
EagleDay said:
With all the threats of (I'll be polite) unrest would anybody have come to any other verdict? Even the so-called leaders are a bloody disgrace, especially Pelosi and Waters.
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Are you saying an innocent man has been jailed wrongly in the name of political expedience?

Interesting that a few on here who couldn't wait to trot out the previous history of the victim are now happy to see a conviction.
 
Matesrates said:
He’s got what he deserved, but even if he’d been innocent, he’d have been found guilty.
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He wasn't innocent. If the footage was showing something different then he may well have been found innocent. That's justice for you.
 
Justice in the USA...?
You only have to read the reason why there were 3 felony charges and not just one for murder...This will show why there's no such thing as justice.

Each state has it's own laws....if the murder was committed in another state....it could have been the death penalty

In Minnesota....they had to pick 3 similar (but totally different) murder 2 & 3 charges, just so he wouldn't get off in a technicality of 'not proven'
And if they failed to prove that in court, they cant try a second time...even if he confessed....It's Double Jeopardy

He's (likely) to get 20 years (the highest time they can give).....but he will only serve 75% of the total conviction (at the most) 8 years in a correctional facility....the rest on license...(at home with his family)

Minnesota even have a jail already picked out.....which already houses other Policemen.....Think about it.......a jail that's reserved for Police..... 😳

He's likely to do 2 - 3 years in that jail and then be moved to a low category jail.....Minnesota Police federation have already agreed to act as his fund for legal costs (and will pay him a pension) and will no doubt push for release in 3+ years on licenses and then the re-housing of him and his family outside of the state.

So justice........seen to be done.......but is it......If you have the money to pay for it, you can do minimum time for your crime
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
Good decision and hopefully a long standing symbolic one for change in America👍
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Depends on whether it deals with the deep seated cultural racial prejudices that exist in US society.
As guilty as he is I still think there are others who've got away with their responsibilities, and there's an element of scapegoat about the conviction.
 
This whole incident was totally avoidable & one of many by all account. There's a way of defusing situations without adding to the mayhem by pointing guns & barking orders. On a lesser non racist scale I've seen our police exercise extreme patience with agitated people & avoid the situation escalating. Perhaps this judgement will go some way to stop some of these thuggish types of police officers who think they are above the law.
 
Plumbs said:
Depends on whether it deals with the deep seated cultural racial prejudices that exist in US society.
As guilty as he is I still think there are others who've got away with their responsibilities, and there's an element of scapegoat about the conviction.
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Aye, it could be dressed up as one bad apple etc, but would like to think it’s the start of a sea change there with the focus now on the issue.
 
Recidivist3 said:
Confused thinking
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Its not. Its quite relevant to point out that the US has prejudices running right through its society, and the book being thrown at one man doesn't make those things disappear.
The penal system is another aspect that's run for profit rather than provide rehabilitation and a better way of living, as what can black people who've been incarcerated come out to?
More prejudice,exclusion and poverty?

A long,long way to go -probably 3 or four generations -and this is only a small but welcome step.
 
todayistheday said:
How could he have a fair trial with all the coverage, where were his rights.
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WHAT...... 🙄
You mean his right to a fair trial, his right to be represented by a lawyer, his right for a day in court with a judge & jury....or even his right to appeal

SO.....He got every possible right......but what about the right to have a Policeman protect and serve......the right not to be killed for misdemeanours, the right not to be judged because of the colour of your skin........George Floyd was denied EVERY right by this Policeman......but that Policeman was given EVERY right going.......and he was still found guilty.

Unless you meant something totally different?
 
Wizaard said:
Are you saying an innocent man has been jailed wrongly in the name of political expedience?

Interesting that a few on here who couldn't wait to trot out the previous history of the victim are now happy to see a conviction.
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I'm not saying he was innocent but I can't help thinking all the threats of violence had an influence on the verdict.
 
He was resisting arrest and he used a technique he was trained to do to restrain him.

So if you were a white copper in America and you need to use restraint to arrest a black man are you now telling me they won’t think twice?

This is a huge victory for BLM.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
WHAT...... 🙄
You mean his right to a fair trial, his right to be represented by a lawyer, his right for a day in court with a judge & jury....or even his right to appeal

SO.....He got every possible right......but what about the right to have a Policeman protect and serve......the right not to be killed for misdemeanours, the right not to be judged because of the colour of your skin........George Floyd was denied EVERY right by this Policeman......but that Policeman was given EVERY right going.......and he was still found guilty.

Unless you meant something totally different?
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So he was judged based on the colour of his skin?
 
King Billy said:
He was resisting arrest and he used a technique he was trained to do to restrain him.

So if you were a white copper in America and you need to use restraint to arrest a black man are you now telling me they won’t think twice?

This is a huge victory for BLM.
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Use a different technique and don't choke people to death seems to be the lesson to be learned.
 
Sooty59 said:
This whole incident was totally avoidable & one of many by all account. There's a way of defusing situations without adding to the mayhem by pointing guns & barking orders. On a lesser non racist scale I've seen our police exercise extreme patience with agitated people & avoid the situation escalating. Perhaps this judgement will go some way to stop some of these thuggish types of police officers who think they are above the law.
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Or it gives a power shift to the criminals knowing full well the police can’t react.
 
I was privileged to meet and chat with Samuel Billy Kyles some years ago at the National Civil Rights Museum based inside the Lorraine Motel where Martin Luther King was assassinated, he was on the balcony with him on that dreadful night. He gave talks on the CRM and of course the happenings in Memphis that week, after the talk ended I mentioned to him how things had progressed since those days, and he said ‘long way to go yet brother, long way to go yet’ Unfortunately how right he was, and that was 13 years ago.
 
EagleDay said:
I'm not saying he was innocent but I can't help thinking all the threats of violence had an influence on the verdict.
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And all the dredging up of misdemeanours by George Floyd were a pathetic attempt to deflect from the basis of the trial and fortunately failed.

The defence essentially was that because Floyd had a history of petty crime he deserved to die.

Guilty was the only reasonable outcome when set against the defence offered.
 
Of course he was guilty. Kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes! And George Floyd's hands were cuffed behind his back, so he was restrained anyway. So why the need to kneel on his neck? He's got what he deserved for a truly awful crime.
 
The underlying racist comments on this board ** piss me off. They're so blatant.

Anyone who saw any clips from this shows the situation and what was going on, there's no grey area here. It's murder. Whether he's a rapist, thieves from primark or has broken the speed limit, that cop has a duty to him and the public. And he failed and has rightly gone to prison. There's no discussion about the rights or wrongs here.
 
King Billy said:
He was resisting arrest and he used a technique he was trained to do to restrain him.

So if you were a white copper in America and you need to use restraint to arrest a black man are you now telling me they won’t think twice?

This is a huge victory for BLM.
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You're some guy.
 
Wizaard said:
And all the dredging up of misdemeanours by George Floyd were a pathetic attempt to deflect from the basis of the trial and fortunately failed.

The defence essentially was that because Floyd had a history of petty crime he deserved to die.

Guilty was the only reasonable outcome when set against the defence offered.
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Floyd was charged with aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon - hardly a petty crime
 
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