Do we need another striker?

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M61Exile

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Funny how everyone is hoping in January they get a striker - do we need one?! We're hardly bursting the onion bag on a regular basis. Can we make do with what we've got?
 
for me, it's about Madine. He's doing a very good job but he's being asked to do too much by playing ninety minutes or so every game. So the question is is Beesley good enough to play and get goals in the Championship? I expect he'll get a chance to prove himself very soon and then we'll know whether we need another big man up front or not. I don't really see Madine going beyond this season.
 
I've never really understood or bought into this "do we need *insert position*" thing.....

I Appreciate that some positions may have more urgency than others but.......

Any player, in any position, who is within reach and can be brought in, and most importantly who is better than we already have.........WE NEED!
 
John Deary me said:
We have the joint 2nd top scorer in the division being used all wrong .
As has been said before the core of the squad is good the way they are being played isn't.
You can't buy confidence, our squad has had it drained out of them.
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How would you use him?

He's already surpassed last year's total before Xmas, not sure you could argue he's being used incorrectly.......he's capable of playing other roles, absolutely but given his numbers so far it's be tough to say yes being used incorrectly, and he has looked full of confidence playing in that roll, his goal against Watford and his 2 at Sheff U being good examples, he looked devoid of confidence last year in a system that nullified his attributes but i don't think that's the case this season.
 
I do think we need to work out how to better use the assets we have. While we’re depleted and not able to push teams back, it’s tough for Madine on his own up front, and Yates/Lavery aren’t going to supply him with much ammunition.

I know and understand MA’s plan to play 4-3-3, but I think his intended plan relies on being able to dominate midfield, which if you put in a Bridcutt/Steward with Patino and Dougall, maybe we can do, but right now, I can understand the call to get Yates up front with Madine. For me what’s happening now, is rather than having Dougall press the opposition in their half, while Patino plays “quarterback” they both end up firefighting in front of our defence.

Hopefully recoveries and Jan signings can let us get that shape working (maybe we have a look at that Oxford lad, Brandon or something think his name was??) but for now, I’d do a Mike Bassett and go 4-4-f’ing 2. 😁
 
We only have Jerry that you can just about rely on to get you goals BUT the problem is still creating goal scoring opportunities.
So that's the key signing for me, Charlie Adam reborn is what we need on so many levels.
Of course it would help if we could score more goals from other areas of the pitch.
 
Marton Monorail said:
How would you use him?

He's already surpassed last year's total before Xmas, not sure you could argue he's being used incorrectly.......he's capable of playing other roles, absolutely but given his numbers so far it's be tough to say yes being used incorrectly, and he has looked full of confidence playing in that roll, his goal against Watford and his 2 at Sheff U being good examples, he looked devoid of confidence last year in a system that nullified his attributes but i don't think that's the case this season.
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The games he's been doing well in and scored in he's not been sat as deep and him and madine as a partnership in a 4-4-2 look good .
If it's a case of survival playing Yates too deep is not going to keep us up.
 
Marton Monorail said:
How would you use him?

He's already surpassed last year's total before Xmas, not sure you could argue he's being used incorrectly.......he's capable of playing other roles, absolutely but given his numbers so far it's be tough to say yes being used incorrectly, and he has looked full of confidence playing in that roll, his goal against Watford and his 2 at Sheff U being good examples, he looked devoid of confidence last year in a system that nullified his attributes but i don't think that's the case this season.
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For me, Yates is being played too much as a winger. He's staying out wide too much which although it helps the team defensively doesn't do much for us as an attacking force. Think he's given that role because of his energy levels to track back. I think he's best suited playing much closer to Madine
 
Philbfctrois said:
Yes striker, midfielder 2 wingers, cover at right back and experience in central defence

Basically the same as we needed 4 months ago
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I'll eat my Season Ticket if we bring 6 quality players in January to fill those roles.

To go after Simms and Bishop who can lead the line in a 4-3-3 and bring fuck all in was criminal so now we're left scattering around in the bargain basement of the next transfer window.
 
John Deary me said:
The games he's been doing well in and scored in he's not been sat as deep and him and madine as a partnership in a 4-4-2 look good .
If it's a case of survival playing Yates too deep is not going to keep us up.
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We haven't played a 4-4-2 all season except for Saturday 2ndnhalfnwhen Yates was substituted, he played in a 4-4-2 last season but was completely nullified, Yates doesn't drop deep through choice he's playing in the front 3, but often he doesn't have an option depending who's playing behind him, playing off the right he's never had a proper Right Back behind him, let's be honest we've struggled in midfield all season he that for quality or personnel, with a proper full back and a better midfield behind he'd be able to play further up the pitch more often.

But, he's still producing his best season in his career (given the level he's at) playing in that position, it's not being incorrectly used that's the issue, it's the lack of quality and a specialist full back behind him to enable him to play higher
 
If MA ever gets the players to play 433, then probably not at this moment. Madine wouldn't need to play 90 mins every game, nor every game as long as Beesley is an adequate replacement. Even then you could have, JY, SL + 1 (CJ, Pov, TC) playing the 3, that way you could close down (I Fin hate press) high up the pitch which would be nice.
 
If we were missing a hat full of chances every game then yes we would.
Issue is our strikers are currently feeding off scraps because our midfield is way below par - and has been for over two years.
Plus - does anyone else think our back 4 sits too deep, inviting attacks, and making passing through the middle risky due to the distances?
We've got to put the squeeze on opponents and back our speedy defenders - and that means you Marv, and erm ... 🤣
 
We have 4 so called strikers yet we aren't scoring many goals . I have to agree with previous posts that we need to create more chances . I think CJ has improved enough to warrant his chance to start and I think Povada should be brought on earlier in games . Hopefully this would create a few more chances for the stickers to do their job.
 
Vince McLean said:
If we were missing a hat full of chances every game then yes we would.
Issue is our strikers are currently feeding off scraps because our midfield is way below par - and has been for over two years.
Plus - does anyone else think our back 4 sits too deep, inviting attacks, and making passing through the middle risky due to the distances?
We've got to put the squeeze on opponents and back our speedy defenders - and that means you Marv, and erm ... 🤣
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I certainly recall making enough comments last season about our failure to create chances and our forwards having to feed off scraps. I think in that respect it's been slightly better than last season.

As for the back four, well we got caught out on saturday by not sitting deep although to be fair it was a wonderful ball from Robinson to give the player a chance to score. My concern is more the opposite to you. By pushing up so much, and at times i think we do, you can allow too much space between your keeper and back four and many times this season opposition midfield players have made a run beyond their own forwards and our back line into that space and created numerous chances to score.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
For me it's about movement off the ball and the man with the ball anticipating that movement. In other words, taking your training ground stuff onto the pitch.
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The last two games the players have looked like they've never seen each other on a training ground which is unacceptable as they've just had 3 or 4 weeks to sort things out!
I'm not convinced that we have enough players with the ability or football intelligence to make 4 3 3 work.
Until we get them play a system that puts 2 up front which suits our strikers and try and come up with the best combination in midfield and defence.
4 3 3 isn't working often enough with the current crop of players.
 
Out of the ruins
Out from the wreckage
Can't make the same mistake this time
We are the children
The last generation (the last generation, generation)
We are the ones they left behind
And, I wonder when we are ever gonna change, change
Living under the fear, 'til nothing else remains

We don't need another striker
We just need to win a game at home
All we want is life beyond the Appletone
 
20togo said:
I certainly recall making enough comments last season about our failure to create chances and our forwards having to feed off scraps. I think in that respect it's been slightly better than last season.

As for the back four, well we got caught out on saturday by not sitting deep although to be fair it was a wonderful ball from Robinson to give the player a chance to score. My concern is more the opposite to you. By pushing up so much, and at times i think we do, you can allow too much space between your keeper and back four and many times this season opposition midfield players have made a run beyond their own forwards and our back line into that space and created numerous chances to score.
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Yep, fair point - and tactics are all about opinions.
Pushing up requires protection from fast defenders and good footballers.
Man City, Barca, and good teams play very close to each other knocking the ball about under pressure.
I know we are miles from that level, but even so - you have to hope we can do better than recent showings.
 
20togo said:
for me, it's about Madine. He's doing a very good job but he's being asked to do too much by playing ninety minutes or so every game. So the question is is Beesley good enough to play and get goals in the Championship? I expect he'll get a chance to prove himself very soon and then we'll know whether we need another big man up front or not. I don't really see Madine going beyond this season.
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So it's too much to ask a so called professional to play 90 minutes.the truth of the matter is he's not good enough. Gary goals who didn't score 1 in 2 years at Cardiff, and has hardly scored any for us . The goal HE scored against them last week was laughable. Never any direction or power in his headers, that's if he ever challenges for the ball instead of trying to foul or simulating he's been fouled. The stamp on their player was a disgrace with no thought of the consequences. True captain material.
I would give Beezley an extended run in the team to see how he fares. We still require a big man up front , but for me, Madine isn't that man.
 
Charliecleanstonysheens said:
So it's too much to ask a so called professional to play 90 minutes.the truth of the matter is he's not good enough. Gary goals who didn't score 1 in 2 years at Cardiff, and has hardly scored any for us . The goal HE scored against them last week was laughable. Never any direction or power in his headers, that's if he ever challenges for the ball instead of trying to foul or simulating he's been fouled. The stamp on their player was a disgrace with no thought of the consequences. True captain material.
I would give Beezley an extended run in the team to see how he fares. We still require a big man up front , but for me, Madine isn't that man.
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From what's been reported he's been carrying a knock for a good while so yep we're doing well to get ninety minutes out of him. And at least he's earning his money whereas others like Bridcutt and Stewart seem to not have any concern about wanting to be fit to play for the club. And, yep there injuries just never seem to be clearing up.
 
20togo said:
From what's been reported he's been carrying a knock for a good while so yep we're doing well to get ninety minutes out of him. And at least he's earning his money whereas others like Bridcutt and Stewart seem to not have any concern about wanting to be fit to play for the club. And, yep there injuries just never seem to be clearing up.
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I'm sure Bridcutt & Stewart want to be fit, to say they have no concern about wanting to be fit to play for the club is a cheap shot.
 
As a bare minimum an experienced centre half, an experienced midfield destroyer and at least one winger, ideally a right back and another winger. If he wants to play 433 we need better quality in the wide areas
 
20togo said:
For me, Yates is being played too much as a winger. He's staying out wide too much which although it helps the team defensively doesn't do much for us as an attacking force. Think he's given that role because of his energy levels to track back. I think he's best suited playing much closer to Madine
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Moronic.

Yates down the middle last year was completely ineffective, now he's on the LW he's arguably the most inform attacker in the league.

How can't people see that.
 
KingZobo said:
Moronic.

Yates down the middle last year was completely ineffective, now he's on the LW he's arguably the most inform attacker in the league.

How can't people see that.
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You incapable of reading properly? Think it's your post that is moronic. Especially when you say he's the most in form striker in the league. I reckon that a striker who hasn't scored in six games is hardly in form.
 
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poolseasider said:
I'll eat my Season Ticket if we bring 6 quality players in January to fill those roles.

To go after Simms and Bishop who can lead the line in a 4-3-3 and bring fuck all in was criminal so now we're left scattering around in the bargain basement of the next transfer window.
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It's a shame Burton's has closed down 🤣
 
Marton Monorail said:
We haven't played a 4-4-2 all season except for Saturday 2ndnhalfnwhen Yates was substituted, he played in a 4-4-2 last season but was completely nullified, Yates doesn't drop deep through choice he's playing in the front 3, but often he doesn't have an option depending who's playing behind him, playing off the right he's never had a proper Right Back behind him, let's be honest we've struggled in midfield all season he that for quality or personnel, with a proper full back and a better midfield behind he'd be able to play further up the pitch more often.

But, he's still producing his best season in his career (given the level he's at) playing in that position, it's not being incorrectly used that's the issue, it's the lack of quality and a specialist full back behind him to enable him to play higher
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Like I said out of position.
One of the best outlets we have
 
Philbfctrois said:
Yes striker, midfielder 2 wingers, cover at right back and experience in central defence

Basically the same as we needed 4 months ago
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Sounds good, I’m not quite sure where all this money is going to come from though, if SS was confident that would keep us up maybe he’d go for it regardless of the cost to an extent going of the rewards financially of staying in this division, as it stands I’d expect him to get a couple of good players in, a couple of loans and maybe a couple of players who may come good but are a risk, that’s the six & we will be lucky if that all happens
 
We need to play a system that gives our strikers a chance to score more than anything. I reckon Haaland would find it hard to score here under this tactically inept coach.
 
John Deary me said:
We have the joint 2nd top scorer in the division being used all wrong .
As has been said before the core of the squad is good the way they are being played isn't.
You can't buy confidence, our squad has had it drained out of them.
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Totally agree John and we could have another prolific scorer with Lavery. Sadly both are being horribly used by an Appleton system which should be consigned to the bin.
 
20togo said:
You incapable of reading properly? Think it's your post that is moronic. Especially when you say he's the most in form striker in the league. I reckon that a striker who hasn't scored in six games is hardly in form.
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80 year old man in the family stand, wind it in.
 
KingZobo said:
80 year old man in the family stand, wind it in.
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Ooh my little stalker is back after he scuttled off like a sewer rat. Who is this 80 year old man in the family stand you refer to? I've no idea, so why don't you address them directly because for obvious reasons it's nowt to do with me? Anyway tell me about how a player who hasn't scored for six games is considered to be the most inform striker in the division? And did you ever get round to reading the posts properly. Now I know you've scuttled off again but when you return could you tell me why every time you seem to post you seem to make a fuck up with what you're saying?
 
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FLATBACKFOR said:
I'm sure Bridcutt & Stewart want to be fit, to say they have no concern about wanting to be fit to play for the club is a cheap shot.
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Bridcutt and Stewart have both got to be ditched and the midfield sorted. Both are living on their reputations of how good they have been in the past, but on the injury table,for as long as they both have been, is of no use to the team. I know they are both still on contract, but we must bite the bullet and exclude them from the 25 man squad in January.
 
HodderSeasider said:
Bridcutt and Stewart have both got to be ditched and the midfield sorted. Both are living on their reputations of how good they have been in the past, but on the injury table,for as long as they both have been, is of no use to the team. I know they are both still on contract, but we must bite the bullet and exclude them from the 25 man squad in January.
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Think we have no choice in excluding at least Stewart as he was not in the 25 man squad till Xmas, and I think it is widely agreed we need some fresh blood.
I think the squad needs naming at the end of Jan, so expect a lot of outs if there are transfers in.
 
20togo said:
Ooh my little stalker is back after he scuttled off like a sewer rat. Who is this 80 year old man in the family stand you refer to? I've no idea, so why don't you address them directly because for obvious reasons it's nowt to do with me? Anyway tell me about how a player who hasn't scored for six games is considered to be the most inform striker in the division? And did you ever get round to reading the posts properly. Now I know you've scuttled off again but when you return could you tell me why every time you seem to post you seem to make a fuck up with what you're saying?
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Appauling literacy. I smell universal credit.
 
KingZobo said:
Appauling literacy. I smell universal credit.
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"appauling"? 🤡 Do you mean "appalling"? Seems you're not able to answer any of my points. If you're going to continue to stalk me you need to step up to the plate a bit more. Not that you're capable of doing that of course!

Posting at gone 3 am too. Wonder what I smell? Jeez, you must have issues! Get help.
 
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20togo said:
"appauling"? 🤡 Do you mean "appalling"? Seems you're not able to answer any of my points. If you're going to continue to stalk me you need to step up to the plate a bit more. Not that you're capable of doing that of course!

Posting at gone 3 am too. Wonder what I smell? Jeez, you must have issues! Get help.
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Are you capable of writing a comment without editing? 😂

Family stand aggro, love it, don't forget your flask next week.
 
KingZobo said:
Are you capable of writing a comment without editing? 😂

Family stand aggro, love it, don't forget your flask next week.
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My pet stalker is back. You seem to have switched from telling me how the west looks empty to now thinking I sit in the Family Stand. Tell me about this in form Championship striker we have? Not long ago you were saying all our strikers were L1 at best. You struggling with dementia or is yor brain addled with something else? Now jog on.
 
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