Everton heading for a 12 point deduction?

Archibald Knox

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According to the Daily Telegraph, based on £304 million losses over the past 3 seasons. To be applied later in this current season as the Prem League inquiry concludes soon? The possibility (probability?) seems to be threatening the ongoing takeover by Miami-based 777 consortium.
 
According to the Daily Telegraph, based on £304 million losses over the past 3 seasons. To be applied later in this current season as the Prem League inquiry concludes soon? The possibility (probability?) seems to be threatening the ongoing takeover by Miami-based 777 consortium.
I don't think it's necessarily the main threat to 777 AK. I think the prevailing view is that they haven't got anywhere near enough money to afford to buy the club anyway. But we'll see.

It's interesting that the DT reckons that it is the EPL who are pushing for this tough sanction. Why they would want to undermine their own Independent Commission is anyone's guess. Perhaps they don't understand what separation of functions actually means.

I think Everton are going to find it hard to argue they are compliant, but the process should be fair.
 
Maybe pick up some released Everton players in summer.
Happy enough with Bowler and Lavery more of the same would be welcomed.
 
I've always liked Everton, but if they have been cooking the books, then they deserve the punishment.

They've escaped relegation recently, and I know that the teams who were relegated are furious that Everton have got away with this so far. It looks like Leicester will bounce back straight away, but relegation will have cost them millions plus their top players.

We were only relegated by a small margin. We'd have been in uproar if we found out a team who'd just avoided relegation had themselves been cooking the books.
 
According to the Daily Telegraph, based on £304 million losses over the past 3 seasons. To be applied later in this current season as the Prem League inquiry concludes soon? The possibility (probability?) seems to be threatening the ongoing takeover by Miami-based 777 consortium.
And yet the owners of Man Utd are probably servicing loans greater than that.
 
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Plus over at Citeh….. now there’s cooking books on an industrial level.
Nonsense, as long as you can service the debt what’s the issue. We live in a capitalist society!!! FFP was designed by the historic big boys Utd Liverpool Arsenal to prevent any others dining at the top table, they can’t cope with competition and City Newcastle etc have taken their place on the Champions League gravy train, and it’s great to witness.
Its the equivalent of Booths supermarket, a traditional supermarket been around for centuries, having a board meeting and deciding to go for The Tesco market and they pump in loads of cash, buy up prime slots, invest millions in marketing and regenerate the brand. They’d be applauded yet football is somehow different, how are you supposed to get into the Champions league without massive investment. It was a closed shop before, much better now there’s genuine competition to even get into the top 4 than when Utd won everything because no one else had any money
 
Don’t disagree with the sentiment of the big boys not getting all their cake, but to pretend that City are not cooking the books is pure naïveté.

Certainly Fifa think so.
 
Don’t disagree with the sentiment of the big boys not getting all their cake, but to pretend that City are not cooking the books is pure naïveté.

Certainly Fifa think so.
The question for me is this: Are they 'cooking the books' because there's dangerous and nefarious spending going on or is it because FIFA/UEFA have set rules that force them to be 'creative' in order to compete.
 
Don’t disagree with the sentiment of the big boys not getting all their cake, but to pretend that City are not cooking the books is pure naïveté.

Certainly Fifa think so.
In fairness, FIFA/UEFA only seem to pay attention to any club that challenges the status quo. For decades Real, Barca, AC, etc had bankrolled their successes without balancing the books. City and their owners can definitely be accused of sports washing but have pumped millions into the club, surrounding area and community. It's odd how all of a sudden they're interested in where the money is coming from now Barca, Real, etc are struggling to compete. Next step will be Operation Green Street, to find another way of removing English clubs from dominating again.
 
In fairness, FIFA/UEFA only seem to pay attention to any club that challenges the status quo. For decades Real, Barca, AC, etc had bankrolled their successes without balancing the books. City and their owners can definitely be accused of sports washing but have pumped millions into the club, surrounding area and community. It's odd how all of a sudden they're interested in where the money is coming from now Barca, Real, etc are struggling to compete. Next step will be Operation Green Street, to find another way of removing English clubs from dominating again.
Good post.
 
The whole concept of flair play doesn’t even make sense in reality.

If it’s fair play then you want a level playing field for wages and transfers which can happen unless it becomes like the NFL. Then every team across Europe has a ‘fair’ chance of success.

Or it’s a regulation model to stop clubs going bankrupt, in which case the current model they’ve created doesn’t work either.
 
Don’t disagree with the sentiment of the big boys not getting all their cake, but to pretend that City are not cooking the books is pure naïveté.

Certainly Fifa think so.
I read an interesting stat somewhere about how you can correlate success with spending. I can't remember the exact metric but it was kind of about how each point gained cost a certain amount of money.

It was put together with a massive dataset over decades and decades and using loads of different leagues.

Essentially it suggested that there's one of two situations:

A) Guardiola is about 10 times more effective than anyone else who's managed a football club ever because their spend to success metric was way, way out of line with the curve.

B) City are very adept at masking spending and actually have spent a lot more than it appears in the surface.

If it's B) it's no surprise really as clubs have always done this (i.e. to get round max wage back in the day), but as you said above, City are doing it on an industrial level.

I do agree with Materates that there's a lot of envy towards City from clubs who assumed they'd sewn up the right to be the 'big boys' forever but the problem is that we're approaching the scale of money and investment with City and Newcastle that no one in the world will be capable of challenging and when we reach that end game, I'm not sure what happens. We've always had the assumption that sooner or later someone will both outspend and outcoach the dominant force but when the dominant force is the world's richest states, then we end up having to wait for global geopolitics to shift in order for the Premier League to reshape and I'm not sure I'm especially into that.

City are both very good and very rich. They're an excellent football side and absolutely ruthless behind the scenes.

To be honest, I wish the lot of them (all the global capital clubs) would fuck off to a world league and get up to their shenanigans there as I find it boring as fuck and arguing about the relative morality of an American investment group Vs an oil state is like choosing between a glass of piss and a glass of flat lemonade someone has tipped an ashtray in and left for a week.
 
The whole concept of flair play doesn’t even make sense in reality.

If it’s fair play then you want a level playing field for wages and transfers which can happen unless it becomes like the NFL. Then every team across Europe has a ‘fair’ chance of success.

Or it’s a regulation model to stop clubs going bankrupt, in which case the current model they’ve created doesn’t work either.

I've thought about this a ridiculous amount and I'm not convinced by the regulatory model as espoused by the FSA etc. I worry it actually underpins a status quo.

A wage cap would actually work (cos essentially, in a transfer based team sport, wages are akin to drugs in a solo sport - they're how you improve the quality of the body (team) but it would run up against so much legislation I don't know how you'd implement it and it would have to be global or at least Europe wide.

Depressing really.
 
How the hell are they affording the new stadium - or more the case how are they going to service the debt on the loans they've taken out, and the further loans needed to complete the build.
 
I've thought about this a ridiculous amount and I'm not convinced by the regulatory model as espoused by the FSA etc. I worry it actually underpins a status quo.

A wage cap would actually work (cos essentially, in a transfer based team sport, wages are akin to drugs in a solo sport - they're how you improve the quality of the body (team) but it would run up against so much legislation I don't know how you'd implement it and it would have to be global or at least Europe wide.

Depressing really.

It’s why I don’t get the attack on Everton as let’s be honest, the whole thing is just one big free for all and cash cow? For me scrap all the regulations and let it fall where it falls and let them have a super league of billionaires and royal families. Fans can watch that all year round and know it’s just rich people jousting.

Then do the wage cap idea for all other leagues. As a fan you can either watch the money League or the regulated league or both.

That said, I’ve wanted to see an “open” World champion athletics league for a while. Where no level of drug abuse or genetic engineering is banned. Basically physical freaks running 100m in 6 seconds before their heart explodes on the track.
8 foot tall high jumpers doing freaky shit.
 
There's a lot of naivety and lack of understanding amongst football fans regarding what
is breaking the FFP rules and what the rules are about. People tend to think it's simply about
how much money a club has spent. In most cases it's not about how much was spent or lost,
it's about falsifying the accounts.
 
It’s why I don’t get the attack on Everton as let’s be honest, the whole thing is just one big free for all and cash cow? For me scrap all the regulations and let it fall where it falls and let them have a super league of billionaires and royal families. Fans can watch that all year round and know it’s just rich people jousting.

Then do the wage cap idea for all other leagues. As a fan you can either watch the money League or the regulated league or both.

That said, I’ve wanted to see an “open” World champion athletics league for a while. Where no level of drug abuse or genetic engineering is banned. Basically physical freaks running 100m in 6 seconds before their heart explodes on the track.
8 foot tall high jumpers doing freaky shit.
Maybe the same for football, no doping tests, let's see what the new Methi, Rohipnaldo and Cocainio plays like. 😂
 
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