Matesrates
Well-known member
Here we go, get ready for earthquakes
We don't have an abundance of it down below. Part of the issue here is this will do fuck all to help energy prices.Support it or not but with rising gas prices and the abundance of it below ground you can understand the need to extract it.
I think you’ll find there’s millions and millions of cubic feet of it under the Fylde coast and the 2 other test areas Cuadrilla originally set up.We don't have an abundance of it down below. Part of the issue here is this will do fuck all to help energy prices.
That’s odd. As the guy who founded Cuadrilla is saying the complete opposite.I think you’ll find there’s millions and millions of cubic feet of it under the Fylde coast and the 2 other test areas Cuadrilla originally set up.
A guy just been on the BBC news saying exactly the same thing.
Only saying what I’ve just watched on the BBC news.That’s odd. As the guy who founded Cuadrilla is saying the complete opposite.
Well obviously one of them is wrong.Only saying what I’ve just watched on the BBC news.
I'd like them to focus their efforts in North East Somerset, preferably under Grease-Knobs constituency office.I think the ban will only be lifted in certain parts of the country.
Well if you are listening to a fracking company, you will probably come away thinking it's the greatest thing under the sun. But the British Geological Survey found there was 10-15x less of it than we previously thought. There is also absolutely no reason for this has extracted to be sold at less than market value, meaning nobody's bills get any cheaper.I think you’ll find there’s millions and millions of cubic feet of it under the Fylde coast and the 2 other test areas Cuadrilla originally set up.
A guy just been on the BBC news saying exactly the same thing.
Listening to a fracking company?Well if you are listening to a fracking company, you will probably come away thinking it's the greatest thing under the sun. But the British Geological Survey found there was 10-15x less of it than we previously thought. There is also absolutely no reason for this has extracted to be sold at less than market value, meaning nobody's bills get any cheaper.
The situation we are in regarding our energy supply has come about because we have spent decades chasing cheap energy instead of investing in long term security of supply ,plus reduced nuclear capacity before sufficient and financially viable green energy sources are in place.
Fracking is simply a political sticking plaster.
We are on the brink of exactly the same scenario with security of our food supply....
Ok, when you said a guy had just been on I thought that's what you meant. So let's look at 'millions and millions of cubic feet'. Certainly sounds like a lot. Except the UK uses 78 billion cubic feet per year. Either you or this reporter weren't very specific about what 'millions and millions' means but let's say a 50 million. So this load in Lancashire would make up 0.06% of our gas demand. Brilliant that. Well worth causing earthquakes and destroying the local land and property values. And I'm no geological expert. But listening to the ones that are, the complexity of our country means fracking is highly inefficient, in some places impossible, and in all places dangerous.Listening to a fracking company?
As said I was listening to a BBC reporter on the BBC breakfast news.
Apologies but I can’t make it any clearer than that.
Not content with pouring excrement into our shorelines, the Tories are now aiming at causing earthquakes in the mainland. It's all going very well isn't it.Rees Mogg has just piped up that the limit on tremors is too low and will be raised to enable fracking to proceed. Great.
Rees Mogg has just piped up that the limit on tremors is too low and will be raised to enable fracking to proceed. Great.
It’s also only practical / possible to extract a small percentage of the available gas.Ok, when you said a guy had just been on I thought that's what you meant. So let's look at 'millions and millions of cubic feet'. Certainly sounds like a lot. Except the UK uses 78 billion cubic feet per year. Either you or this reporter weren't very specific about what 'millions and millions' means but let's say a 50 million. So this load in Lancashire would make up 0.06% of our gas demand. Brilliant that. Well worth causing earthquakes and destroying the local land and property values. And I'm no geological expert. But listening to the ones that are, the complexity of our country means fracking is highly inefficient, in some places impossible, and in all places dangerous.
My guess is they thought it would be an easy policy win. With the energy crisis and increase in support for securing our energy supply, Truss probably thought just announcing it even though it's practically useless would be an applause line. If so, she has badly miscalculated the mood of the British public, and many of her own MPs. While we are desperate for help, that doesn't mean people are stupid and can clearly see a dangerous, pointless and unpopular policy when they see one.It’s also only practical / possible to extract a small percentage of the available gas.
I’m struggling to see where this policy decision is coming from tbh.
Maybe the government see an opportunity to raise a few quid from licensing again. Maybe it’s about appeasement or a geopolitical ‘statement’.
Whichever way you look at it, this definitely isn’t an answer to the long term energy security of the U.K.
It’s a massive vote loser as a policy and backward at the same time. There’s a massive opportunity to really kick start a real push for alternative technology and she’s chosen to hang her hat on this.My guess is they thought it would be an easy policy win. With the energy crisis and increase in support for securing our energy supply, Truss probably thought just announcing it even though it's practically useless would be an applause line. If so, she has badly miscalculated the mood of the British public, and many of her own MPs. While we are desperate for help, that doesn't mean people are stupid and can clearly see a dangerous, pointless and unpopular policy when they see one.
I’am not Pro fracking for one minute trust me but whatever quantities are down there and it’s beneficial to the U K to extract it then it needs to be looked at.Ok, when you said a guy had just been on I thought that's what you meant. So let's look at 'millions and millions of cubic feet'. Certainly sounds like a lot. Except the UK uses 78 billion cubic feet per year. Either you or this reporter weren't very specific about what 'millions and millions' means but let's say a 50 million. So this load in Lancashire would make up 0.06% of our gas demand. Brilliant that. Well worth causing earthquakes and destroying the local land and property values. And I'm no geological expert. But listening to the ones that are, the complexity of our country means fracking is highly inefficient, in some places impossible, and in all places dangerous.
Speak for yourself, I think causing earthquakes anywhere is a bad thing. I don't just worry about what's on my own doorstep. I also don't think causing ecological damage, causing public unrest, destroying land and property values, and wasting a load of money on a piddly amount of gas that will be sold at exactly the same price as imported gas, is beneficial at all. It's not as simple as 'well whatever is down there we should just take it cause anything is better than nothing'.I’am not Pro fracking for one minute trust me but whatever quantities are down there and it’s beneficial to the U K to extract it then it needs to be looked at.
If these test sites were just outside London or some other place down south would we be as concerned as we are right now here on the Fylde coast?
Probably not I’d say.
It's absolutely bizarre isn't it. Have you seen this news about also lifting bans on importing fur, foie gras and live animal exports? It's like she's playing Prime Minister on hard mode, trying to find the policies that are not only the most pointless, but also the most unpopular. I can't think of anything the public will hate more. I mean, I'm big on animal welfare and even I cringe a bit at how often Brits seem to care more and show more support for animals than their fellow human beings. It's like the fox hunting policy from the 2017 election which was part of May's disastrous campaign. It's an absolute gift for Labour all this.It’s a massive vote loser as a policy and backward at the same time. There’s a massive opportunity to really kick start a real push for alternative technology and she’s chosen to hang her hat on this.
That’s your view and you are entitled to them by all means but the people who count at the end of the day are the politicians/government who obviously think it is worth exploring further.Speak for yourself, I think causing earthquakes anywhere is a bad thing. I don't just worry about what's on my own doorstep. I also don't think causing ecological damage, causing public unrest, destroying land and property values, and wasting a load of money on a piddly amount of gas that will be sold at exactly the same price as imported gas, is beneficial at all. It's not as simple as 'well whatever is down there we should just take it cause anything is better than nothing'.
A load of shite. Are earthquakes Russian propaganda?Interesting article on anti-gas propaganda: https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/december-2019/the-plot-against-fracking/
and for another source: https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ing-with-environmentalists-to-oppose-fracking
The head of one of the world’s leading groups of democratic nations has accused Russia of undermining projects using hydraulic fracturing technology in Europe.
Anders Fogh Rasmussen, secretary-general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato), and former premier of Denmark, told the Chatham House thinktank in London on Thursday that Vladimir Putin’s government was behind attempts to discredit fracking, according to reports.
I’m sure there’s gas under Hyde parkReally looking forward to seeing the fracking sites in Kensington and Chelsea
She says she’s happy to be unpopular, I doubt many of her MPs in red wall seats will be happyIt's absolutely bizarre isn't it. Have you seen this news about also lifting bans on importing fur, foie gras and live animal exports? It's like she's playing Prime Minister on hard mode, trying to find the policies that are not only the most pointless, but also the most unpopular. I can't think of anything the public will hate more. I mean, I'm big on animal welfare and even I cringe a bit at how often Brits seem to care more and show more support for animals than their fellow human beings. It's like the fox hunting policy from the 2017 election which was part of May's disastrous campaign. It's an absolute gift for Labour all this.
You should look up what our esteemed cabinet members were saying about fracking just a few months ago. Start off with the Chancellor.That’s your view and you are entitled to them by all means but the people who count at the end of the day are the politicians/government who obviously think it is worth exploring further.
Little point in reading it now the ban on fracking has been lifted wether we agree or disagree end of.You should look up what our esteemed cabinet members were saying about fracking just a few months ago. Start off with the Chancellor.
That's not how I see it. The public expressing their outrage and distrust is often how unpopular policies get overturned. So it's not 'end of'.Little point in reading it now the ban on fracking has been lifted wether we agree or disagree end of.
It got overturned 12-18 months ago when fracking was banned.That's not how I see it. The public expressing their outrage and distrust is often how unpopular policies get overturned. So it's not 'end of'.
This was always going to be the next step. They couldn’t provide enough return for investors, having to keep stop / start production. The so called traffic light system will be changed, but of course that also runs the risk of more severe earthquakes, damage to the well head and potential leak of radioactive waste.Rees Mogg has just piped up that the limit on tremors is too low and will be raised to enable fracking to proceed. Great.
There used to be acres and acres of greenhouses around Blackpool growing tomatoes so I don't see a problem with your polytunnel proposal.This was always going to be the next step. They couldn’t provide enough return for investors, having to keep stop / start production. The so called traffic light system will be changed, but of course that also runs the risk of more severe earthquakes, damage to the well head and potential leak of radioactive waste.
Nice.
Re food production - our family owned farm land up near Bleasdale and DEFRA were always trying to encourage us to develop the hedges for wildlife, wildflower meadows, scrapes for wildlife diversification, etc. Very little help or commitment for general farming needs and/or food production. The priorities are all wrong. Think I saw recently, multi storey polytunnel production of tomatoes. For a country lacking the vast spaces of say, America, this should be something we are using and encouraging, to make output levels more economically viable for farmers’ without vast acres of land.
It’s as though she doesn’t want or expect to win the next election and is using what time in power she has to make as much money as she can for her cronies and backers.It's absolutely bizarre isn't it. Have you seen this news about also lifting bans on importing fur, foie gras and live animal exports? It's like she's playing Prime Minister on hard mode, trying to find the policies that are not only the most pointless, but also the most unpopular. I can't think of anything the public will hate more. I mean, I'm big on animal welfare and even I cringe a bit at how often Brits seem to care more and show more support for animals than their fellow human beings. It's like the fox hunting policy from the 2017 election which was part of May's disastrous campaign. It's an absolute gift for Labour all this.
Come on now it’s a bit unfair of you to be looking at proven facts. Especially when we can blame RussiaA load of shite. Are earthquakes Russian propaganda?
This was always going to be the next step. They couldn’t provide enough return for investors, having to keep stop / start production. The so called traffic light system will be changed, but of course that also runs the risk of more severe earthquakes, damage to the well head and potential leak of radioactive waste.
Nice.
What a defeatist attitudeLittle point in reading it now the ban on fracking has been lifted wether we agree or disagree end of.
Anyway Lost you’ll be pleased to hear the fracking debate is being widely reported by the BBCHave you got a link to this threat of radioactive waste, because you've mentioned it a couple of times and it's the first I've heard of it.
It's been lifted but, as per the article I pinned above, there is nobody willing to invest as it's too difficult in the UK.It got overturned 12-18 months ago when fracking was banned.
That ban has now been lifted.
We can argue about it till the Cows come home but it won’t change the fact the fracking ban has been lifted.
So until the next time……….
We’ve no worries then Mac all will be well.It's been lifted but, as per the article I pinned above, there is nobody willing to invest as it's too difficult in the UK.