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poolseasider said:
Does he fuck Champagne socialists talk a good game but live like capitalists.

Starmer and his comrades gave the game away with the Truss budget banging the drum about the markets taking a hit.
Socialists not a chance it'll be Blair mark ll because let's be honest between the Tory's and Labour there ain't a fag paper between the two rotten parties.
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Does who fuck champagne socialists?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
You do have a lot of hate inside you.
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A lot of hate, weird post, there's no hate, but who should be happy about freeloaders and rule breakers?

We have a system that you pay into and some people just rock up and take advantage, that should annoy anyone normal.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Well it looks like you're going to get your wish fairly soon as Starmer is looking pretty much nailed on to form a 'socialist' government. It'll be interesting to see how you and all the other fake socialists on here view the UK then.
So as a 'socialist' do you practice what you preach and share out your own wealth?
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What I don't do is evade my responsibilities as a taxpayer and move my wealth out of this country, like so many Tories, nor do I deliberately take money off the poorest sections of society and give it to the richest to "encourage investment ".

This country has been brought to ruin by this shower over the last 12 years and still you defend them. Pathetic.
 
JJpool said:
It's a perfectly good post, it's a shite look to have homeless veterans on the street whilst the country falls over itself to house and pay for illegal immigrants, after making very little effort to stop them coming.
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If there are homeless veterans on the streets, ask yourself why that is. Anyway who and where are they? Illegal immigrants are not hosted and paid for. They are shipped out.
 
JJpool said:
This is an absolute disgrace and also why some on the left are considered a complete joke for not calling this out, you can’t dismiss whats going on here.

Yes there legal immigration, genuine refugees etc.

But the vast majority being housed now in hotels all around the UK are illegals who shouldn't be here.

They aren't fleeing a dangerous country, France ffs, probably 90% fighting age men, very few women, children or old people.

It's costing an absolute fortune, a lot of them crossing are Albanian who just go missing and end up in criminal activities, so the UK is becoming unsafer all the time.

The government needs to get a grip fast, weve become far too soft, this shouldn't be about left or right, any side should see this is an absolute farce and a disgrace.

To see ex army on the streets and these mostly economic migrants houses at great cost to the tax payers in often good hotels too is a joke.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592618534089420800
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12 years of Tory Government and its the left's fault for not calling it out.

Only one side has the power to do anything about it and they've chosen to deliberately cut down on the public sector responsible for managing it.

It's almost as if they're creating a crisis to deflect from the omnishambles elsewhere. It's all the fault of immigrants and nothing to do with us, honest.

You're being scammed.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
If there are homeless veterans on the streets, ask yourself why that is. Anyway who and where are they? Illegal immigrants are not hosted and paid for. They are shipped out.
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Forget the homeless for a second, the issue is just highlighting the bad optics of having homeless veterans sleep rough and illegal immigrants put up and paid for.

Are you even upto speed with how it works?

Well, many just vanish and join the underworld of crime, which is just great...

But others who don't go missing, who are mostly fighting age men, they know to destroy all evidence of who they are etc so there's nowhere to send them back to, of course they end up staying and being housed etc.

It's costing billions for the hotels alone....
 
Wizaard said:
12 years of Tory Government and its the left's fault for not calling it out.

Only one side has the power to do anything about it and they've chosen to deliberately cut down on the public sector responsible for managing it.

It's almost as if they're creating a crisis to deflect from the omnishambles elsewhere. It's all the fault of immigrants and nothing to do with us, honest.

You're being scammed.
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The tories have made a right mess of it, as they have with Brexit really, not taking advantage of the actual available benefits of that much.

I said some on the left don't call it out, clearly sensible ones do, but some come up with all sorts of reasons amd excuses as to why it's not a outrage, it is.

I'm not being scammed for anything, I've always thought and always will think, that illegal immigration is completely wrong.

It's wrong on the good people of the country who are paying into the system, it undermines the rules.

Is it a manufactured crisis or just them failing to deal with it... probably the latter as they just can't stop it under the current soft approach. People know when they come with no idea where they're from or who they are it's hard to send them back anywhere.

Some sort of message needs sending that anyone who arrives illegally will not stay, there's no war in France, come by proper channels or nothing.

I couldnt give a toss about labour or the tories, have voted for both in the past but none feel like home, as millions of others say too.

For me it's just about fairness and common sense.

We have rules to get into the country, you can't just rock up with no ID and play the system and stay, but they do.

Pretty understandable people wouldn't be happy about that.
 
JJpool said:
Forget the homeless for a second, the issue is just highlighting the bad optics of having homeless veterans sleep rough and illegal immigrants put up and paid for.

Are you even upto speed with how it works?

Well, many just vanish and join the underworld of crime, which is just great...

But others who don't go missing, who are mostly fighting age men, they know to destroy all evidence of who they are etc so there's nowhere to send them back to, of course they end up staying and being housed etc.

It's costing billions for the hotels alone....
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What’s the plan then? Machine guns facing the straights of Dover?
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
What’s the plan then? Machine guns facing the straights of Dover?
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"What could they do? They could ensure that British naval vessels stop assisting the people smuggling networks. At present our coastguard and others meet the boats that the gangs send out, greet the people mid-way and then bring them safely into Britain, where all of them will stay even if they commit further crimes. It is an exact replay of the mistakes the EU made which led to the migration crisis of 2015, a crisis I watched unfold first-hand and described in The Strange Death of Europe.

Watching the same mistakes play out here at home is tragic, and wholly avoidable. The previous Home Secretary, Priti Patel, nobly attempted to solve the dilemma by copying what our allies in Australia did a decade ago when they faced similar illegal flotillas. The Australians put the illegal migrants onto neutral territory where their claims could be very slowly processed. Among much else this proved a terrific deterrent. Today Australia does not have an illegal migration problem.

But when Patel announced her plan to offshore law-breakers to Rwanda, all hell broke loose among the liberal commentariat and grandstanding MPs of all parties. “I don’t want to live in a country which treats people like this”, they wailed. The Rwanda plan consisted of flying people who had broken our laws to a hotel in Rwanda with a swimming pool. If that is regarded as the height of barbarism these days then I would love to know what the lap of luxury might be.

The Patel plan was foiled because the rest of the government had failed to do what needed to be done on a legal level to stop so-called “human rights campaigners” effectively dictating UK immigration policy. All that is needed is withdrawal from the ECHR, the replacement of it with an almost precise replica of the rights afforded in it (so as not to overly spook the centrists) with minute alterations to the wording on illegal migration.

Yet this is a medium-term fix. The answer in the short term is to stop the boats. And to do this there are already existing laws. The thousands of Albanians who have broken into our country in the past year have already broken the law. All can be returned to Albania and should be. Albania is a safe country. To get here the migrants have come through safe country after safe country. So we should charter flights and fly them back – to a man. And it is, incidentally, almost all men."

www.telegraph.co.uk

Britain has finally woken up to the scandal of illegal immigration

Polls show the public has rightfully lost patience over failures to use Brexit to take back control of our borders. A reckoning will follow
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
JJpool said:
Wow, so we should just cast ourselves back to a 3rd world country and share everything...

We can't solve all the other countries issues, even at a big level to us the level of immigration doesn’t even scratch the surface of poor countries populations.

I suppose you will happily give all you've ever worked for up for someone with a better need then? Give it all to Africa maybe and go and live in a tent for the greater good? Na didn't think so.

I agree debts could be cancelled, even for our country as they are beyond what will ever be paid, the banking system is broken and far too much money is just 'created'.

Wanting to be tough on illegal immigration is nothing to do with right wing propaganda, most sensible people see this isn't right.

Of course we have empathy with those worse off than ourselves, people can contribute in ways to help people on less well off countries.

Of course there is a link between housing illegals and our homeless, not that its the people wanting a better lifes fault, but the link is look at how the country falls over itself to house, look after immigrants, often ones who came illegally, compared to how it treats it's homeless veterans. Shows the priorities doesn't it.

Housing people is hard enough yet there no link with struggling to house people when they are giving out houses to people who shouldn't be here? come on this is pretty simple.

Costing us billions of pounds to deal with them whilst genuine services are cut for people who have paid into th system their whole lives.

The system may not be fair, in an ideal world maybe it would be fair, bit it isn't, so therefore when we pay into things we don't expect people to break the rules and come here taking things for free.

Nor do we want illegals arriving and vanishing then adding to crime.

Really don't get how this is classed as right wing, it's pretty sensible stuff and if you go round asking people on the street, most would agree.

Also we can't keep taking unlimited people from 3rd world countries and not expect to become one ourselves in some form, you see it more and more.

People with massively different values and beliefs, you can see in the Asian grooming gangs its very much cultural, then we have this countries complete inability to deal with it and call it out, actually siding with the scumbags out of fear of seeming racist, an absolute disgrace.

We have rules for a reason, because we're a soft touch the illegals know they can just head out in a boat and be picked up by the RNLI taxi service and shipped here for a comfortable life, on us if necessary. Free health care, free house, soft on crime. No wonder they come over in such numbers, we need a deterrent.

Anyone who arrives illegally will not stay and find a way to enforce it, might stop the masses from coming.
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Fcuk me did you really type all that yourself? You did all that just for AVFTT to make a point?

I notice you make a lot of lengthy posts all day long.

Serious question. I never read it because I'd get bored as it was far too long for a normal person who reads a football website for a bit of fun. I would have issues with myself typing that much at my work where I get paid! So unessesary to write so much for nothing.

You should direct these essays to your MP or a paper or something?
 
Always tangerine said:
Referring to people seeking asylum as " illegals" is very unpleasant. There are very few legal means of coming here to seek asylum . Of course youll say theyre economic migrants. Go and meet some and find out their stories , but I doubt you can be bothered.
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Nonsense. Are you suggesting there should be loads of legal means of coming here to seek asylum?
 
Macseasider said:
Fcuk me did you really type all that yourself? You did all that just for AVFTT to make a point?

I notice you make a lot of lengthy posts all day long.

Serious question. I never read it because I'd get bored as it was far too long for a normal person who reads a football website for a bit of fun. I would have issues with myself typing that much at my work where I get paid! So unessesary to write so much for nothing.

You should direct these essays to your MP or a paper or something?
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I take it you can't type very fast?

You don't have time to read but do have time to see when I'm posting stuff? Hmmm.

I guess its good you knew exactly where I was and my circumstances then, phew.

Nah I'll just carry on posting as normal thanks.
 
The Champagne Socialist thing is basic and shows a lack of understanding.

There's a big difference between being happy to pay more tax towards public services and wanting to share everything.
 
JJpool said:
"What could they do? They could ensure that British naval vessels stop assisting the people smuggling networks. At present our coastguard and others meet the boats that the gangs send out, greet the people mid-way and then bring them safely into Britain, where all of them will stay even if they commit further crimes. It is an exact replay of the mistakes the EU made which led to the migration crisis of 2015, a crisis I watched unfold first-hand and described in The Strange Death of Europe.

Watching the same mistakes play out here at home is tragic, and wholly avoidable. The previous Home Secretary, Priti Patel, nobly attempted to solve the dilemma by copying what our allies in Australia did a decade ago when they faced similar illegal flotillas. The Australians put the illegal migrants onto neutral territory where their claims could be very slowly processed. Among much else this proved a terrific deterrent. Today Australia does not have an illegal migration problem.

But when Patel announced her plan to offshore law-breakers to Rwanda, all hell broke loose among the liberal commentariat and grandstanding MPs of all parties. “I don’t want to live in a country which treats people like this”, they wailed. The Rwanda plan consisted of flying people who had broken our laws to a hotel in Rwanda with a swimming pool. If that is regarded as the height of barbarism these days then I would love to know what the lap of luxury might be.

The Patel plan was foiled because the rest of the government had failed to do what needed to be done on a legal level to stop so-called “human rights campaigners” effectively dictating UK immigration policy. All that is needed is withdrawal from the ECHR, the replacement of it with an almost precise replica of the rights afforded in it (so as not to overly spook the centrists) with minute alterations to the wording on illegal migration.

Yet this is a medium-term fix. The answer in the short term is to stop the boats. And to do this there are already existing laws. The thousands of Albanians who have broken into our country in the past year have already broken the law. All can be returned to Albania and should be. Albania is a safe country. To get here the migrants have come through safe country after safe country. So we should charter flights and fly them back – to a man. And it is, incidentally, almost all men."

www.telegraph.co.uk

Britain has finally woken up to the scandal of illegal immigration

Polls show the public has rightfully lost patience over failures to use Brexit to take back control of our borders. A reckoning will follow
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
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Ask yourself who has reduced the resource needed to tackle the problem. It's all at the government's door. It suits them not to resolve it.
 
Wizaard said:
Ask yourself who has reduced the resource needed to tackle the problem. It's all at the government's door. It suits them not to resolve it.
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It makes them look completely incompetent after getting brexit and having the power now to stop it and then failing to do so.

So not sure that's a good strategy, to add to their list of other failures with a general election not all that far away.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
The Champagne Socialist thing is basic and shows a lack of understanding.

There's a big difference between being happy to pay more tax towards public services and wanting to share everything.
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As a, what some would consider a "loony leftie" 😂 I'm more than happy to pay more for better public services.

What I do object to is being taxed to pay off kamikaze Tory/IEA economic policy.
 
20togo said:
Nonsense. Are you suggesting there should be loads of legal means of coming here to seek asylum?
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Agree with 20s.
Now one of the 'immigrants' has Diphtheria.
Must have brought it with him/her
We haven't had a case in UK for years thanks to our immunisation system here.
 
Wizaard said:
What I don't do is evade my responsibilities as a taxpayer and move my wealth out of this country, like so many Tories, nor do I deliberately take money off the poorest sections of society and give it to the richest to "encourage investment ".

This country has been brought to ruin by this shower over the last 12 years and still you defend them. Pathetic.
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Exactly where in my post did I defend them?
So stop your usual trick of twisting other people's words round to suit your agenda
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the fake socialists on here. As another poster quite rightly pointed, you're socialists when it suits you until it involves your own wealth. Pathetic
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
You see, this is an area that I work in....and my daily work is across support for both locals and those who have ended up in Blackpool
Government, charities and local agencies are massively active in the Blackpool area because it attracts and has a number of rough sleepers/transients who come here for a wide number of reasons.
The help is there.....loads of it, all signposted and delivered for anyone that wants it, needs it or requests it.....

I see the rough sleepers everyday travelling through Blackpool, as well as the que at The Salvation army and see the help that's provided on a daily basis and how good it is.
None of this is being diverted because of the migrants and 'Sketch' and his mates can access it and get off the streets......if they wanted to.
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I was solely referring to the housing situation. I know the Salvation Army do fantastic work and they should be applauded.
Try getting a house through a private landlord it’s like getting registered on a NHS dentist. They are all selling up through a combination of rising interest rates and tenants unable to cover rising rent costs. And where do they go once they are on the streets? They become the councils problem, they will get 56 days emergency accommodation (travel lodges are full of people in this situation) And they don’t have an unlimited amount of houses to put everyone. I know family’s with kids who are staying with friends/family because they can’t get a house.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Exactly where in my post did I defend them?
So stop your usual trick of twisting other people's words round to suit your agenda
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the fake socialists on here. As another poster quite rightly pointed, you're socialists when it suits you until it involves your own wealth. Pathetic
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Who are socialists when it suits? What type of socialism are you referring to?
 
King Billy said:
I was solely referring to the housing situation. I know the Salvation Army do fantastic work and they should be applauded.
Try getting a house through a private landlord it’s like getting registered on a NHS dentist. They are all selling up through a combination of rising interest rates and tenants unable to cover rising rent costs. And where do they go once they are on the streets? They become the councils problem, they will get 56 days emergency accommodation (travel lodges are full of people in this situation) And they don’t have an unlimited amount of houses to put everyone. I know family’s with kids who are staying with friends/family because they can’t get a house.
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Selling off of council housing coming home to roost.
 
20togo said:
Bollux. Answer the point. You leftie socialists seriously think you are the moral guardians for the world.
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If, in your usual convoluted manner, you mean that socialism has an open morality then yes, it has. This contrasts with the selective morality of right wing creeds.
 
tommytwojags said:
Saying that posters' opinions are meaningless is meaningless. Try to give an opinion of your own.
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I did not say that posters opinions are meaningless. I was referring to the comment you made about socialism. It's a line that has been used many times before to the point that it has become a tired old cliche. It is also meaningless in the socialist concept of the ownership of property.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
Yes. As socialism is a broad ideology, it would be helpful to understand what sort of socialism or the people you are referring to.

I’m no expert in socialism but your comments came across as a bit lazy, that’s all.
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OK fair enough. Maybe they are a bit lazy and a bit general.
My point was about people who bang on about socialism but don't practice it. To some people socialism is seen as a bit trendy and they love to be seen as socialists. But in reality they're far from it. I actually know a few.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
OK fair enough. Maybe they are a bit lazy and a bit general.
My point was about people who bang on about socialism but don't practice it. To some people socialism is seen as a bit trendy and they love to be seen as socialists. But in reality they're far from it. I actually know a few.
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So what you're inferring is that anyone claiming to be socialist who doesn't give away every single penny is a hypocrite, while it's the duty of every Tory to be a selfish **.

Is that right?
 
Wizaard said:
So what you're inferring is that anyone claiming to be socialist who doesn't give away every single penny is a hypocrite, while it's the duty of every Tory to be a selfish **.

Is that right?
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I didn't infer that at all. Where did I mention 'give away every single penny'. And I can't even see the word Tory in my post at all.
For your information I think this current government are utter shite. And I do think it's time for a change. I just don't see Starmer
and his cronies being the answer but hopefully I'm wrong as they're nailed on to be the next government.
You see the difference between me and you is that I hope the government do a good job, whether that be a Tory or Labour or whatever government. Simply because that would be good for the country and good for all of us.
So stop twisting things round to suit your agenda.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
I didn't infer that at all. Where did I mention 'give away every single penny'. And I can't even see the word Tory in my post at all.
For your information I think this current government are utter shite. And I do think it's time for a change. I just don't see Starmer
and his cronies being the answer but hopefully I'm wrong as they're nailed on to be the next government.
You see the difference between me and you is that I hope the government do a good job, whether that be a Tory or Labour or whatever government. Simply because that would be good for the country and good for all of us.
So stop twisting things round to suit your agenda.
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You were dealing in clichés that all socialists talk about sharing wealth but many aim to keep it. What else were you inferring if not that?

I don't have an agenda, unlike your's of see no evil with this lot. You've been hoping for 12 years they'll do a decent job and keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. They've made a horrendous mess but as they've taken us out of the EU, you'll stick with them.
 
You don't have an agenda? Dear me that really is comedy gold!
Once again you're twisting things round to suit that all too obvious one track, hate driven agenda. I've made it quite clear what I think of this current government in my last post.
What part of 'utter shite' do you not understand?
What part of 'I do think it's time for a change' do you not understand?
Please enlighten me as they seem pretty clear.
And you know absolutely nothing about my previous voting or my future voting intentions. So you have no idea who I'll 'stick with'. And as I've said in my previous post, of course I hope the government do a decent job. No matter what colour they are.
I look forward to a change of government. With the added bonus of seeing the biggest u turn in history from you when it comes to your opinion of the UK.
Your hypocrisy will then be laid bare for all to see.
 
I've never fully understood the term champagne socialist? If you have money is it not acceptable to have a concern and want to do better for the poor? I'd prefer wealthy people to be philanthropic and want to pay their fare share of tax but somehow that is sneered at as being trendy?? The alternative is the rich pay less tax than the rest of us due to offshore accounts, clearly some of you prefer that selfish approach.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
You don't have an agenda? Dear me that really is comedy gold!
Once again you're twisting things round to suit that all too obvious one track, hate driven agenda. I've made it quite clear what I think of this current government in my last post.
What part of 'utter shite' do you not understand?
What part of 'I do think it's time for a change' do you not understand?
Please enlighten me as they seem pretty clear.
And you know absolutely nothing about my previous voting or my future voting intentions. So you have no idea who I'll 'stick with'. And as I've said in my previous post, of course I hope the government do a decent job. No matter what colour they are.
I look forward to a change of government. With the added bonus of seeing the biggest u turn in history from you when it comes to your opinion of the UK.
Your hypocrisy will then be laid bare for all to see.
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You still haven't clarified what you mean by fake socialists. I can only guess as you haven't explained. Then you take the huff.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
OK fair enough. Maybe they are a bit lazy and a bit general.
My point was about people who bang on about socialism but don't practice it. To some people socialism is seen as a bit trendy and they love to be seen as socialists. But in reality they're far from it. I actually know a few.
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And yet there are many who believe in degrees of socialism quite legitimately. You don't mention those.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
And yet there are many who believe in degrees of socialism quite legitimately. You don't mention those.
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Well believe it or not I actually agreed with some, but only some, of the policies that Corbyn put forward. I disagreed with the majority though. So I suppose you might say I believe in degrees of socialism?
I actually think you're a fool if you totally dismiss everything the 'other side' suggest just because you're so set in your ways that you can't see the wood for the trees. And there's plenty on here who are so one track and blinded by their agenda they do dismiss everything, even when it's a good idea. I use the term 'other side' for want of a better description.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Well believe it or not I actually agreed with some, but only some, of the policies that Corbyn put forward. I disagreed with the majority though. So I suppose you might say I believe in degrees of socialism?
I actually think you're a fool if you totally dismiss everything the 'other side' suggest just because you're so set in your ways that you can't see the wood for the trees. And there's plenty on here who are so one track and blinded by their agenda they do dismiss everything, even when it's a good idea. I use the term 'other side' for want of a better description.
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Yes, fair enough. I believed in some of what Corbyn was about but he would have made an awful PM. He is an agitator, not a leader. Alas, I honestly find it difficult to be even-handed with the way that the Tories have been over the past 12 years. It was right for them to accept and implement furlough during the pandemic. As in WW2 it showed that there is more to a planned economy than simply being a slavish follower of Socialist philosophers.
 
Wizaard said:
You still haven't clarified what you mean by fake socialists. I can only guess as you haven't explained. Then you take the huff.
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Take the huff? No I just exposed you for your one track agenda and hypocrisy.
I actually know several fake socialists. Middle class with nice houses, cars, clothes etc. Always banging
on about how socialist they are, how unfair everything is and what a great leader Corbyn was.
They certainly talk the talk but if it came down to the redistribution of wealth, particularly their own,
they'd shit themselves. They're fake socialists living a capitalist life.
And just a little reminder -
What part of 'utter shite' do you not understand?
What part of 'I do think it's time for a change' do you not understand?
 
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