Get a grip !!!

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johnnyb

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6 teams have the same or a worse record than us over the past 6 games. Do the fans suggesting MA should be sacked reckon they all should get the sack !!!

Yes we have lost 4 on the bounce and a couple of the performances were very poor but I can't believe the over-reaction by many on this board.

It wasn't that long ago most were saying how pleased they were with the style of football we were playing this season.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but expecting the Board of a football club to have the same short-termist views as fans is unbelievable !!
 
The performances for most of the season have been poor, so too the results, hence we’re in the relegation zone at this point. We’re conceding far far too many goals. Players who were very recently reliable look out of their depth. Some of the players Appleton brought in look poor additions. No youth or development players have played a minute of football despite an injury crisis. On top of this the fans don’t seem to have taken to him at all.

Targets for the season were to stay up, ideally improve on last season, improve the players at the club and put us in a strong position going forward.

He’s failing on all those fronts so far. Given the break and then chance for a manager to use the transfer market NOW is the logical time to at the very least strongly consider our options.

Personally… and I think most know this… I think he has to go. And I think it gives us every chance (although there’s no guarantees) to salvage the season and the project overall.
 
johnnyb said:
6 teams have the same or a worse record than us over the past 6 games. Do the fans suggesting MA should be sacked reckon they all should get the sack !!!

Yes we have lost 4 on the bounce and a couple of the performances were very poor but I can't believe the over-reaction by many on this board.

It wasn't that long ago most were saying how pleased they were with the style of football we were playing this season.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but expecting the Board of a football club to have the same short-termist views as fans is unbelievable !!
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Eight Championship managers have been sacked this season, some with better records than Appleton. Not saying he should be,just saying some owners are quicker to act than others.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
The performances for most of the season have been poor, so too the results, hence we’re in the relegation zone at this point. We’re conceding far far too many goals. Players who were very recently reliable look out of their depth. Some of the players Appleton brought in look poor additions. No youth or development players have played a minute of football despite an injury crisis. On top of this the fans don’t seem to have taken to him at all.

Targets for the season were to stay up, ideally improve on last season, improve the players at the club and put us in a strong position going forward.

He’s failing on all those fronts so far. Given the break and then chance for a manager to use the transfer market NOW is the logical time to at the very least strongly consider our options.

Personally… and I think most know this… I think he has to go. And I think it gives us every chance (although there’s no guarantees) to salvage the season and the project overall.
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Fully agree
 
LA1 Seasider said:
The performances for most of the season have been poor, so too the results, hence we’re in the relegation zone at this point. We’re conceding far far too many goals. Players who were very recently reliable look out of their depth. Some of the players Appleton brought in look poor additions. No youth or development players have played a minute of football despite an injury crisis. On top of this the fans don’t seem to have taken to him at all.

Targets for the season were to stay up, ideally improve on last season, improve the players at the club and put us in a strong position going forward.

He’s failing on all those fronts so far. Given the break and then chance for a manager to use the transfer market NOW is the logical time to at the very least strongly consider our options.

Personally… and I think most know this… I think he has to go. And I think it gives us every chance (although there’s no guarantees) to salvage the season and the project overall.
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So you actually think youth players would get us out of this mess?
 
20togo said:
Amazing to think that Critchley came here with the reputation for developing youth players but didn't actually give any of them a chance. Oh, unless you count Peterboro away last match.
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People are just looking for any reason at alll to bash the manager, it's quite pathetic

And yep you are correct Critchley didn't do much with our youth players unless you count sending them out on loan to non league teams
 
Philbfctrois said:
So you actually think youth players would get us out of this mess?
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No. But I think any manager has to have one eye on developing players. With all the missing players it’s madness that a youth or development team RB didn’t at least get a few minutes to prove themselves.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
No. But I think any manager has to have one eye on developing players. With all the missing players it’s madness that a youth or development team RB didn’t at least get a few minutes to prove themselves.
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Righto Jack Moore at right back in the Championship

Ffs ..
 
LA1 Seasider said:
As opposed to Grant Ward… the injury prone midfielder Appleton didn’t want to sign…

Yes. Definitely worth a few minutes here and there.
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I think you are missing the point

Again......

We are a Championship club neither Moore or Ward should be anywhere near playing right back in the Championship
 
Philbfctrois said:
I think you are missing the point

Again......

We are a Championship club neither Moore or Ward should be anywhere near playing right back in the Championship
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You and your cronies on here (or possibly your multiple usernames as I can’t believe more than one person is as stupid and narrow minded as you come across) don’t seem to be able to see in anything other than black and white. Suggesting giving a young RB some minutes of Championship football isn’t really such a mad idea in the midst of an injury crisis if the alternative is playing an injury prone midfielder out of position. Plenty of Championship and Premier League clubs blood their youngsters - if now isn’t the time then when is you tool. It’s not me saying the 18 year old will keep us up on his own. It’s me saying it’s an important aspect of the clubs future and now is as good a time as any to start giving them a chance to prove they’re good enough.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
No. But I think any manager has to have one eye on developing players. With all the missing players it’s madness that a youth or development team RB didn’t at least get a few minutes to prove themselves.
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Massive MASSIVE difference in giving youth a chance, bringing them on when a game is won or lost and basically, they can go out there and, can't believe I'm going to type this, express themselves as opposed to starting and being told specific things to do. That's how they develop.

Even Carey and Wright have not done well when starting, so what chance Moore!
 
For me Appleton is out of his depth he can’t deal with the pressure, he doesn’t know when to make changes, he can’t motivate players, he looks totally uninterested in what’s going on on the pitch.
I initially gave him a dozen games to win me over but he’s had 21 league games alone now so think about it that’s nearly half a season and we’re second bottom right now and things have gone from bad to worse at an alarming rate.

Keep him at our peril I say January just might be too late.
 
fcblackpool said:
Massive MASSIVE difference in giving youth a chance, bringing them on when a game is won or lost and basically, they can go out there and, can't believe I'm going to type this, express themselves as opposed to starting and being told specific things to do. That's how they develop.

Even Carey and Wright have not done well when starting, so what chance Moore!
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In normal circumstances I completely agree that’s the best way of doing it. But when you’re a club struggling and lack even 1 player in every position due to injuries you’ve got to consider getting them minutes on the pitch. Premier League youngsters aren’t joining Blabckpool to get minutes and express themselves. They’re learning the man’s game and what it means to play competitive football - even in an unsuccessful team. Why can’t our youngsters benefit from the same ??
 
LA1 Seasider said:
You and your cronies on here (or possibly your multiple usernames as I can’t believe more than one person is as stupid and narrow minded as you come across) don’t seem to be able to see in anything other than black and white. Suggesting giving a young RB some minutes of Championship football isn’t really such a mad idea in the midst of an injury crisis if the alternative is playing an injury prone midfielder out of position. Plenty of Championship and Premier League clubs blood their youngsters - if now isn’t the time then when is you tool. It’s not me saying the 18 year old will keep us up on his own. It’s me saying it’s an important aspect of the clubs future and now is as good a time as any to start giving them a chance to prove they’re good enough.
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No Jack Moore should 100 percent not be playing in the championship at right back over Callum Connolly. I doubt he would even get in a squad in league 1 to be honest.
 
Northstandsinger said:
No Jack Moore should 100 percent not be playing in the championship at right back over Callum Connolly. I doubt he would even get in a squad in league 1 to be honest.
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Literally no one has suggested playing him over Connolly. Over Grant Ward maybe. Deffiniteky 10-15 minutes of the game when the not RB playing at RB is having a mare, has been moved into midfield and the strikers, who’s been playing as a winger, is now playing RB…

Is that not the time FFS 🤦‍♂️
 
johnnyb said:
6 teams have the same or a worse record than us over the past 6 games. Do the fans suggesting MA should be sacked reckon they all should get the sack !!!

Yes we have lost 4 on the bounce and a couple of the performances were very poor but I can't believe the over-reaction by many on this board.

It wasn't that long ago most were saying how pleased they were with the style of football we were playing this season.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but expecting the Board of a football club to have the same short-termist views as fans is unbelievable !!
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So you’re quite happy to sleepwalk to League 1 then?

Without urgent managerial change that is exactly what will happen
 
LA1 Seasider said:
You and your cronies on here (or possibly your multiple usernames as I can’t believe more than one person is as stupid and narrow minded as you come across) don’t seem to be able to see in anything other than black and white. Suggesting giving a young RB some minutes of Championship football isn’t really such a mad idea in the midst of an injury crisis if the alternative is playing an injury prone midfielder out of position. Plenty of Championship and Premier League clubs blood their youngsters - if now isn’t the time then when is you tool. It’s not me saying the 18 year old will keep us up on his own. It’s me saying it’s an important aspect of the clubs future and now is as good a time as any to start giving them a chance to prove they’re good enough.
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I'm sure the youth coaches and analysts know more than you if they are good enough

The evidence currently is that they are a million miles away from Championship football
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
For me Appleton is out of his depth he can’t deal with the pressure, he doesn’t know when to make changes, he can’t motivate players, he looks totally uninterested in what’s going on on the pitch.
I initially gave him a dozen games to win me over but he’s had 21 league games alone now so think about it that’s nearly half a season and we’re second bottom right now and things have gone from bad to worse at an alarming rate.

Keep him at our peril I say January just might be too late.
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Who's your choice to replace him buddy?
 
Philbfctrois said:
I'm sure the youth coaches and analysts know more than you if they are good enough

The evidence currently is that they are a million miles away from Championship football
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Perhaps you’re right with that one. It is worrying not a single youth or development squad member has played a single minute of Championship football so far though. They must either all simply not be good enough if your logic is correct…or alternatively the manager may be an issue ?
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Perhaps you’re right with that one. It is worrying not a single youth or development squad member has played a single minute of Championship football so far though. They must either all simply not be good enough if your logic is correct…or alternatively the manager may be an issue ?
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They didn't get much time under Critchley either

Maybe just maybe playing against the Rochdale and Accrington kids is a world away from playing against proven Championship players

They aren't even playing in the top Academy leagues yet you want them in the Championship

Fcuking bizarre this board
 
Philbfctrois said:
People are just looking for any reason at alll to bash the manager, it's quite pathetic

And yep you are correct Critchley didn't do much with our youth players unless you count sending them out on loan to non league teams
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The brand of football is shite. With the entire squad or not. He is out of his depth at this level.
 
Voice of Reason said:
Who's your choice to replace him buddy?
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I’ve just replied on mosser’s thread about a new manager.
So I’am repeating myself.
Would be a complete waste of time naming anyone as whoever we want we won’t get either they won’t come or simply out of our league (financially)
How many wanted Appleton? How many on here predicted Appleton? And why the 4 year deal?
Mansford obviously is an expert on manager recruitment let’s leave it up to him again to come up trumps.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
In normal circumstances I completely agree that’s the best way of doing it. But when you’re a club struggling and lack even 1 player in every position due to injuries you’ve got to consider getting them minutes on the pitch. Premier League youngsters aren’t joining Blabckpool to get minutes and express themselves. They’re learning the man’s game and what it means to play competitive football - even in an unsuccessful team. Why can’t our youngsters benefit from the same ??
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Because they aren't as good. As sad as that is it's true.

You could seriously set a player back by pitching him in against half good players when he doesn't have the protection.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
A new manager might not play Gary Madine on his own upfront. Surely that’s worth a change?
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But Madine at times this season has been as good as he's ever been for us. More mobile and bringing players into play. The problem has been that Yates and Lavery et al has spent too much time chasing back covering the failings of the window.
 
johnnyb said:
6 teams have the same or a worse record than us over the past 6 games. Do the fans suggesting MA should be sacked reckon they all should get the sack !!!

Yes we have lost 4 on the bounce and a couple of the performances were very poor but I can't believe the over-reaction by many on this board.

It wasn't that long ago most were saying how pleased they were with the style of football we were playing this season.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but expecting the Board of a football club to have the same short-termist views as fans is unbelievable !!
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Take your blindfold off Johnny !
 
johnnyb said:
6 teams have the same or a worse record than us over the past 6 games. Do the fans suggesting MA should be sacked reckon they all should get the sack !!!

Yes we have lost 4 on the bounce and a couple of the performances were very poor but I can't believe the over-reaction by many on this board.

It wasn't that long ago most were saying how pleased they were with the style of football we were playing this season.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but expecting the Board of a football club to have the same short-termist views as fans is unbelievable !!
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I think you'll find though the majority of those clubs have got rid of their managers! We're sleepwalking in to relegation with old tattoo man!
 
Ghost_of_Max said:
I think you'll find though the majority of those clubs have got rid of their managers! We're sleepwalking in to relegation with old tattoo man!
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Some of those clubs got rid of their managers a few weeks ago and are still doing no better. Also included amongst the clubs were managers who had been in charge for a season or more - you could argue they have been given a fair chance, and a few were caretaker managers.

I just don’t think MA has been given a fair chance of succeeding…
 
I don't solely blame Michael Appleton for us being in the situation that we're in. One of my pet hates though, not only with MA, but a lot of our former managers, are when they put substitutes on.
Virtually every player we went for in the summer transfer window either got poached away for a better wage elsewhere, or suddenly had an improved offer at the 'proposed' selling club. I don't delve into what different clubs pay their players, but when reading this board, it tends to seem like we are still paying League One wages, or thereabouts. Also, if our mindset is only to survive, we could easily fall victim to second season syndrome. I really think the last thing we need at this stage is a new manager when we are in such a precarious position in the table.
🧡UTMP🧡
 
LA1 Seasider said:
The performances for most of the season have been poor, so too the results, hence we’re in the relegation zone at this point. We’re conceding far far too many goals. Players who were very recently reliable look out of their depth. Some of the players Appleton brought in look poor additions. No youth or development players have played a minute of football despite an injury crisis. On top of this the fans don’t seem to have taken to him at all.

Targets for the season were to stay up, ideally improve on last season, improve the players at the club and put us in a strong position going forward.

He’s failing on all those fronts so far. Given the break and then chance for a manager to use the transfer market NOW is the logical time to at the very least strongly consider our options.

Personally… and I think most know this… I think he has to go. And I think it gives us every chance (although there’s no guarantees) to salvage the season and the project overall.
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Well argued, as per. However, some of the problems this season have not been of Appleton's doing. When we won at QPR I was as high as a kite because I could see how Patino and Fiorini could work well in a mobile midfield. Then, as we know, we lost Fiorini for the rest of the season to date. Also, the team were - until recently - dogged in recovering matches that were going away from them: Burnley and Sheffield Utd. Then we were hit by multiple injuries and disputable sendings off. This made the squad badly prepared for the flu season which has trashed our performances of late.

I agree that our defence has been poor and that Marv's development seems to have regressed. I also believe there is something in Appleton's man-management approach that is causing friction with some players. However, with this welcome, extended break we have a chance to regroup and go again. That must be the first consideration before sharpening the knives. Give the Club a chance to use this opportunity rather than having to start from scratch.
 
Philbfctrois said:
They didn't get much time under Critchley either

Maybe just maybe playing against the Rochdale and Accrington kids is a world away from playing against proven Championship players

They aren't even playing in the top Academy leagues yet you want them in the Championship

Fcuking bizarre this board
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Again, you and LA1 both have a point. If we're going to have a development squad then it should be with the intention of progressing them to the first team. But you make a fair point in saying that they're not good enough to throw in to a relegation battle. Perhaps the luxury of a development squad belongs to the likes of Burnley who can afford to Blood youngsters without causing harm to the club's position (parachute payments and all that).

If not to develop for our own first team then maybe it's a case of developing players to loan out then sell at a profit. I that is the case I wonder if we have the resources to operate that way.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
In normal circumstances I completely agree that’s the best way of doing it. But when you’re a club struggling and lack even 1 player in every position due to injuries you’ve got to consider getting them minutes on the pitch. Premier League youngsters aren’t joining Blabckpool to get minutes and express themselves. They’re learning the man’s game and what it means to play competitive football - even in an unsuccessful team. Why can’t our youngsters benefit from the same ??
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Mostly they're not old enough and not as far advanced, partly an Oyston legacy, and the ones that you might make a case for don't cover the positions we're short in.

Typically, we're borrowing players who're 20/21 and have at least some previous league experience, our best youngsters are currently playing at National League level or lower, and most of them are 18/19 and don't even have that behind them (Jack Moore for example).

It's a professional setup, they'll know if the players are good enough, and if they're not playing even in an injury crisis, then the answer is they're not good enough.
 
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